Deegan bike claimed? Everyone, please stop now

olds cool wrote:

The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to...

The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to the AMA official. The rest, to me, is inconsequential.

SlowOldGuy wrote:

That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I...

That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I was also there right after the kid brought the protest up and the reason the kid was in the room without his father is because his father wasn’t there. Derek Harris wanted in the room but was not allowed because he was not the parent or guardian. That is absolutely positively firsthand because I was in the room

olds cool wrote:

The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to...

The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to the AMA official. The rest, to me, is inconsequential.

SlowOldGuy wrote:

That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I...

That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I was also there right after the kid brought the protest up and the reason the kid was in the room without his father is because his father wasn’t there. Derek Harris wanted in the room but was not allowed because he was not the parent or guardian. That is absolutely positively firsthand because I was in the room

MxKing809 wrote:

Was or wasn’t a Yamaha dealership’s renewal with the brand threatened to be pulled if the dealer supported rider went through with the claim?

SlowOldGuy wrote:

That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I...

That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I was also there right after the kid brought the protest up and the reason the kid was in the room without his father is because his father wasn’t there. Derek Harris wanted in the room but was not allowed because he was not the parent or guardian. That is absolutely positively firsthand because I was in the room

MxKing809 wrote:

Was or wasn’t a Yamaha dealership’s renewal with the brand threatened to be pulled if the dealer supported rider went through with the claim?

DonM wrote:

Is the alleged dealership in Canada?

MxKing809 wrote:

Was or wasn’t a Yamaha dealership’s renewal with the brand threatened to be pulled if the dealer supported rider went through with the claim?

DonM wrote:

Is the alleged dealership in Canada?

swordfish wrote:

Yep. I was there last week.
https://www.rallyemotoplex.ca/

DonM wrote:

Is the alleged dealership in Canada?

swordfish wrote:

Yep. I was there last week.
https://www.rallyemotoplex.ca/

DonM wrote:

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha...

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha Canada umbrella and not under Yamaha USA who would have been the personnel at LL

DonM wrote:

Is the alleged dealership in Canada?

swordfish wrote:

Yep. I was there last week.
https://www.rallyemotoplex.ca/

DonM wrote:

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha...

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha Canada umbrella and not under Yamaha USA who would have been the personnel at LL

swordfish wrote:

Yep. I was there last week.
https://www.rallyemotoplex.ca/

DonM wrote:

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha...

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha Canada umbrella and not under Yamaha USA who would have been the personnel at LL

swordfish wrote:

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamaha US might have some kind of influence on Yamaha Canada. Not claiming it’s the case, but it’s not...

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamaha US might have some kind of influence on Yamaha Canada. Not claiming it’s the case, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

UpTiTe wrote:

I could buy 1 and 2 because of something I was told. I was told that he has been on a full factory bike for a...

I could buy 1 and 2 because of something I was told. I was told that he has been on a full factory bike for a couple weeks to help him build up his strength and stamina for when he does turn.

He explained that there is a leap power wise between a Star factory bike and a Star amateur bike and it takes more strength to ride the factory bike and they are trying to build it.

DonM wrote:

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha...

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha Canada umbrella and not under Yamaha USA who would have been the personnel at LL

gt80rider wrote:

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be...

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL

Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be there as they had american reps on the ground...

That would not keep Yamaha USA from harassing the kid about the claim... doesn't keep them from offering the kid deals to go back on his claim... and with the actual dealer on the ground at Lorettas... it does not keep the Yamaha USA rep from walking up to said dealer and saying "I'll make one call and your yamaha contract is gone!".......

but... you jump to conclusions, like a 12 yr old would.... "that pretty much puts it to bed"... LMAO....

DonM wrote:

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha...

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha Canada umbrella and not under Yamaha USA who would have been the personnel at LL

gt80rider wrote:

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be...

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL

Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be there as they had american reps on the ground...

That would not keep Yamaha USA from harassing the kid about the claim... doesn't keep them from offering the kid deals to go back on his claim... and with the actual dealer on the ground at Lorettas... it does not keep the Yamaha USA rep from walking up to said dealer and saying "I'll make one call and your yamaha contract is gone!".......

but... you jump to conclusions, like a 12 yr old would.... "that pretty much puts it to bed"... LMAO....

DonM wrote:

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha...

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha Canada umbrella and not under Yamaha USA who would have been the personnel at LL

swordfish wrote:

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamaha US might have some kind of influence on Yamaha Canada. Not claiming it’s the case, but it’s not...

