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-MAVERICK- 7/9/2022 12:11pm
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uncledaddy69 wrote:
They need a satellite team that fields 250 and 450 riders ala clubmx. PC and MEK are usually the only kawi riders on the track.
We all know they can afford it, but maybe the investment isn't worth the effort.

Would be great to see.
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uncledaddy69 wrote:
He’s doing all the nationals after LL, then turning pro full time in 2023.

EDIT: I was wrong 🤓
Darksidemx3 wrote:
he plans on doing SX Futures in 2023. Austin plans on SX on a 250 then 450 outdoors. That may hint what Ryder will do for...
he plans on doing SX Futures in 2023. Austin plans on SX on a 250 then 450 outdoors. That may hint what Ryder will do for outdoors. Haha! Hopefully articles go up soon.
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Mitch going to build a 450 for Forkner? Hasn't done that since Tickle I believe.
Guess again
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stremme12 wrote:
He did it for Rattray for outdoors after Tickle. I believe Wilson as well but he was injured shortly after.
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I remember Rattray, just wasn't sure if it was before or after Tickle. Either way, it's been awhile. Would be cool to see a Kawi support...
I remember Rattray, just wasn't sure if it was before or after Tickle. Either way, it's been awhile.

Would be cool to see a Kawi support team in the 450 class. 2 more spots couldn't hurt.
uncledaddy69 wrote:
They need a satellite team that fields 250 and 450 riders ala clubmx. PC and MEK are usually the only kawi riders on the track.
PRMX, Logan Karnow and a handful of other privateers run Kawi. But it would be cool to see a factory supported team added.
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uncledaddy69 wrote:
He’s doing all the nationals after LL, then turning pro full time in 2023.

EDIT: I was wrong 🤓
Darksidemx3 wrote:
he plans on doing SX Futures in 2023. Austin plans on SX on a 250 then 450 outdoors. That may hint what Ryder will do for...
he plans on doing SX Futures in 2023. Austin plans on SX on a 250 then 450 outdoors. That may hint what Ryder will do for outdoors. Haha! Hopefully articles go up soon.
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Mitch going to build a 450 for Forkner? Hasn't done that since Tickle I believe.
He couldn't tell me details

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uncledaddy69 wrote:
Can’t wait. Did you get to quit your day job yet?
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My last day is the 20th
Money wrote:
U get a 401k at the new job? Benefits? May regret not having that 15 years down the road
full benefits. And I'm vested at old job so retirement remains
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if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle as the factory 250 effort.
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bvm111 wrote:
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle...
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle as the factory 250 effort.
KTM screwed Vohland. He should have stayed amateur another year maybe 2 which was their plan. Ktm didn’t have anybody so they called vohland up early and he wasn’t ready. I hate it for the kid because he has tons of potential and his career will probably end up cut short
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Vohland needs time to mature physically, kinda reminds me of Adam C. when he turned pro, just stick and bones.

Agree KTM went too soon for Pro, and if I remember didn’t the Vohland’s have a plan to wait another year, but the opportunity came up?

I say give the kid a chance to bulk up a little. Snapping a Femur had to mess with his head. Suspect we haven’t seen nearly the best of him.
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Dirt_Dawg wrote:
The future looks bright for the young guns romano , Ryder D and jett reynolds.
Reynolds? I’ve yet to see him with a helmet on (I missed his lap at press day at the opening east round)… not sure he belongs in this group of young guns.
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As stated, I wish Forkner would have gone to Yamaha but Kawi retained his services. Clearly they still see value in him. As for Ryder, If Austin is indeed doing one more year of sx and 450 outdoors it could either be factory Kawi simply moving him under to the factory tent or Mitch building a bike. Either way, Kawi is still footing the bill and this would free up the soft transition for Ryder to go pro for the outdoors.
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NorCalRedRyder 7/10/2022 4:49pm
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RCMXracing wrote:
Vohland needs time to mature physically, kinda reminds me of Adam C. when he turned pro, just stick and bones. Agree KTM went too soon for...
Vohland needs time to mature physically, kinda reminds me of Adam C. when he turned pro, just stick and bones.

Agree KTM went too soon for Pro, and if I remember didn’t the Vohland’s have a plan to wait another year, but the opportunity came up?

I say give the kid a chance to bulk up a little. Snapping a Femur had to mess with his head. Suspect we haven’t seen nearly the best of him.
I was surprised Talon agreed to alter their whole plan and move him up early, especially with very little Supercross experience under his belt. Probably got paid handsomely as well, didn't they also give him a 3 year deal? If so he will be back next year. If so he needs to do some heavy duty Supercross practice for next year.
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RCMXracing wrote:
Vohland needs time to mature physically, kinda reminds me of Adam C. when he turned pro, just stick and bones. Agree KTM went too soon for...
Vohland needs time to mature physically, kinda reminds me of Adam C. when he turned pro, just stick and bones.

