Dark side assignment ( D.C. interview)

7/2/2022 6:26am
bichwolf wrote:
Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series. The riders are faster than ever, the gear is...
Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series.
The riders are faster than ever, the gear is arguably the best its ever looked, the bikes..6 major mfg.'s and another on the way. Time to look in the mirror.
don't understand your point. Look in the mirror? And realize............what?
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7/2/2022 6:49am Edited Date/Time 7/2/2022 6:50am
jeffro503 wrote:
Side note : Why can't we get a sole purpose web based streaming service like MXGP? Their entire package is flawless! Follow that program would be...
Side note : Why can't we get a sole purpose web based streaming service like MXGP?
Their entire package is flawless!

Follow that program would be my suggestion.
IMO, the AMAs should hook up with MXGPs for some collaboration. One of the end results being we could watch both series on that one streaming platform. But the collaboration could go way beyond that and give each series a serious upshot. Imagine a couple select dual-series weekend events at the same venue, for one thing?

Edit: ya, I know, pipe dreams...
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I have an interview scheduled with DC early next week in regards to MAVTV+, the switch to flow, etc...
Okay then please do the job differently than the Moto media in the past. Ask actual questions. Ask uncomfortable questions. Your forum is littered with thousands...
Okay then please do the job differently than the Moto media in the past. Ask actual questions. Ask uncomfortable questions. Your forum is littered with thousands and thousands of examples of questions you could ask. Please don't just turn the microphone toward him and let him give a polished public relations speech. I know you will do your job and I've really been appreciative of the work that you have done and I just really hope it carries over to this very important topic.
ML512 wrote:
It’ll be fair, there will be some direct questions but this ain’t no witch hunt. I’m not burning the dude at the stake.
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the helm, and ‘heavy is the crown’, but he needs to own it.

Case in point: they could have kept Red Bull happy and retained them as a sponsor and streamed everything on their highly-capabale, already established and ubiquitous streaming platform for everyone all over the world.

From out here this feels like a massive miss, and genuine short-sighted greed and/or incompetence on how to run a global series. Now it is a regional side show at best. Easily 10 steps backwards, and NOBODY can be happy about it. Not the manufacturers, sponsors, riders, owners and certainly not the fans. It is a complete hack job and again, he is the big boss man so he needs to take the heat. Or step aside and allow a more capable entity try to get it back to any semblance of respectability.
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One of the most frustrating things is how much Coombs talked up the mav TV partnership like it was an upgrade, when it clearly wasn’t. If there was a little more honesty before the season the masses on vital wouldn’t be out in droves to ring necks.

ML can you ask what is the barrier to putting the races on YouTube?

I’m with Matthes, I don’t understand why they can’t just put the races up on YouTube. That’s how you get more eyes on the sport, not making people jump through 20 different hoops to watch. If a random viewer sees it on NBC and wants to continue watching are they really going to go through the trouble of signing up for FLO? I don’t think so. Are the TV contracts the only thing keeping the series afloat?
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jeffro503 wrote:
Side note : Why can't we get a sole purpose web based streaming service like MXGP? Their entire package is flawless! Follow that program would be...
Side note : Why can't we get a sole purpose web based streaming service like MXGP?
Their entire package is flawless!

Follow that program would be my suggestion.
ns503 wrote:
IMO, the AMAs should hook up with MXGPs for some collaboration. One of the end results being we could watch both series on that one streaming...
IMO, the AMAs should hook up with MXGPs for some collaboration. One of the end results being we could watch both series on that one streaming platform. But the collaboration could go way beyond that and give each series a serious upshot. Imagine a couple select dual-series weekend events at the same venue, for one thing?

Edit: ya, I know, pipe dreams...
Oh man......that right there is a perfect dream combo right there. We all love moto , and instead of competing against each other in broadcasts , they could team up financially and show all the races......every where!

How freaking cool could that be?

MAV TV underestimated the viewership amount I think. The intrest is there , the money is there as well , as most everyone is willing to pay for a flawless broadcast. Someone needs to connect the damn dot's!
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jeffro503 wrote:
Side note : Why can't we get a sole purpose web based streaming service like MXGP? Their entire package is flawless! Follow that program would be...
Side note : Why can't we get a sole purpose web based streaming service like MXGP?
Their entire package is flawless!

