Deegan bike claimed? Everyone, please stop now

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8/14/2022 6:56am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 6:57am
Man. What a mess. I’m sure it’s a gentleman’s agreement between factories about the claiming rule, but you have to know this will happen at some point from an outsider. Bad form on Walker and the rest of them on the kid getting a dream bike. Pretty apparent when even Matthes couldn’t get on the Star deal awhile back how sweet the bike is. Ping tested it said it’s the most awesome bike ever. We all see it every Saturday how fast they are. They should’ve said look kid, this is a big deal. Come down to our place, we will make you factory rider for a day, week whatever. We will put you up, give you a tour of the shop, and you can thrash the bike for a week. At the next national he should get to claim the bike of his choice from Star. Can you imagine the fun that convo will be at Star. Look boys, this kid is going to get one of our bikes, you guys are all on stockers this weekend!!!!
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Man. What a mess. I’m sure it’s a gentleman’s agreement between factories about the claiming rule, but you have to know this will happen at some...
Man. What a mess. I’m sure it’s a gentleman’s agreement between factories about the claiming rule, but you have to know this will happen at some point from an outsider. Bad form on Walker and the rest of them on the kid getting a dream bike. Pretty apparent when even Matthes couldn’t get on the Star deal awhile back how sweet the bike is. Ping tested it said it’s the most awesome bike ever. We all see it every Saturday how fast they are. They should’ve said look kid, this is a big deal. Come down to our place, we will make you factory rider for a day, week whatever. We will put you up, give you a tour of the shop, and you can thrash the bike for a week. At the next national he should get to claim the bike of his choice from Star. Can you imagine the fun that convo will be at Star. Look boys, this kid is going to get one of our bikes, you guys are all on stockers this weekend!!!!
Thought the same thing about them giving him JCoops bike from Dilla in exchange. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?
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Thats an excellent point about his initial reaction, he could have (should have?) gone in the direction you illustrated. That would have been pretty cool. But...
Thats an excellent point about his initial reaction, he could have (should have?) gone in the direction you illustrated. That would have been pretty cool. But he didnt. He went into "protection mode" because frankly it surprised him and wasn't expecting it. Brennen said Brian even indicated he didnt know about the rule. I could give a shit about Deegan, just another lunatic mini bike dad. They were around when I was racing in the 1970s. My disgust is for people like cotter, DC, the ama guy who should come forward and make a statement on what occurred in that "meeting" and maybe star yamaha, and yamaha usa. Its a pathetic situation.
I dont for a second believe Brian didnt know the rule.
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8/14/2022 7:30am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 8:35am
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Despite the MxSports hate, I actually think they may be cleaner in this than originally thought. Cotter may or may not have leaned on the kid...
Despite the MxSports hate, I actually think they may be cleaner in this than originally thought.

Cotter may or may not have leaned on the kid with Brian. That’s 100% possible and if so, unacceptable.

From there on out, MxSports did have the motor tagged and taped and bike guarded 24/7 until the kid came back. Unless someone from MxSports was coordinating the intimidation plan behind the scenes, I’m not sure how they could have been involved overtly with someone else involving Yamaha and it spiraling from there.

They (even if it was begrudgingly) take the bike in and secure it. Time passes and someone who doesn’t work for MxSports gets Yamaha corporate involved, and here we are.

Again, not giving MxSports a pass at all here, just listing some sterile facts amongst themselves. While they made missteps, they weren’t the one violating antitrust laws.
Yep. From the sounds of the DC article, it does sound like Cotter’s version of the story. He needed to figure out chain of custody of the bike. Thus the meeting.

Tho I would expect DC to run cover for Cotter.

And this account of things doesnt jive entirely with Brennan’s account. Truth probably somewhere in the middle.

Star’s official story is that the bike was indeed “special” so that is pretty much cleared up. I really dont care about their reasoning (“we dont want people to know our vendors”). They got caught in the cookie jar.

At this stage I would like to know Yamaha’s role. This Donnie/Matt Walker part is where it seems to get ugliest imo.
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8/14/2022 7:34am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 8:36am
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Yeah sure. Brian stepping away idea would be great. Signed, Izzy’s dad, Stroupe’s parents, and every other moto dad that regrets letting their son fall under...
Yeah sure. Brian stepping away idea would be great.

Signed,
Izzy’s dad, Stroupe’s parents, and every other moto dad that regrets letting their son fall under the complete supervision of the very treacherous moto industry.

