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That's great.

You should really watch the January 6th hearings. Next one's two hours.

You'll learn a lot.
freeh wrote:
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray...
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray Epps and his involvement. You probably won't hear his name in the hearings.
RCMXracing wrote:
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up...
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up to DT and his attempt to turn our country from a Democracy to an authoritarian government. There were many that were on Nixon’s side until the truth came out. Wake up now or later, eventually you will or maybe rant until your time on earth is done.

I’ll vote for anyone that believes that America is a great country because of our democracy and want to see it continue.
Does anyone honestly believe he led a coup against democracy? If you believe that, there is no convincing you otherwise. I watched it all live, as did most of you I am sure. I don't agree with what the protesters did, but I do not believe any of them actually wanted to overthrow the government. And I definitely don't believe Trump somehow led them into anything. I admit he probably could have done more to stop the protest.

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That's great.

You should really watch the January 6th hearings. Next one's two hours.

You'll learn a lot.
freeh wrote:
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray...
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray Epps and his involvement. You probably won't hear his name in the hearings.
Ray Epps was interviewed by the January 6th commission in January. You obviously believe he was an FBI ‘agitator’, maybe he was an informant. Evidence and...
Ray Epps was interviewed by the January 6th commission in January. You obviously believe he was an FBI ‘agitator’, maybe he was an informant. Evidence and testimony from other Jan 6th defendants suggest he was probably neither.

As RCMX said; you might want to start revisiting what you think you know, because January 6th isn’t simply about what happened on that day alone. The people in greatest legal peril are those involved in events leading up to it.

If you believe in democracy, the rule of law and your own constitution, I suggest you watch the hearings.

Ray Epps was a key instigator in the events leading up to and including that day. Did they show the footage of him inciting the crowd the night before that they need to go in to the capital building the next day?
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freeh wrote:
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray...
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray Epps and his involvement. You probably won't hear his name in the hearings.
RCMXracing wrote:
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up...
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up to DT and his attempt to turn our country from a Democracy to an authoritarian government. There were many that were on Nixon’s side until the truth came out. Wake up now or later, eventually you will or maybe rant until your time on earth is done.

I’ll vote for anyone that believes that America is a great country because of our democracy and want to see it continue.
freeh wrote:
Does anyone honestly believe he led a coup against democracy? If you believe that, there is no convincing you otherwise. I watched it all live, as...
Does anyone honestly believe he led a coup against democracy? If you believe that, there is no convincing you otherwise. I watched it all live, as did most of you I am sure. I don't agree with what the protesters did, but I do not believe any of them actually wanted to overthrow the government. And I definitely don't believe Trump somehow led them into anything. I admit he probably could have done more to stop the protest.

They wanted to stop the peaceful transfer of power. How can there be any denying that? They were actually successful, for a few hours. Some of them were calling for Mike Pences head for chrissakes.

Partisan blindness, or cultism? Moving more to the middle might clear the view a bit.
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6/24/2022 6:21am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2022 6:22am
This honestly looks to me like the people who went to great lengths to steal an expensive car is ganging up to try to demonize the people who went to great lengths to keep it from being stolen.

All the while creating a huge Carnival like diversion to distract everyone from seeing how much damage they have inflicted on that car from entering it in a demolition derby.

Sadly, it will be found on jack stands and totally stripped very soon.
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I have not been watching the hearings. I have a job. Have they investigated where the pipe bombs came from?
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str8line wrote:
Gworm wrote:
This honestly looks to me like the people who went to great lengths to steal an expensive car is ganging up to try to demonize the...
This honestly looks to me like the people who went to great lengths to steal an expensive car is ganging up to try to demonize the people who went to great lengths to keep it from being stolen.

All the while creating a huge Carnival like diversion to distract everyone from seeing how much damage they have inflicted on that car from entering it in a demolition derby.

Sadly, it will be found on jack stands and totally stripped very soon.
Except most of the car thieves are spilling the beans on their ring leader.
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Except most of the car thieves are spilling the beans on their ring leader.
More like the ones who were supposed to help the one trying to stop the thieves turned on him to keep away from the wrath of the crazies that stole the car.

Or for some were originally in on it.