Follow that program would be my suggestion.
ns503 wrote:
IMO, the AMAs should hook up with MXGPs for some collaboration. One of the end results being we could watch both series on that one streaming...
IMO, the AMAs should hook up with MXGPs for some collaboration. One of the end results being we could watch both series on that one streaming platform. But the collaboration could go way beyond that and give each series a serious upshot. Imagine a couple select dual-series weekend events at the same venue, for one thing?

Edit: ya, I know, pipe dreams...
jeffro503 wrote:
Oh man......that right there is a perfect dream combo right there. We all love moto , and instead of competing against each other in broadcasts...
Oh man......that right there is a perfect dream combo right there. We all love moto , and instead of competing against each other in broadcasts , they could team up financially and show all the races......every where!

How freaking cool could that be?

MAV TV underestimated the viewership amount I think. The intrest is there , the money is there as well , as most everyone is willing to pay for a flawless broadcast. Someone needs to connect the damn dot's!
We just got FIM out of SX and to a lesser extent MX. Let’s keep it that way please.
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Okay then please do the job differently than the Moto media in the past. Ask actual questions. Ask uncomfortable questions. Your forum is littered with thousands...
Okay then please do the job differently than the Moto media in the past. Ask actual questions. Ask uncomfortable questions. Your forum is littered with thousands and thousands of examples of questions you could ask. Please don't just turn the microphone toward him and let him give a polished public relations speech. I know you will do your job and I've really been appreciative of the work that you have done and I just really hope it carries over to this very important topic.
ML512 wrote:
It’ll be fair, there will be some direct questions but this ain’t no witch hunt. I’m not burning the dude at the stake.
ktmwoods wrote:
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the...
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the helm, and ‘heavy is the crown’, but he needs to own it.

Case in point: they could have kept Red Bull happy and retained them as a sponsor and streamed everything on their highly-capabale, already established and ubiquitous streaming platform for everyone all over the world.

From out here this feels like a massive miss, and genuine short-sighted greed and/or incompetence on how to run a global series. Now it is a regional side show at best. Easily 10 steps backwards, and NOBODY can be happy about it. Not the manufacturers, sponsors, riders, owners and certainly not the fans. It is a complete hack job and again, he is the big boss man so he needs to take the heat. Or step aside and allow a more capable entity try to get it back to any semblance of respectability.
If RedbullTV was even remotely an option, anything else was a downgrade.

Was RedbullTV an option?
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7/2/2022 9:11am Edited Date/Time 7/2/2022 9:12am
Okay then please do the job differently than the Moto media in the past. Ask actual questions. Ask uncomfortable questions. Your forum is littered with thousands...
Okay then please do the job differently than the Moto media in the past. Ask actual questions. Ask uncomfortable questions. Your forum is littered with thousands and thousands of examples of questions you could ask. Please don't just turn the microphone toward him and let him give a polished public relations speech. I know you will do your job and I've really been appreciative of the work that you have done and I just really hope it carries over to this very important topic.
ML512 wrote:
It’ll be fair, there will be some direct questions but this ain’t no witch hunt. I’m not burning the dude at the stake.
ktmwoods wrote:
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the...
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the helm, and ‘heavy is the crown’, but he needs to own it.

Case in point: they could have kept Red Bull happy and retained them as a sponsor and streamed everything on their highly-capabale, already established and ubiquitous streaming platform for everyone all over the world.

From out here this feels like a massive miss, and genuine short-sighted greed and/or incompetence on how to run a global series. Now it is a regional side show at best. Easily 10 steps backwards, and NOBODY can be happy about it. Not the manufacturers, sponsors, riders, owners and certainly not the fans. It is a complete hack job and again, he is the big boss man so he needs to take the heat. Or step aside and allow a more capable entity try to get it back to any semblance of respectability.
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only.

The switch to Monster is going to be a big part of Supercross and Pro Motocross relationship going forward.