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If the accusations are true, I’ll agree Brian is a fraud and really fucked up. But in no way should he step away from his KID this early. There’s way too many pitfalls still to come that DAD needs to be there to protect him from. And as good of an environment as Star is, I still wouldn’t recommend Brian step aside and let them finish raising his boy.
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Countless number of riders have let their parents back away from the racing day to day and been perfectly fine in their careers. He doesn't have...
Countless number of riders have let their parents back away from the racing day to day and been perfectly fine in their careers. He doesn't have to stop being his dad completely, you took that way out of context and used other racers that had plenty of other problems in their lives. He needs to stop being "moto-mini dad". There's a difference. Good grief.
As soon as Haiden turns pro, he doesn’t need ‘dad’ at the races anymore. He’ll need ‘dad’ at home, for sure. But ‘dad’ doesn’t belong in...
As soon as Haiden turns pro, he doesn’t need ‘dad’ at the races anymore.

He’ll need ‘dad’ at home, for sure.

But ‘dad’ doesn’t belong in a professional environment.

Edit: this by no way means that Brian shouldn’t attend the races. It just means that he’s not there to ‘dad’ him, like he would be away from the workplace.
I strongly disagree. Haiden wont become an adult just because he's a pro. And he will not become an adult at a normal age, pro athletes almost all suffer from arrested development.

I trust the Dungey approach far more than the “throw him out there and let him figure it out” method. Dungey’s mom gripped tightly, it constantly pissed off those in and around the teams. But so fucking what, it got the desired result.

Moto as a whole is not a good place for young men + money + fame. It’s way too easy for these kids to get derailed.
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Honestly, coming from a big Deegan fan, the whole situation for all those involved is a total mess.

It is just scandalous, a lack of sportmanship to never see again, and there should be a way to make it less smelly.

I sincerely hope that star and yamaha are already preparing him 1 or a couple bikes for next season to kinda say sorry this went way out of proportion, "we were just scared any team could know which suppliers we have and we were afraid to lose 10 years of r&d", all while the deegan's are preparing to make it look good on a video, including a few people from star and yamaha.

Otherwise, here, right there, is something that can get some good hate on yami and star for a long time, and it is not the first time they are controversial (i.e. mcelrath/sexton). It can also somewhat tarnish Haiden's reputation and bring a good amount of haters for his whole pro career before even starting it. Heck, anything outside the top 5 now in pro and many people will start to say "yeah, it is because he had a factory bike in amateurs blabla", while Haiden is actually really talented and very well be the next Jett, particularly in sx.

It would sucks to see another storyline like alessi, where for instance many were just laughing when mike was getting cutted in 2 pieces by rv, while actually they have all the tools to make him likeable and the fan favorite...

Anyway, although the whole fiasco will never be forgotten and forgiven, let us just hope something somewhat right is getting prepared.
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Honestly, coming from a big Deegan fan, the whole situation for all those involved is a total mess. It is just scandalous, a lack of sportmanship...

Honestly, coming from a big Deegan fan, the whole situation for all those involved is a total mess.

It is just scandalous, a lack of sportmanship to never see again, and there should be a way to make it less smelly.

I sincerely hope that star and yamaha are already preparing him 1 or a couple bikes for next season to kinda say sorry this went way out of proportion, "we were just scared any team could know which suppliers we have and we were afraid to lose 10 years of r&d", all while the deegan's are preparing to make it look good on a video, including a few people from star and yamaha.

Otherwise, here, right there, is something that can get some good hate on yami and star for a long time, and it is not the first time they are controversial (i.e. mcelrath/sexton). It can also somewhat tarnish Haiden's reputation and bring a good amount of haters for his whole pro career before even starting it. Heck, anything outside the top 5 now in pro and many people will start to say "yeah, it is because he had a factory bike in amateurs blabla", while Haiden is actually really talented and very well be the next Jett, particularly in sx.

It would sucks to see another storyline like alessi, where for instance many were just laughing when mike was getting cutted in 2 pieces by rv, while actually they have all the tools to make him likeable and the fan favorite...

Anyway, although the whole fiasco will never be forgotten and forgiven, let us just hope something somewhat right is getting prepared.
Yep, the Alessi hate was a shame. Because Mike is quite likeable in person. And their family was doing what families should do. They just did it better than the rest.