Agree KTM went too soon for Pro, and if I remember didn’t the Vohland’s have a plan to wait another year, but the opportunity came up?

I say give the kid a chance to bulk up a little. Snapping a Femur had to mess with his head. Suspect we haven’t seen nearly the best of him.
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I was surprised Talon agreed to alter their whole plan and move him up early, especially with very little Supercross experience under his belt. Probably got...
I was surprised Talon agreed to alter their whole plan and move him up early, especially with very little Supercross experience under his belt. Probably got paid handsomely as well, didn't they also give him a 3 year deal? If so he will be back next year. If so he needs to do some heavy duty Supercross practice for next year.
Does still have one year left. At the time they made the deal, KTM was going to put someone in that spot. If Max didn't take it, there would not have been a spot when his amateur deal was up. He would have been looking for something else. So, with the 3 year option, it made the most sense
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183Matt 7/10/2022 6:14pm
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bvm111 wrote:
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle...
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle as the factory 250 effort.
kripple428 wrote:
KTM screwed Vohland. He should have stayed amateur another year maybe 2 which was their plan. Ktm didn’t have anybody so they called vohland up early...
KTM screwed Vohland. He should have stayed amateur another year maybe 2 which was their plan. Ktm didn’t have anybody so they called vohland up early and he wasn’t ready. I hate it for the kid because he has tons of potential and his career will probably end up cut short
How can you call giving him a lucrative 3 year contract and factory equipment screwing him?
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Hank_Thrill 7/10/2022 7:34pm
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Boomslang wrote:
....crazy if Mitch can't make something happen. KTM could use a 250 dude. https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/Ryder-DiFrancesco-Without-a-Ride-in-2023-Is-Pro-Circuit-Kawasaki-Already-Full,21443/ML512,13480
....crazy if Mitch can't make something happen. KTM could use a 250 dude.

https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/Ryder-DiFrancesco-Without-a-Rid…
He's going to land at Pro Circuit. I can see Mitch telling him this to lite a fire under his ass. Maybe Mitch wants to see him go to his limit like he has been, which is an excellent strategy. Just speculating for fun.
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Sully 7/10/2022 8:04pm
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bvm111 wrote:
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle...
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle as the factory 250 effort.
With KTM's history cutting Drake, Falk, and Cantrell after 1 - 2 years as pros, if they cut Vohland now, in my opinion, they'd never be able to sign a decent amateur again.
NorCalRedRyder 7/10/2022 9:53pm
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183Matt wrote:
How can you call giving him a lucrative 3 year contract and factory equipment screwing him?
Because he barely had any Supercross training under his belt and the plan was to ease him into it, possibly even go race overseas like Talon did for a year. There are no Supercross facilities in Norcal and he trained up here for the most part. Not to mention he was literally the only guy on a Factory KTM. KTM doesn't even have a satellite team like Star, PC, etc. He got thrown to the lions and had his whole program/plan ripped out from under him.
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bvm111 wrote:
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle...
if i was ktm i would cut my losses with Vohland, there has to be a performance clause in the contract, and have Ryder and Vialle as the factory 250 effort.
Sully wrote:
With KTM's history cutting Drake, Falk, and Cantrell after 1 - 2 years as pros, if they cut Vohland now, in my opinion, they'd never be...
With KTM's history cutting Drake, Falk, and Cantrell after 1 - 2 years as pros, if they cut Vohland now, in my opinion, they'd never be able to sign a decent amateur again.
I disagree. Those riders were never good enough except maybe Drake but he had/eventually got health problems that basically killed his career either way. Falk and Cantrell were fortunate to have factory rides from day one.

Vohland is a different case, this is a major screwup by KTM.

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NorCalRedRyder 7/10/2022 11:21pm
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RCMXracing wrote:
Vohland needs time to mature physically, kinda reminds me of Adam C. when he turned pro, just stick and bones. Agree KTM went too soon for...
Vohland needs time to mature physically, kinda reminds me of Adam C. when he turned pro, just stick and bones.

Agree KTM went too soon for Pro, and if I remember didn’t the Vohland’s have a plan to wait another year, but the opportunity came up?