On top of that, I can't say for certain if RedBullTV was even an option.
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7/2/2022 9:18am
ML512 wrote:
It’ll be fair, there will be some direct questions but this ain’t no witch hunt. I’m not burning the dude at the stake.
ktmwoods wrote:
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the...
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the helm, and ‘heavy is the crown’, but he needs to own it.

Case in point: they could have kept Red Bull happy and retained them as a sponsor and streamed everything on their highly-capabale, already established and ubiquitous streaming platform for everyone all over the world.

From out here this feels like a massive miss, and genuine short-sighted greed and/or incompetence on how to run a global series. Now it is a regional side show at best. Easily 10 steps backwards, and NOBODY can be happy about it. Not the manufacturers, sponsors, riders, owners and certainly not the fans. It is a complete hack job and again, he is the big boss man so he needs to take the heat. Or step aside and allow a more capable entity try to get it back to any semblance of respectability.
ML512 wrote:
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only. The...
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only.

The switch to Monster is going to be a big part of Supercross and Pro Motocross relationship going forward.

On top of that, I can't say for certain if RedBullTV was even an option.
If that’s the reason that’s a huge miscalculation by the OEM’s and sponsors in my view. Especially for niche sports catered to a younger demo. The fanbase riders like Dean-o, Deegan, Axell have grown through Youtube is proof you don’t need to be on old school TV. MX could easily build and monetize a fanbase if they took this approach.
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ktmwoods wrote:
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the...
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the helm, and ‘heavy is the crown’, but he needs to own it.

Case in point: they could have kept Red Bull happy and retained them as a sponsor and streamed everything on their highly-capabale, already established and ubiquitous streaming platform for everyone all over the world.

From out here this feels like a massive miss, and genuine short-sighted greed and/or incompetence on how to run a global series. Now it is a regional side show at best. Easily 10 steps backwards, and NOBODY can be happy about it. Not the manufacturers, sponsors, riders, owners and certainly not the fans. It is a complete hack job and again, he is the big boss man so he needs to take the heat. Or step aside and allow a more capable entity try to get it back to any semblance of respectability.
ML512 wrote:
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only. The...
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only.

The switch to Monster is going to be a big part of Supercross and Pro Motocross relationship going forward.

On top of that, I can't say for certain if RedBullTV was even an option.
soggy wrote:
If that’s the reason that’s a huge miscalculation by the OEM’s and sponsors in my view. Especially for niche sports catered to a younger demo. The...
If that’s the reason that’s a huge miscalculation by the OEM’s and sponsors in my view. Especially for niche sports catered to a younger demo. The fanbase riders like Dean-o, Deegan, Axell have grown through Youtube is proof you don’t need to be on old school TV. MX could easily build and monetize a fanbase if they took this approach.
I see both sides of the argument. Pro Motocross likely has an older demographic than Supercross... Personally, I don't think there's a perfect solution yet
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ML512 wrote:
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only. The...
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only.

The switch to Monster is going to be a big part of Supercross and Pro Motocross relationship going forward.

On top of that, I can't say for certain if RedBullTV was even an option.
soggy wrote:
If that’s the reason that’s a huge miscalculation by the OEM’s and sponsors in my view. Especially for niche sports catered to a younger demo. The...
If that’s the reason that’s a huge miscalculation by the OEM’s and sponsors in my view. Especially for niche sports catered to a younger demo. The fanbase riders like Dean-o, Deegan, Axell have grown through Youtube is proof you don’t need to be on old school TV. MX could easily build and monetize a fanbase if they took this approach.
ML512 wrote:
I see both sides of the argument. Pro Motocross likely has an older demographic than Supercross... Personally, I don't think there's a perfect solution yet
That could certainly be true. This is a bit of a generalization but old people kind of suck at the internet ( no offense to the geezers here) and having multiple different platforms to watch on can be confusing. Everyone knows YouTube and how to access it. They just need to K.I.S.S.
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ML512 wrote:
It’ll be fair, there will be some direct questions but this ain’t no witch hunt. I’m not burning the dude at the stake.
ktmwoods wrote:
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the...
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the helm, and ‘heavy is the crown’, but he needs to own it.