Dont hold your breath waiting for a good will gesture from the Deegans in all of this. The opportunity to spin this in that manner sailed. Most notably because it was never an option - because Haiden & Brennan got history, a fact that has been glossed over.

I would also imagine that Yamaha gifting the kid some bikes is going to only make them look guiltier. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when that idea is proposed to the Japanese. I think someone earlier mentioned “scorched earth” LOL.
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Somebody mentioned possibly a illegal transmission what is the transmission rule for amateurs these days?
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NSP139 wrote:
Somebody mentioned possibly a illegal transmission what is the transmission rule for amateurs these days?
I posted it in another thread.

3. Transmission

a. All motorcycles must be fitted with a transmission as catalogued and sold by the manufacturer of the motorcycle in question.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Despite the MxSports hate, I actually think they may be cleaner in this than originally thought. Cotter may or may not have leaned on the kid...
Despite the MxSports hate, I actually think they may be cleaner in this than originally thought.

Cotter may or may not have leaned on the kid with Brian. That’s 100% possible and if so, unacceptable.

From there on out, MxSports did have the motor tagged and taped and bike guarded 24/7 until the kid came back. Unless someone from MxSports was coordinating the intimidation plan behind the scenes, I’m not sure how they could have been involved overtly with someone else involving Yamaha and it spiraling from there.

They (even if it was begrudgingly) take the bike in and secure it. Time passes and someone who doesn’t work for MxSports gets Yamaha corporate involved, and here we are.

Again, not giving MxSports a pass at all here, just listing some sterile facts amongst themselves. While they made missteps, they weren’t the one violating antitrust laws.
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Yep. From the sounds of the DC article, it does sound like Cotter’s version of the story. He needed to figure out chain of custody of...
Yep. From the sounds of the DC article, it does sound like Cotter’s version of the story. He needed to figure out chain of custody of the bike. Thus the meeting.

Tho I would expect DC to run cover for Cotter.

And this account of things doesnt jive entirely with Brennan’s account. Truth probably somewhere in the middle.

Star’s official story is that the bike was indeed “special” so that is pretty much cleared up. I really dont care about their reasoning (“we dont want people to know our vendors”). They got caught in the cookie jar.

At this stage I would like to know Yamaha’s role. This Donnie/Matt Walker part is where it seems to get ugliest imo.
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
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NSP139 wrote:
Somebody mentioned possibly a illegal transmission what is the transmission rule for amateurs these days?
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I posted it in another thread. [Quote][b]3. Transmission[/b] a. All motorcycles must be fitted with a transmission as catalogued and sold by the manufacturer of the...
I posted it in another thread.

3. Transmission

a. All motorcycles must be fitted with a transmission as catalogued and sold by the manufacturer of the motorcycle in question.
Thank you so the tranny gears can still be tumbled just ratios can't be changed or gears removed just like in the past appreciate your reply👍
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MxKing809 wrote:
Agreed 100% with you on this part. We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off...
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
You're right, it is irrelevant, unless he is caught lying about it.

Because then I question how the Donnie/Walker meeting went down. Because that is the core incident in who/when/why the claim was dropped.
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8/14/2022 9:20am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 9:24am
MxKing809 wrote:
Agreed 100% with you on this part. We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off...
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
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You're right, it is irrelevant, unless he is caught lying about it. Because then I question how the Donnie/Walker meeting went down. Because that is the...
You're right, it is irrelevant, unless he is caught lying about it.

Because then I question how the Donnie/Walker meeting went down. Because that is the core incident in who/when/why the claim was dropped.
Right…..

The KIDS story may be called into question…but doesn’t change who called who.

His story has always been conjecture by nature. His supposition is that external pressures were placed on his dealer, and he’s surmising the chain of communication. That has always been speculation on his part. I doubt that the dealer told him that person X called person Y, who called their counterpart person Z…. He just said, buddy I’m getting heat over here and it’s from the top.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Agreed 100% with you on this part. We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off...
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
Sore Loser wrote:
You're right, it is irrelevant, unless he is caught lying about it. Because then I question how the Donnie/Walker meeting went down. Because that is the...
You're right, it is irrelevant, unless he is caught lying about it.

Because then I question how the Donnie/Walker meeting went down. Because that is the core incident in who/when/why the claim was dropped.
Still irrelevant even if he was caught lying about it.
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8/14/2022 9:32am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 9:32am
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These factory amateur kids would be more impressive if they were winning on $17k builds.
1000% - I believe this is Payton's approach. PC puts them on a bike that is good but not factory - letting their riding skills do the talking.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Despite the MxSports hate, I actually think they may be cleaner in this than originally thought. Cotter may or may not have leaned on the kid...
Despite the MxSports hate, I actually think they may be cleaner in this than originally thought.