I say give the kid a chance to bulk up a little. Snapping a Femur had to mess with his head. Suspect we haven’t seen nearly the best of him.
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
I was surprised Talon agreed to alter their whole plan and move him up early, especially with very little Supercross experience under his belt. Probably got...
I was surprised Talon agreed to alter their whole plan and move him up early, especially with very little Supercross experience under his belt. Probably got paid handsomely as well, didn't they also give him a 3 year deal? If so he will be back next year. If so he needs to do some heavy duty Supercross practice for next year.
Darksidemx3 wrote:
Does still have one year left. At the time they made the deal, KTM was going to put someone in that spot. If Max didn't take...
Does still have one year left. At the time they made the deal, KTM was going to put someone in that spot. If Max didn't take it, there would not have been a spot when his amateur deal was up. He would have been looking for something else. So, with the 3 year option, it made the most sense
That might have been a good thing. I'm sure Star, Clubmx, etc. would've picked him up and he could've learned Supercross for a year or so. That's kinda dirty on KTM's part to strong arm him into doing something he obviously wasn't ready for. I wonder who would have gotten the ride if he didn't take it?
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quadzrulebro 7/11/2022 8:13am
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How much longer is Kawasaki obligated to hold that spot for Jett Reynolds? They’d be better off buying him out of his contract and giving the spot to Ryder D.
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quadzrulebro wrote:
How much longer is Kawasaki obligated to hold that spot for Jett Reynolds? They’d be better off buying him out of his contract and giving the...
How much longer is Kawasaki obligated to hold that spot for Jett Reynolds? They’d be better off buying him out of his contract and giving the spot to Ryder D.
Another year
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uncledaddy69 7/12/2022 7:29am
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Just listened to the interview. Great job and glad you asked him straight up about his contract.
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uncledaddy69 wrote:
Just listened to the interview. Great job and glad you asked him straight up about his contract.
Thanks
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It’s weird Ryder seems confused about people questioning his ride, but no amateur has ever done the 2 pro races a full year ahead. It would make way more sense to do Loretta’s and then 2 of the last 3 nationals and not risking getting hurt before Loretta’s. Just a very odd plan to do two Nationals before Loretta’s and then stay amateur and the two nationals aren’t even in a row. And then says he’s doing SX futures again when he just did it and qualified for SX.
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uncledaddy69 wrote:
Just listened to the interview. Great job and glad you asked him straight up about his contract.
What was said in the video?
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Cygrace74 wrote:
It’s weird Ryder seems confused about people questioning his ride, but no amateur has ever done the 2 pro races a full year ahead. It would...
It’s weird Ryder seems confused about people questioning his ride, but no amateur has ever done the 2 pro races a full year ahead. It would make way more sense to do Loretta’s and then 2 of the last 3 nationals and not risking getting hurt before Loretta’s. Just a very odd plan to do two Nationals before Loretta’s and then stay amateur and the two nationals aren’t even in a row. And then says he’s doing SX futures again when he just did it and qualified for SX.
It really makes sense when you think about it. PC has no open Pro spots. They literally can only give him an AM deal for 2023. It might not be ideal but it's just how things worked out timing wise.
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stremme12 wrote:
It really makes sense when you think about it. PC has no open Pro spots. They literally can only give him an AM deal for 2023...
It really makes sense when you think about it. PC has no open Pro spots. They literally can only give him an AM deal for 2023. It might not be ideal but it's just how things worked out timing wise.
And it would make sense if he said that and admitted with the timing he has to stay amateur he can’t go pro right now. Maybe just him being a kid but he laughed it off like people are dumb for wondering what he’s doing or assuming he didn’t have a ride. What he’s doing has never been done
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quadzrulebro wrote:
How much longer is Kawasaki obligated to hold that spot for Jett Reynolds? They’d be better off buying him out of his contract and giving the...
How much longer is Kawasaki obligated to hold that spot for Jett Reynolds? They’d be better off buying him out of his contract and giving the spot to Ryder D.
Im assuming the same reason they hold onto Forkner and Mc Adoo. They are under contract. Weird they did not see this coming beforehand.
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uncledaddy69 7/12/2022 12:52pm
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uncledaddy69 wrote:
Just listened to the interview. Great job and glad you asked him straight up about his contract.
Stewyeww wrote:
What was said in the video?
What was said in the video?
He’s signed with Team Green for 2023. He’s going to do supercross futures again, then he’s doing the full pro National series.
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It was interesting how Ryder talked about the pro lines and braking bumps compared to amateur. Pro's brake later, bumps are at a different point entering the turns. Lines are different by pro's carrying more speed than amateurs.

It is unfortunate he is staying down. He seems physically mature enough to muscle through the 250 competition and obviously has the speed. Not much of a learning opportunity staying down and raking in championships when he could be maturing his racecraft against his eventual competition.

Back to Vohland; it is a shame he wasn't afforded a supercross futures debut that Ryder had. Max was thrown right into the mix and injured.
Had a great debut at Pala, like Ryder did at Red Bud.

Max has a huge upside, he just hasn't hit his stride yet.

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