Case in point: they could have kept Red Bull happy and retained them as a sponsor and streamed everything on their highly-capabale, already established and ubiquitous streaming platform for everyone all over the world.

From out here this feels like a massive miss, and genuine short-sighted greed and/or incompetence on how to run a global series. Now it is a regional side show at best. Easily 10 steps backwards, and NOBODY can be happy about it. Not the manufacturers, sponsors, riders, owners and certainly not the fans. It is a complete hack job and again, he is the big boss man so he needs to take the heat. Or step aside and allow a more capable entity try to get it back to any semblance of respectability.
Broseph wrote:
If RedbullTV was even remotely an option, anything else was a downgrade.

Was RedbullTV an option?
I just checked with a Red Bull contact that would know if it was ever an option, they said no, it wasn't ever an option.
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ktmwoods wrote:
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the...
ML - all we ask that you dig in with Davey on the root causes and ultimate mismanagement of the entire series. He is at the helm, and ‘heavy is the crown’, but he needs to own it.

Case in point: they could have kept Red Bull happy and retained them as a sponsor and streamed everything on their highly-capabale, already established and ubiquitous streaming platform for everyone all over the world.

From out here this feels like a massive miss, and genuine short-sighted greed and/or incompetence on how to run a global series. Now it is a regional side show at best. Easily 10 steps backwards, and NOBODY can be happy about it. Not the manufacturers, sponsors, riders, owners and certainly not the fans. It is a complete hack job and again, he is the big boss man so he needs to take the heat. Or step aside and allow a more capable entity try to get it back to any semblance of respectability.
ML512 wrote:
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only. The...
I can touch on part of this...there's would be a big issue with the OEMs and other major sponsors if the series went streaming only.

The switch to Monster is going to be a big part of Supercross and Pro Motocross relationship going forward.

On top of that, I can't say for certain if RedBullTV was even an option.
soggy wrote:
If that’s the reason that’s a huge miscalculation by the OEM’s and sponsors in my view. Especially for niche sports catered to a younger demo. The...
If that’s the reason that’s a huge miscalculation by the OEM’s and sponsors in my view. Especially for niche sports catered to a younger demo. The fanbase riders like Dean-o, Deegan, Axell have grown through Youtube is proof you don’t need to be on old school TV. MX could easily build and monetize a fanbase if they took this approach.
Preach!! The ones in charge at the OEM's are old school and really lack the knowledge of new age tech. They rather have the races stream at 1AM on Sunday for 102 people on FoxSports than behind a paywall LIVE.

It's been 10 years of the sport paying for us to broadcast on major networks. Everyone's thoughts were it's going to grow the sport. Well the sport hasn't grown and when you ask the general public about dirt bikes they think TP199 backflips.

We need a new outlook on the sport. It's always been monetized, but the sport never made the money, it just went to the big broadcasters. Now with the new age we can be monetized, but the sport makes the money back with companies like Flo.
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soggy wrote:
That could certainly be true. This is a bit of a generalization but old people kind of suck at the internet ( no offense to the...
That could certainly be true. This is a bit of a generalization but old people kind of suck at the internet ( no offense to the geezers here) and having multiple different platforms to watch on can be confusing. Everyone knows YouTube and how to access it. They just need to K.I.S.S.
No offense taken. Old guy here who made a career in tech. This whole setup is a clusterfawk no matter what your age.

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Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series. The riders are faster than ever, the gear is...
Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series.
The riders are faster than ever, the gear is arguably the best its ever looked, the bikes..6 major mfg.'s and another on the way. Time to look in the mirror.
don't understand your point. Look in the mirror? And realize............what?
The BRANDING is weak for MX and SX.
- Every rider in the main should have a bio page that is guaranteed time on the screen. Selling their sponsors in addition to their brand.
-The coverage continues to underwhelm non riders. Show the size and speed of things for God's sake.
-Rider profiles and Team profiles need to be SERIOUSLY improved upon and AWESOME.
-Money makes the world go around. If you have half the field lining up on borrowed gas money...well it shows. Pay everyone reasonably. Sort that out. Don't care how.