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamaha US might have some kind of influence on Yamaha Canada. Not claiming it’s the case, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

DonM wrote:

Yeah I'm going to call BS on the rumor that their dealership was threatened....

DonM wrote:

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha...

Ok well than that pretty much puts to bed the rumor of Yam threatening to take their franchise away as they would fall under the Yamaha Canada umbrella and not under Yamaha USA who would have been the personnel at LL

swordfish wrote:

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamaha US might have some kind of influence on Yamaha Canada. Not claiming it’s the case, but it’s not...

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Yamaha US might have some kind of influence on Yamaha Canada. Not claiming it’s the case, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

DonM wrote:

Yeah I'm going to call BS on the rumor that their dealership was threatened....

gt80rider wrote:

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be...

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL

Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be there as they had american reps on the ground...

That would not keep Yamaha USA from harassing the kid about the claim... doesn't keep them from offering the kid deals to go back on his claim... and with the actual dealer on the ground at Lorettas... it does not keep the Yamaha USA rep from walking up to said dealer and saying "I'll make one call and your yamaha contract is gone!".......

but... you jump to conclusions, like a 12 yr old would.... "that pretty much puts it to bed"... LMAO....

LungButter wrote:

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ? You really don't think that would...

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ?

You really don't think that would lead to a huge legal battle?

A quick check of the link Swordfish posted makes it appear this is a huge, full line Yamaha dealer...something tells me it'd take more than "one call" to make that go away.

gt80rider wrote:

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be...

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL

Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be there as they had american reps on the ground...

That would not keep Yamaha USA from harassing the kid about the claim... doesn't keep them from offering the kid deals to go back on his claim... and with the actual dealer on the ground at Lorettas... it does not keep the Yamaha USA rep from walking up to said dealer and saying "I'll make one call and your yamaha contract is gone!".......

but... you jump to conclusions, like a 12 yr old would.... "that pretty much puts it to bed"... LMAO....

LungButter wrote:

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ? You really don't think that would...

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ?

You really don't think that would lead to a huge legal battle?

A quick check of the link Swordfish posted makes it appear this is a huge, full line Yamaha dealer...something tells me it'd take more than "one call" to make that go away.

swordfish wrote:

Maybe you are right, but as I mentioned I know of at least a couple times a franchise has been pulled over personality conflicts or disagreements...

Maybe you are right, but as I mentioned I know of at least a couple times a franchise has been pulled over personality conflicts or disagreements.
Motoplex is a big operation, they have deep pockets. Ducati, Triumph, Suzuki, BMW, Polaris, Indian.

gt80rider wrote:

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be...

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL

Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be there as they had american reps on the ground...

That would not keep Yamaha USA from harassing the kid about the claim... doesn't keep them from offering the kid deals to go back on his claim... and with the actual dealer on the ground at Lorettas... it does not keep the Yamaha USA rep from walking up to said dealer and saying "I'll make one call and your yamaha contract is gone!".......

but... you jump to conclusions, like a 12 yr old would.... "that pretty much puts it to bed"... LMAO....

LungButter wrote:

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ? You really don't think that would...

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ?

You really don't think that would lead to a huge legal battle?

A quick check of the link Swordfish posted makes it appear this is a huge, full line Yamaha dealer...something tells me it'd take more than "one call" to make that go away.

DonM wrote:

Yeah they are going to take away the brand from one of their largest dealers in Canada over a claimed bike at a US amateur race...Makes...

Yeah they are going to take away the brand from one of their largest dealers in Canada over a claimed bike at a US amateur race...Makes total sense to me...

swordfish wrote:

Maybe you are right, but as I mentioned I know of at least a couple times a franchise has been pulled over personality conflicts or disagreements...

Maybe you are right, but as I mentioned I know of at least a couple times a franchise has been pulled over personality conflicts or disagreements.
Motoplex is a big operation, they have deep pockets. Ducati, Triumph, Suzuki, BMW, Polaris, Indian.

LungButter wrote:

I would venture to guess those were long term/ongoing problems that led to that? It just seems pretty extreme (and a breach of contract) for Yamaha...

I would venture to guess those were long term/ongoing problems that led to that?

It just seems pretty extreme (and a breach of contract) for Yamaha to pull their line from a dealership of that size over something like this.

gt80rider wrote:

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be...

You don't think much before you post do ya?? LOL

Lets assume Yamaha USA was at Lorettas... I mean, no need for yamaha canada to be there as they had american reps on the ground...