The swamp is deep.
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ns503 wrote:
Except most of the car thieves are spilling the beans on their ring leader.
Gworm wrote:
More like the ones who were supposed to help the one trying to stop the thieves turned on him to keep away from the wrath of...
More like the ones who were supposed to help the one trying to stop the thieves turned on him to keep away from the wrath of the crazies that stole the car.

Or for some were originally in on it.

The swamp is deep.
Trump's daughter agreeing with Bill Barr that Trump was trying to sell bullshit means they are part of the swamp now too? All these Republican's from the Department of Justice with recordings and notes of Trump trying his damnedest to coerce them are part of the swamp? LOL.
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As someone not from the US, its wild how different the political spectrum is there. Heck, most of our Conservative politicians over the last 20 years would be considered pinko leftists down there.

Having said that, in the grand scheme of things, even your Dems are closer to center/center right than "Far left" speaking from a global point of view. People like Trump and DeSantis are extremely far right everywhere BUT the US.
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freeh wrote:
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray...
No, I would not. Those hearings are a dog and pony intended to provide a false narrative to the uneducated and easily manipulated. Look up Ray Epps and his involvement. You probably won't hear his name in the hearings.
RCMXracing wrote:
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up...
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up to DT and his attempt to turn our country from a Democracy to an authoritarian government. There were many that were on Nixon’s side until the truth came out. Wake up now or later, eventually you will or maybe rant until your time on earth is done.

I’ll vote for anyone that believes that America is a great country because of our democracy and want to see it continue.
freeh wrote:
Does anyone honestly believe he led a coup against democracy? If you believe that, there is no convincing you otherwise. I watched it all live, as...
Does anyone honestly believe he led a coup against democracy? If you believe that, there is no convincing you otherwise. I watched it all live, as did most of you I am sure. I don't agree with what the protesters did, but I do not believe any of them actually wanted to overthrow the government. And I definitely don't believe Trump somehow led them into anything. I admit he probably could have done more to stop the protest.

100% an attempted coup.
It’s way beyond the events that took place on Jan 6, it’s everything he did leading up to the 6th that will bring criminal charges to many. The fake elector scheme is a clear attempt to defraud the government and the American people. Then you’ve got coercion of state officials which is election tampering.

January 6th was coordinated with the proud boys and oath keepers as a Hail Mary to keep Pence from opening the states’ electoral votes and certifying the election results. The idea being it could be thrown back to the state legislatures to decide and or a vote in the house.
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bh84 wrote:
As someone not from the US, its wild how different the political spectrum is there. Heck, most of our Conservative politicians over the last 20 years...
As someone not from the US, its wild how different the political spectrum is there. Heck, most of our Conservative politicians over the last 20 years would be considered pinko leftists down there.

Having said that, in the grand scheme of things, even your Dems are closer to center/center right than "Far left" speaking from a global point of view. People like Trump and DeSantis are extremely far right everywhere BUT the US.
Which is why it sounds so absurd when Americans conservatives use the term ‘radical left’, or worry about communism.
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6/24/2022 9:35am
In times like these we need just look to the Simpsons

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Well if Trump was trying to steal back the election, I sure am glad he failed…

I’m loving the $5 gas and all of the other great things that Brandon has blessed us with.
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6/24/2022 9:59am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2022 10:55am
It's funny how both parties have complained about elections for over 20 years, but nothing is done to stop it.

Civil disobedience on both sides is sadly becoming the norm. Except the disobedience is is called an insurrection when one side does it and a peaceful protest by the media when the other side does it.

People don't like it when civil disobedience is directed at policies they support.

BTW, bh84, your one look at the 2020 Democratic party primary candidates, should tell you they are far left. Coming from Canada, where the socialist left is popular, you can't understand it and I get that.

Saunders, Warren, Yang, Diblasio, Mayor Pete, Kamala, Gillibrand Julian Castro, Booker, among others One guy actually admits he's a socialist, the other never met a tax she didn't like and plays the class warfare games, the next guy wants everyone to get a "living wage" from the government, Diblasio wants to be like the former USSR. Pete thinks roads are racist,

I mean you could go on and on, they are not center Nuffin. They would be considered radical leftists and disowned by the party not so long ago. Go back a few cycles in elections and you will see, those types were no taken seriously, practically laughed off of the podiums

According to the global socialist movement JFK was a radical far righty. Probably right up there with Trump and Desantis.