Cotter may or may not have leaned on the kid with Brian. That’s 100% possible and if so, unacceptable.

From there on out, MxSports did have the motor tagged and taped and bike guarded 24/7 until the kid came back. Unless someone from MxSports was coordinating the intimidation plan behind the scenes, I’m not sure how they could have been involved overtly with someone else involving Yamaha and it spiraling from there.

They (even if it was begrudgingly) take the bike in and secure it. Time passes and someone who doesn’t work for MxSports gets Yamaha corporate involved, and here we are.

Again, not giving MxSports a pass at all here, just listing some sterile facts amongst themselves. While they made missteps, they weren’t the one violating antitrust laws.
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Yep. From the sounds of the DC article, it does sound like Cotter’s version of the story. He needed to figure out chain of custody of...
Yep. From the sounds of the DC article, it does sound like Cotter’s version of the story. He needed to figure out chain of custody of the bike. Thus the meeting.

Tho I would expect DC to run cover for Cotter.

And this account of things doesnt jive entirely with Brennan’s account. Truth probably somewhere in the middle.

Star’s official story is that the bike was indeed “special” so that is pretty much cleared up. I really dont care about their reasoning (“we dont want people to know our vendors”). They got caught in the cookie jar.

At this stage I would like to know Yamaha’s role. This Donnie/Matt Walker part is where it seems to get ugliest imo.
MxKing809 wrote:
Agreed 100% with you on this part. We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off...
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
If cotter allowed Brian Deagan to be in that meeting with the kid to discuss the claim, (a fact corroborated by DC's racerhead #32 story) I would say Bad Cop.
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Yep. From the sounds of the DC article, it does sound like Cotter’s version of the story. He needed to figure out chain of custody of...
Yep. From the sounds of the DC article, it does sound like Cotter’s version of the story. He needed to figure out chain of custody of the bike. Thus the meeting.

Tho I would expect DC to run cover for Cotter.

And this account of things doesnt jive entirely with Brennan’s account. Truth probably somewhere in the middle.

Star’s official story is that the bike was indeed “special” so that is pretty much cleared up. I really dont care about their reasoning (“we dont want people to know our vendors”). They got caught in the cookie jar.

At this stage I would like to know Yamaha’s role. This Donnie/Matt Walker part is where it seems to get ugliest imo.
MxKing809 wrote:
Agreed 100% with you on this part. We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off...
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
ctbale wrote:
If cotter allowed Brian Deagan to be in that meeting with the kid to discuss the claim, (a fact corroborated by DC's racerhead #32 story) I...
If cotter allowed Brian Deagan to be in that meeting with the kid to discuss the claim, (a fact corroborated by DC's racerhead #32 story) I would say Bad Cop.
The only parties that should need to be talking are the one making the claim, and an official. Two.
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early wrote:
These factory amateur kids would be more impressive if they were winning on $17k builds.
1000% - I believe this is Payton's approach. PC puts them on a bike that is good but not factory - letting their riding skills do...
1000% - I believe this is Payton's approach. PC puts them on a bike that is good but not factory - letting their riding skills do the talking.
when someone claimed Villopotos bike the guy got it but when he called procircuit to get parts for it he was yelled at told to never call here again and hung up up .Also pulp show they talked about another time someone tried to claim one of Mitch’s bikes and Kawasaki went around to parents they knew put a counter claim in so the kid wouldn’t win . One of the parents that helped Kawasaki was Jason Lawrence grandpa they said
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early wrote:
These factory amateur kids would be more impressive if they were winning on $17k builds.
1000% - I believe this is Payton's approach. PC puts them on a bike that is good but not factory - letting their riding skills do...
1000% - I believe this is Payton's approach. PC puts them on a bike that is good but not factory - letting their riding skills do the talking.
when someone claimed Villopotos bike the guy got it but when he called procircuit to get parts for it he was yelled at told to never...
when someone claimed Villopotos bike the guy got it but when he called procircuit to get parts for it he was yelled at told to never call here again and hung up up .Also pulp show they talked about another time someone tried to claim one of Mitch’s bikes and Kawasaki went around to parents they knew put a counter claim in so the kid wouldn’t win . One of the parents that helped Kawasaki was Jason Lawrence grandpa they said
I think thats how the factorys used to discourage claims. 2 methods actually. One was they pooled up the money ($2500 wanna say in my day) and after the "bad guy" made the claim they put in as many separate claims as they could per the rule. (30 min window, rider had to be in that race etc etc). So if there were like 10 total claims, since it would be decided by drawing straws, the "bad guy" would only have a 10% chance, AND he would be supposedly black balled. That was the second method. I guess they never thought if dragging the "bad guy" into a trailer with a tatted up criminal! (Sorry, couldnt resist)
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If the rule is "safe" for the high end teams because the unwritten rule is that a rider is blacklisted for executing it, then get rid of the rule.
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couldnt his bike get claimed at the pro am events this weekend at unadilla or next weekend at budds creek as well ?
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Countless number of riders have let their parents back away from the racing day to day and been perfectly fine in their careers. He doesn't have...
Countless number of riders have let their parents back away from the racing day to day and been perfectly fine in their careers. He doesn't have to stop being his dad completely, you took that way out of context and used other racers that had plenty of other problems in their lives. He needs to stop being "moto-mini dad". There's a difference. Good grief.
As soon as Haiden turns pro, he doesn’t need ‘dad’ at the races anymore. He’ll need ‘dad’ at home, for sure. But ‘dad’ doesn’t belong in...
As soon as Haiden turns pro, he doesn’t need ‘dad’ at the races anymore.