Many more thoughts, but just my opinion I know. I'm just a 50 year fan of the sport and weekend warrior.
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7/2/2022 9:54am
I wish I was a billionaire that could fund a LIV type of competing series or straight up just kill off what we're currently getting. The base of this sport is so abused and taken advantage of by all these guys that just seem to squeeze every last dime out of what it is instead of growing the sport. There is very weak leadership at the top.

1. Rider purses for outdoor nationals are GD joke. Without the riders filling the gates there is no product to sell.

2. A small fraction of moto guys even care about outdoors. Listen to the podcasts of a ton of pros the common theme "I hate racing the outdoors". Meet with the teams, riders, and sponsors and make it better for them.

3. Get back to the roots. I can only answer for the Texas scene, but there will be a bunch of tracks open this weekend for practice filled with people that don't even realize Red Bud is going on this weekend. Moto needs the amateur level of this sport thriving. There's no excitement behind pro racing outside of supercross.

4. Your series doesn't even cater to the core of your base. I understand California is HQ for moto but to skip over gigantic population states like Florida and Texas in favor of West Virginia, Maryland, Washington, Indiana, etc is a head scratcher. Swan is a national level track down here and has lights. I can't speak on Florida.
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bichwolf wrote:
Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series. The riders are faster than ever, the gear is...
Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series.
The riders are faster than ever, the gear is arguably the best its ever looked, the bikes..6 major mfg.'s and another on the way. Time to look in the mirror.
Like a complicated painting, there are parts here I agree with and parts that I’m working to understand.
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ML. It’s not a witch hunt when both parties acknowledge and accept the interview. Friendships should be left at the door both knowing that difficult questions could be asked as well as answeres given that may not be favorable all in the name of “making things better” and doing your jobs as series promoter and journalist. One of the best ways to make that happen is open, honest dialogue and the friendship can resume when the pens are down and recorders are off.

Never understood the whole threat and fear of being blackballed. Seems pretty amateur and petty if you ask me. Wanted to use the word childish but there may be reasons I don’t understand…
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ML. It’s not a witch hunt when both parties acknowledge and accept the interview. Friendships should be left at the door both knowing that difficult questions...
ML. It’s not a witch hunt when both parties acknowledge and accept the interview. Friendships should be left at the door both knowing that difficult questions could be asked as well as answeres given that may not be favorable all in the name of “making things better” and doing your jobs as series promoter and journalist. One of the best ways to make that happen is open, honest dialogue and the friendship can resume when the pens are down and recorders are off.

Never understood the whole threat and fear of being blackballed. Seems pretty amateur and petty if you ask me. Wanted to use the word childish but there may be reasons I don’t understand…
And some questions won't get answers. There's a difference between being fair in terms of how the questions are asked and how the interview progresses, versus grilling someone to no end. My comment on the witch hunt was abased around a user saying to ask what was in the MavTV thread. In my opinion, some of what is in that thread is close to witch hunt area.
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bichwolf wrote:
Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series. The riders are faster than ever, the gear is...
Nobody owes us good TV coverage. The numbers are linked directly to the management of the series.
The riders are faster than ever, the gear is arguably the best its ever looked, the bikes..6 major mfg.'s and another on the way. Time to look in the mirror.
Like a complicated painting, there are parts here I agree with and parts that I’m working to understand.
Touche lol