These people are not center anything.as far as American politics.
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ns503 wrote:
Except most of the car thieves are spilling the beans on their ring leader.
Gworm wrote:
More like the ones who were supposed to help the one trying to stop the thieves turned on him to keep away from the wrath of...
More like the ones who were supposed to help the one trying to stop the thieves turned on him to keep away from the wrath of the crazies that stole the car.

Or for some were originally in on it.

The swamp is deep.
str8line wrote:
Trump's daughter agreeing with Bill Barr that Trump was trying to sell bullshit means they are part of the swamp now too? All these Republican's from...
Trump's daughter agreeing with Bill Barr that Trump was trying to sell bullshit means they are part of the swamp now too? All these Republican's from the Department of Justice with recordings and notes of Trump trying his damnedest to coerce them are part of the swamp? LOL.
That’s his reply to everything . The conspiracy just gets bigger and bigger … it isn’t even funny anymore , just pitiful .
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6/24/2022 10:16am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2022 10:18am
RCMXracing wrote:
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up...
You don’t want to hear the truth. That’s what cult members do, ignore the facts and bury their heads in the sand. Real patriots stood up to DT and his attempt to turn our country from a Democracy to an authoritarian government. There were many that were on Nixon’s side until the truth came out. Wake up now or later, eventually you will or maybe rant until your time on earth is done.

I’ll vote for anyone that believes that America is a great country because of our democracy and want to see it continue.
freeh wrote:
Does anyone honestly believe he led a coup against democracy? If you believe that, there is no convincing you otherwise. I watched it all live, as...
Does anyone honestly believe he led a coup against democracy? If you believe that, there is no convincing you otherwise. I watched it all live, as did most of you I am sure. I don't agree with what the protesters did, but I do not believe any of them actually wanted to overthrow the government. And I definitely don't believe Trump somehow led them into anything. I admit he probably could have done more to stop the protest.

RCMXracing wrote:
100% an attempted coup. It’s way beyond the events that took place on Jan 6, it’s everything he did leading up to the 6th that will...
100% an attempted coup.
It’s way beyond the events that took place on Jan 6, it’s everything he did leading up to the 6th that will bring criminal charges to many. The fake elector scheme is a clear attempt to defraud the government and the American people. Then you’ve got coercion of state officials which is election tampering.

January 6th was coordinated with the proud boys and oath keepers as a Hail Mary to keep Pence from opening the states’ electoral votes and certifying the election results. The idea being it could be thrown back to the state legislatures to decide and or a vote in the house.
“Criminal charges to many”


I love the fact that when Trump took over there were a lot of people that wanted him to investigate Hillary’s crimes and lock her up, but the so called cooler heads said that only a banana republic goes after their political adversaries and jails them.

Now these same people are going after their political adversaries and talking about jailing them.

Not one bit of hypocrisy here.
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What qualities do you see don jr having for you to want him to be president ?
Not being a Democrat is enough .

But seriously, there needs to be a look at the whole thing... people like Biden should not exist. Never had a proper job, career politicians are a danger to everyone.


Need people who have success in business , who have generated their own wealth , not siphoned it off the tax payer.

In 12 years time, there will be a natural successor, Desantis has made a huge impact in the last 4 years, i see a lot of opportunity for some similar advancement from others.

It would be nice to see what having a few people being jailed for treason does for the balance of things.
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6/24/2022 10:24am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2022 10:25am
str8line wrote:
Trump's daughter agreeing with Bill Barr that Trump was trying to sell bullshit means they are part of the swamp now too? All these Republican's from...
Trump's daughter agreeing with Bill Barr that Trump was trying to sell bullshit means they are part of the swamp now too? All these Republican's from the Department of Justice with recordings and notes of Trump trying his damnedest to coerce them are part of the swamp? LOL.
Actually Ivanka said she respected Barr and that she “accepted “ what he said. These days I have to accept a lot of things I don’t agree with.

Also, as Trump said, she wasn’t really keeping up with the situation, which does seem odd to me.