He’ll need ‘dad’ at home, for sure.

But ‘dad’ doesn’t belong in a professional environment.

Edit: this by no way means that Brian shouldn’t attend the races. It just means that he’s not there to ‘dad’ him, like he would be away from the workplace.
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I strongly disagree. Haiden wont become an adult just because he's a pro. And he will not become an adult at a normal age, pro athletes...
I strongly disagree. Haiden wont become an adult just because he's a pro. And he will not become an adult at a normal age, pro athletes almost all suffer from arrested development.

I trust the Dungey approach far more than the “throw him out there and let him figure it out” method. Dungey’s mom gripped tightly, it constantly pissed off those in and around the teams. But so fucking what, it got the desired result.

Moto as a whole is not a good place for young men + money + fame. It’s way too easy for these kids to get derailed.
I said nothing about him suddenly becoming an adult when he turns pro.

Did your dad accompany you to your first day at work? Or any day at work?

(Assuminlg your job wasn’t a family gig..)
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couldnt his bike get claimed at the pro am events this weekend at unadilla or next weekend at budds creek as well ?
Star won’t be that silly- they nearly got stung once already. There will be a ‘stock’ (ish) motor in that bike until he turns pro now.
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gavin102 wrote:
couldnt his bike get claimed at the pro am events this weekend at unadilla or next weekend at budds creek as well ?
It can get claimed at any AMA sanctioned event.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Agreed 100% with you on this part. We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off...
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
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If cotter allowed Brian Deagan to be in that meeting with the kid to discuss the claim, (a fact corroborated by DC's racerhead #32 story) I...
If cotter allowed Brian Deagan to be in that meeting with the kid to discuss the claim, (a fact corroborated by DC's racerhead #32 story) I would say Bad Cop.
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The only parties that should need to be talking are the one making the claim, and an official. Two.
I feel this is largest "story" in all of this. The kid and his dad (because he is a minor) and the AMA should have been the only ones discussing the claim itself. Deegan doesn't own the bike, so how in the hell he was involved like this makes zero sense....and Cotter is the promotor, but also got involved when it should have been the AMA.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Agreed 100% with you on this part. We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off...
Agreed 100% with you on this part.

We disagree on the kids funding and motivations being related to this at all, and I’m not signing off of Cotter being good cop while Brian was bad copping.
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You're right, it is irrelevant, unless he is caught lying about it. Because then I question how the Donnie/Walker meeting went down. Because that is the...
You're right, it is irrelevant, unless he is caught lying about it.

Because then I question how the Donnie/Walker meeting went down. Because that is the core incident in who/when/why the claim was dropped.
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Right….. The KIDS story may be called into question…but doesn’t change who called who. His story has always been conjecture by nature. His supposition is that...
Right…..

The KIDS story may be called into question…but doesn’t change who called who.