That would not keep Yamaha USA from harassing the kid about the claim... doesn't keep them from offering the kid deals to go back on his claim... and with the actual dealer on the ground at Lorettas... it does not keep the Yamaha USA rep from walking up to said dealer and saying "I'll make one call and your yamaha contract is gone!".......

but... you jump to conclusions, like a 12 yr old would.... "that pretty much puts it to bed"... LMAO....

LungButter wrote:

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ? You really don't think that would...

You really think the kind of contracts that Yamaha has with their dealers can be undone with "one call" ?

You really don't think that would lead to a huge legal battle?

A quick check of the link Swordfish posted makes it appear this is a huge, full line Yamaha dealer...something tells me it'd take more than "one call" to make that go away.

three9zero wrote:

Dealers are on a year to year with our brands.....They(the OEM) can find a way cut you for almost any reason they like.

theprinterguy! wrote:

Right on Cooksey. Deegan's don't have a dime in on this- It's all Star. Star had better get busy fast-like before Brennan Lawyers up. A. Invite...

Right on Cooksey. Deegan's don't have a dime in on this- It's all Star. Star had better get busy fast-like before Brennan Lawyers up.
A. Invite him out to the compound.
B. Have ready for him a brand new replica Hayden bike- that he take's home- Gratis.
C. Get's to spend the day with them just as he was a star rider. Case closed
D. You video and document.

btw, I do know a real nice guy named "Craig" that got screwed over...

Thanks- The Printer Guy

disbanded wrote:

Yeah but what is your opinion on Brother printers? I'm about to throw mine out the window.

three9zero wrote:

Dealers are on a year to year with our brands.....They(the OEM) can find a way cut you for almost any reason they like.

LungButter wrote:

Ok, then let's put our common sense hat's on for a minute.... Does it really make sense that the huge corporation that is Yamaha would put...

Ok, then let's put our common sense hat's on for a minute....

Does it really make sense that the huge corporation that is Yamaha would put in the time and resources to take away this dealers contract over a claim filed at an Amateur Race, by a no-name kid from Canada that probably has their logo on his graphics cause they sold him a bike at cost and he gets cost plus 10% on parts?

Not to mention, the Racing side and Dealership side of Yamaha are completely separate from each other.

I'm sure some shit went on behind the scenes with this that we'll never know about, but I just can't wrap my head around threatening the dealer who (by what I've read at least) had zero to do with the whole situation....

MxKing809 wrote:

When it was a fully factory motor/transmission that they got caught with their pants down running? Yeah…. I think they were looking for every bit of...

When it was a fully factory motor/transmission that they got caught with their pants down running? Yeah…. I think they were looking for every bit of leverage to use against that kid.

Why else would the owner of the dealership be brought in to the meeting room with Cotter, Brian Deegan and the kid? The dealer had absolutely nothing to do with this whole situation, yet was brought in to a closed door meeting before the father for what reason? Anyone who thinks his licensing wasn’t threatened….please explain to me why he was involved in any capacity then.

MxKing809 wrote:

When it was a fully factory motor/transmission that they got caught with their pants down running? Yeah…. I think they were looking for every bit of...

When it was a fully factory motor/transmission that they got caught with their pants down running? Yeah…. I think they were looking for every bit of leverage to use against that kid.

Why else would the owner of the dealership be brought in to the meeting room with Cotter, Brian Deegan and the kid? The dealer had absolutely nothing to do with this whole situation, yet was brought in to a closed door meeting before the father for what reason? Anyone who thinks his licensing wasn’t threatened….please explain to me why he was involved in any capacity then.

three9zero wrote:

Dealers are on a year to year with our brands.....They(the OEM) can find a way cut you for almost any reason they like.

LungButter wrote:

Ok, then let's put our common sense hat's on for a minute.... Does it really make sense that the huge corporation that is Yamaha would put...

Ok, then let's put our common sense hat's on for a minute....

Does it really make sense that the huge corporation that is Yamaha would put in the time and resources to take away this dealers contract over a claim filed at an Amateur Race, by a no-name kid from Canada that probably has their logo on his graphics cause they sold him a bike at cost and he gets cost plus 10% on parts?

Not to mention, the Racing side and Dealership side of Yamaha are completely separate from each other.

I'm sure some shit went on behind the scenes with this that we'll never know about, but I just can't wrap my head around threatening the dealer who (by what I've read at least) had zero to do with the whole situation....