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Was the 2021 AMA outdoor series on Peacock last year?
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Was the 2021 AMA outdoor series on Peacock last year?
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Davey would absolutely come on my show. But I doubt he would talk about that. He would do that with his own platform. I will ask...
Davey would absolutely come on my show. But I doubt he would talk about that. He would do that with his own platform. I will ask him, though
Look Jamie, I respect what you do and all the BS you put up with from Pulp (I know it's in good fun)... BUT this is...
Look Jamie, I respect what you do and all the BS you put up with from Pulp (I know it's in good fun)...
BUT this is EXACTLY what we're talking about when it comes to journalism in this sport.
He won't talk about it? Of course he won't, because the precedent has been set for years that the truly hard questions won't be asked.
How dare the people who enable this sport to even be somewhat successful (weekend warriors, ticket-purchasers, website-vistors) want real answers about one of the biggest fails this sport has ever seen.
I don't know if DC was complicit in this failure, I don't know if he knew it was a risk and lied to us (I tend to think he didn't lie), and I definitely don't know where the train actually left the tracks.
We are left to speculate and wonder why. Which brings us back to your response....he won't answer.
I don't even expect him to come on here and subject himself to the irrational and all-knowing Vitards, that's a lose-lose for him.
We all just want answers, period. He SHOULD go on a podcast, or release a Weege-Style YouTube/Social Media video laying things out.
It's really unfortunate that probably won't happen. Hopefully Flo is a huge improvement...regardless, I think the PAYING customers who were promised a certain product at the beginning of the nationals deserve some real answers.
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions...

Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX only deal for next year. His dad then goes on record that next year will likely be his last yet no one has asked Eli in any of the post race presser's about this potentially/likely being the last time he races the nationals.

Can you imagine this happening in any other sport? Imagine if Lebron James indicated it was his last season then during the post game pressers no one from the media even mentions it.

I'm sorry but the MX media as a whole is a complete joke.
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ns503 wrote:
IMO, the AMAs should hook up with MXGPs for some collaboration. One of the end results being we could watch both series on that one streaming...
IMO, the AMAs should hook up with MXGPs for some collaboration. One of the end results being we could watch both series on that one streaming platform. But the collaboration could go way beyond that and give each series a serious upshot. Imagine a couple select dual-series weekend events at the same venue, for one thing?

Edit: ya, I know, pipe dreams...
jeffro503 wrote:
Oh man......that right there is a perfect dream combo right there. We all love moto , and instead of competing against each other in broadcasts...
Oh man......that right there is a perfect dream combo right there. We all love moto , and instead of competing against each other in broadcasts , they could team up financially and show all the races......every where!

How freaking cool could that be?

MAV TV underestimated the viewership amount I think. The intrest is there , the money is there as well , as most everyone is willing to pay for a flawless broadcast. Someone needs to connect the damn dot's!
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We just got FIM out of SX and to a lesser extent MX. Let’s keep it that way please.
The FIM wouldn't necessarily need to 'get in' to the AMA series. A collaboration could result in most anything that could improve either series without giving up governance or ownership of that series. I'm sure Mav TV didn't get to have much say in the series itself when they collaborated for the broadcast.
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I wish I was a billionaire that could fund a LIV type of competing series or straight up just kill off what we're currently getting. The...
I wish I was a billionaire that could fund a LIV type of competing series or straight up just kill off what we're currently getting. The base of this sport is so abused and taken advantage of by all these guys that just seem to squeeze every last dime out of what it is instead of growing the sport. There is very weak leadership at the top.

1. Rider purses for outdoor nationals are GD joke. Without the riders filling the gates there is no product to sell.

2. A small fraction of moto guys even care about outdoors. Listen to the podcasts of a ton of pros the common theme "I hate racing the outdoors". Meet with the teams, riders, and sponsors and make it better for them.

3. Get back to the roots. I can only answer for the Texas scene, but there will be a bunch of tracks open this weekend for practice filled with people that don't even realize Red Bud is going on this weekend. Moto needs the amateur level of this sport thriving. There's no excitement behind pro racing outside of supercross.

4. Your series doesn't even cater to the core of your base. I understand California is HQ for moto but to skip over gigantic population states like Florida and Texas in favor of West Virginia, Maryland, Washington, Indiana, etc is a head scratcher. Swan is a national level track down here and has lights. I can't speak on Florida.
I agree with some of what you say but ther gates at the Nationals are full, There is room for 90 riders per class and this weekend 116 450 riders showed up, so some were turned away. So filling the gates is not one of the problems you alluded to. Low purse money didn't scare away anyone of the 116 riders. I agree more money for the riders would be great.
People always bitch about the problems but rarely come up with any solutions other than just pay them more. Where does this money come from?
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HusqFan3 wrote:
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions... Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX...
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions...

Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX only deal for next year. His dad then goes on record that next year will likely be his last yet no one has asked Eli in any of the post race presser's about this potentially/likely being the last time he races the nationals.

Can you imagine this happening in any other sport? Imagine if Lebron James indicated it was his last season then during the post game pressers no one from the media even mentions it.

I'm sorry but the MX media as a whole is a complete joke.
Great example . SX only contracts are not to be spoken of … apparently .
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Davey would absolutely come on my show. But I doubt he would talk about that. He would do that with his own platform. I will ask...
Davey would absolutely come on my show. But I doubt he would talk about that. He would do that with his own platform. I will ask him, though
Look Jamie, I respect what you do and all the BS you put up with from Pulp (I know it's in good fun)... BUT this is...
Look Jamie, I respect what you do and all the BS you put up with from Pulp (I know it's in good fun)...
BUT this is EXACTLY what we're talking about when it comes to journalism in this sport.
He won't talk about it? Of course he won't, because the precedent has been set for years that the truly hard questions won't be asked.
How dare the people who enable this sport to even be somewhat successful (weekend warriors, ticket-purchasers, website-vistors) want real answers about one of the biggest fails this sport has ever seen.
I don't know if DC was complicit in this failure, I don't know if he knew it was a risk and lied to us (I tend to think he didn't lie), and I definitely don't know where the train actually left the tracks.
We are left to speculate and wonder why. Which brings us back to your response....he won't answer.
I don't even expect him to come on here and subject himself to the irrational and all-knowing Vitards, that's a lose-lose for him.
We all just want answers, period. He SHOULD go on a podcast, or release a Weege-Style YouTube/Social Media video laying things out.
It's really unfortunate that probably won't happen. Hopefully Flo is a huge improvement...regardless, I think the PAYING customers who were promised a certain product at the beginning of the nationals deserve some real answers.
HusqFan3 wrote:
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions... Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX...
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions...

Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX only deal for next year. His dad then goes on record that next year will likely be his last yet no one has asked Eli in any of the post race presser's about this potentially/likely being the last time he races the nationals.

Can you imagine this happening in any other sport? Imagine if Lebron James indicated it was his last season then during the post game pressers no one from the media even mentions it.

I'm sorry but the MX media as a whole is a complete joke.
I’m the one who did that interview with John.

And yes, it’s been brought up a bit in press conference and a couple interviews I’ve seen about possibly Eli’s last time at certain tracks. Just my opinion, but Eli is not the kind of rider I’d ask about that every week. I don’t think you’d get a good interview at that point.

If we’re all such jokes, then it shouldn’t be too hard for someone to do a better job…
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ns503 wrote:
The FIM wouldn't necessarily need to 'get in' to the AMA series. A collaboration could result in most anything that could improve either series without giving...
The FIM wouldn't necessarily need to 'get in' to the AMA series. A collaboration could result in most anything that could improve either series without giving up governance or ownership of that series. I'm sure Mav TV didn't get to have much say in the series itself when they collaborated for the broadcast.
The fim and Infront have nothing to add to the nationals , look at the rider numbers at the gps compared to the nationals ,

The promoters and the manufacturers still want network tv , the hard core fan just wants to he able to watch the races easily, someone has to give , this is about the only thing mxgp does better
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Look Jamie, I respect what you do and all the BS you put up with from Pulp (I know it's in good fun)... BUT this is...
Look Jamie, I respect what you do and all the BS you put up with from Pulp (I know it's in good fun)...
BUT this is EXACTLY what we're talking about when it comes to journalism in this sport.
He won't talk about it? Of course he won't, because the precedent has been set for years that the truly hard questions won't be asked.
How dare the people who enable this sport to even be somewhat successful (weekend warriors, ticket-purchasers, website-vistors) want real answers about one of the biggest fails this sport has ever seen.
I don't know if DC was complicit in this failure, I don't know if he knew it was a risk and lied to us (I tend to think he didn't lie), and I definitely don't know where the train actually left the tracks.
We are left to speculate and wonder why. Which brings us back to your response....he won't answer.
I don't even expect him to come on here and subject himself to the irrational and all-knowing Vitards, that's a lose-lose for him.
We all just want answers, period. He SHOULD go on a podcast, or release a Weege-Style YouTube/Social Media video laying things out.
It's really unfortunate that probably won't happen. Hopefully Flo is a huge improvement...regardless, I think the PAYING customers who were promised a certain product at the beginning of the nationals deserve some real answers.
HusqFan3 wrote:
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions... Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX...
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions...

Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX only deal for next year. His dad then goes on record that next year will likely be his last yet no one has asked Eli in any of the post race presser's about this potentially/likely being the last time he races the nationals.

Can you imagine this happening in any other sport? Imagine if Lebron James indicated it was his last season then during the post game pressers no one from the media even mentions it.

I'm sorry but the MX media as a whole is a complete joke.
ML512 wrote:
I’m the one who did that interview with John. And yes, it’s been brought up a bit in press conference and a couple interviews I’ve seen...
I’m the one who did that interview with John.

And yes, it’s been brought up a bit in press conference and a couple interviews I’ve seen about possibly Eli’s last time at certain tracks. Just my opinion, but Eli is not the kind of rider I’d ask about that every week. I don’t think you’d get a good interview at that point.

If we’re all such jokes, then it shouldn’t be too hard for someone to do a better job…
When? I've watched every post race presser and haven't seen any reference what so ever. Not even something as simple and easy as "what are the chances this was the last time we'll see you line up at ______ and if so, what will you remember most about racing here".

And just for the record, ML you're one of the few reasons i qualified my statement with "MX media as a whole".

I'll also concede that MavTV and their infinite wisdom is partially at fault given they appear to have gotten rid of the one good thing to come out of Covid.... That being allowing the media to attend post race pressers virtually which had an immediate and immense impact on the # and quality of questions. Last weekend the 450 riders were asked a combined 1(lame) question outside of the moderator. Pathetic.
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HusqFan3 wrote:
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions... Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX...
A-freakin-men.... And hard questions, they won't even ask the easy questions...

Example- One of the greatest riders in the history of the sport(Eli Tomac) signs SX only deal for next year. His dad then goes on record that next year will likely be his last yet no one has asked Eli in any of the post race presser's about this potentially/likely being the last time he races the nationals.

Can you imagine this happening in any other sport? Imagine if Lebron James indicated it was his last season then during the post game pressers no one from the media even mentions it.

I'm sorry but the MX media as a whole is a complete joke.
ML512 wrote:
I’m the one who did that interview with John. And yes, it’s been brought up a bit in press conference and a couple interviews I’ve seen...
I’m the one who did that interview with John.

And yes, it’s been brought up a bit in press conference and a couple interviews I’ve seen about possibly Eli’s last time at certain tracks. Just my opinion, but Eli is not the kind of rider I’d ask about that every week. I don’t think you’d get a good interview at that point.

If we’re all such jokes, then it shouldn’t be too hard for someone to do a better job…
HusqFan3 wrote:
When? I've watched every post race presser and haven't seen any reference what so ever. Not even something as simple and easy as "what are the...
When? I've watched every post race presser and haven't seen any reference what so ever. Not even something as simple and easy as "what are the chances this was the last time we'll see you line up at ______ and if so, what will you remember most about racing here".

And just for the record, ML you're one of the few reasons i qualified my statement with "MX media as a whole".

I'll also concede that MavTV and their infinite wisdom is partially at fault given they appear to have gotten rid of the one good thing to come out of Covid.... That being allowing the media to attend post race pressers virtually which had an immediate and immense impact on the # and quality of questions. Last weekend the 450 riders were asked a combined 1(lame) question outside of the moderator. Pathetic.
We’ve been pushed to only for interviews after the race in this media corral area and not being allowed to go truck to truck. The time the riders are at this corral area is at the same time the press conference happens. So example, I’d be in that interviewing guys who finished around 10th to 4th who aren’t in the press conference and by the time we’re done with that the press conference has wrapped up, the top 3 walk out and join that media corral. In most of our cases, we don’t have two people to do interviews that can attend one each. So the press conference has lower media attendance.
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