His story has always been conjecture by nature. His supposition is that external pressures were placed on his dealer, and he’s surmising the chain of communication. That has always been speculation on his part. I doubt that the dealer told him that person X called person Y, who called their counterpart person Z…. He just said, buddy I’m getting heat over here and it’s from the top.
That's if the dealer actually ever spoke to Brennan. His account is that the dealer was talking to Matt Walker. Which may or may not be true.

How do we know it wasnt Matt Walker whom was making the threat on behalf of Yamaha, without ANY direction from Yamaha. Wouldnt that absolve Yamaha in all of this? Or have the mob already sold their blue bikes in protest?

The most critical junction in all of this is that meeting. It didnt have Star involved or Deegan or Cotter. Possibly not even Brennan's dad. And it's this meeting we know the least about.
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when someone claimed Villopotos bike the guy got it but when he called procircuit to get parts for it he was yelled at told to never...
when someone claimed Villopotos bike the guy got it but when he called procircuit to get parts for it he was yelled at told to never call here again and hung up up .Also pulp show they talked about another time someone tried to claim one of Mitch’s bikes and Kawasaki went around to parents they knew put a counter claim in so the kid wouldn’t win . One of the parents that helped Kawasaki was Jason Lawrence grandpa they said
And people think Im crazy for pointing out the fact that claiming is taboo in this sport.
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8/14/2022 12:39pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 12:42pm
As soon as Haiden turns pro, he doesn’t need ‘dad’ at the races anymore. He’ll need ‘dad’ at home, for sure. But ‘dad’ doesn’t belong in...
As soon as Haiden turns pro, he doesn’t need ‘dad’ at the races anymore.

He’ll need ‘dad’ at home, for sure.

But ‘dad’ doesn’t belong in a professional environment.

Edit: this by no way means that Brian shouldn’t attend the races. It just means that he’s not there to ‘dad’ him, like he would be away from the workplace.
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I strongly disagree. Haiden wont become an adult just because he's a pro. And he will not become an adult at a normal age, pro athletes...
I strongly disagree. Haiden wont become an adult just because he's a pro. And he will not become an adult at a normal age, pro athletes almost all suffer from arrested development.

I trust the Dungey approach far more than the “throw him out there and let him figure it out” method. Dungey’s mom gripped tightly, it constantly pissed off those in and around the teams. But so fucking what, it got the desired result.

Moto as a whole is not a good place for young men + money + fame. It’s way too easy for these kids to get derailed.
I said nothing about him suddenly becoming an adult when he turns pro. Did your dad accompany you to your first day at work? Or any...
I said nothing about him suddenly becoming an adult when he turns pro.

Did your dad accompany you to your first day at work? Or any day at work?

(Assuminlg your job wasn’t a family gig..)
I started working at 12. My first real job I was 16. Nobody needed to accompany me because of a few major differences.

I wasnt raised in a bubble. At 16 I was probably closer to 26 in maturity.

I wasnt famous. There wasnt going to be massive amounts of negative influences trying to get me to go party with them.

My parents hadnt invested 100's of thousands into my career as a busboy. There was nothing at stake if I lost my job.

Everything is amplified and the margins for error smaller in the case of Haiden Deegan than your average kid.


Everyone criticized Tony Alessi. Everyone tried to convince Mike to ditch his dad. Fast forward to today, and Mike has a beautiful family. Has a great relationship with his own father. And appears to be on his way to being a decent dad himself. You think Tony or Mike for one second regret the path they chose? You think they should have listened to Motodrive on the matter? In the grand scheme of things, Mike Alessi is a champion in the eyes of God and that is all that matters when we realize that our trophies are trivial compared to a strong marriage and healthy kids.
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8/14/2022 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 12:55pm
I feel this is largest "story" in all of this. The kid and his dad (because he is a minor) and the AMA should have been...
I feel this is largest "story" in all of this. The kid and his dad (because he is a minor) and the AMA should have been the only ones discussing the claim itself. Deegan doesn't own the bike, so how in the hell he was involved like this makes zero sense....and Cotter is the promotor, but also got involved when it should have been the AMA.
Which is why Im asking the questions I am.

Because if Deegan was allowed in that meeting per rules of the custody exchange, that changes things. And if Cotter was asked to handle the situation by the AMA, that changes things also, especially if that was the protocol.

Both policies need serious amending.

And if the dad purposefully wanted his son to go thru the fire alone to learn some sort of life lesson, that also greatly changes the optics of all this. Im still blown away at how little it appears the dad was involved.
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