And I think someone has Barr’s dog tied up somewhere, or he was just already in the swamp.
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6/24/2022 10:50am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2022 10:58am
Don had his opportunity and he himself is his own worst enemy. He opened some eyes and spoke publicly what most politicians say behind closed doors. He had some successful policy implementations but swung the pendulum a little too far too fast. Now the pendulum has shifted wide in the other direction. Hopefully someone with a more balanced approach can take office, reduce the country's debt and increase our GDP all the while doing it in a civil manner while uniting our species rather than seek to divide and conquer. But It's not the way the culture was programmed recently. 0's and 1's
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scott_nz wrote:
What qualities do you see don jr having for you to want him to be president ?
philG wrote:
Not being a Democrat is enough . But seriously, there needs to be a look at the whole thing... people like Biden should not exist. Never...
Not being a Democrat is enough .

But seriously, there needs to be a look at the whole thing... people like Biden should not exist. Never had a proper job, career politicians are a danger to everyone.


Need people who have success in business , who have generated their own wealth , not siphoned it off the tax payer.

In 12 years time, there will be a natural successor, Desantis has made a huge impact in the last 4 years, i see a lot of opportunity for some similar advancement from others.

It would be nice to see what having a few people being jailed for treason does for the balance of things.
You don't get jailed for treason; you get put to death.

I'm afraid that's too slippery a slope toward the banana republic mentioned above. Nobody's going to get convicted of treason. (Even if some of them should.)
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If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last 8ish years.
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TDeath21 wrote:
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last...
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last 8ish years.
What do you mean shifted heavily to the right? Can you give an example?
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borg wrote:
When I think of the best model for a Republican President, I think of Ronald Reagan. Maybe Desantis is that guy, I don't know. But I...
When I think of the best model for a Republican President, I think of Ronald Reagan. Maybe Desantis is that guy, I don't know. But I know who isn't. Best thing for the country and the Republican party is for someone to put Trump out to pasture.
So like myself and 80 Million others your like us.
Have someone in the WH that isn't a life long Politician who has the best interest of America FIRST?

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TDeath21 wrote:
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last...
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last 8ish years.
tuggy450 wrote:
What do you mean shifted heavily to the right? Can you give an example?
He's trying to say...
When the Dems go FULL ON Communist the Responsible folks need to hold up the Constitution our Fore-Fathers set forth
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You don't get jailed for treason; you get put to death. I'm afraid that's too slippery a slope toward the banana republic mentioned above. Nobody's going...
You don't get jailed for treason; you get put to death.

I'm afraid that's too slippery a slope toward the banana republic mentioned above. Nobody's going to get convicted of treason. (Even if some of them should.)
"You don't get jailed for treason; you get put to death."
Not if your a Democrat
Ask the Clinton's, Today another "AID" didn't want to live any longer so he hung himself then shot himself with a shotgun. then took the shotgun away, put himself in the nose and died till someone found him.

Makes sense ... .right?
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6/25/2022 4:29am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2022 4:48am
borg wrote:
When I think of the best model for a Republican President, I think of Ronald Reagan. Maybe Desantis is that guy, I don't know. But I...
When I think of the best model for a Republican President, I think of Ronald Reagan. Maybe Desantis is that guy, I don't know. But I know who isn't. Best thing for the country and the Republican party is for someone to put Trump out to pasture.
So like myself and 80 Million others your like us. Have someone in the WH that isn't a life long Politician who has the best interest...
So like myself and 80 Million others your like us.
Have someone in the WH that isn't a life long Politician who has the best interest of America FIRST?

"Have someone in the WH that isn't a life long Politician who has the best interest of America FIRST?"
Not being a lifelong politician is not a major criteria that I would require and having the best interest of America first is something every single politician I have ever heard says they have. It's why I have absolutely no loyalty to any particular politician, party or group. My loyalty is to ideas. Not people. People are seriously fucked up. Especially people who idolize somebody to the point where they shed their own sense of right and wrong.
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TDeath21 wrote:
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last...
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last 8ish years.
tuggy450 wrote:
What do you mean shifted heavily to the right? Can you give an example?
They’ve gotten more authoritarian. Much stricter on immigration. Really started pushing pro-life legislation. Slashed corporate taxes. I could name others. Those are all policies that push further right. The Democrats are pushing left and the Republicans are pushing right. We are becoming more polarized. Research shows Republicans are pushing further right than Democrats are to the left. It all started with the Tea Party Movement and has been expanded on ever since.
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6/25/2022 8:11am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2022 3:48pm
TDeath21 wrote:
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last...
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last 8ish years.
tuggy450 wrote:
What do you mean shifted heavily to the right? Can you give an example?
TDeath21 wrote:
They’ve gotten more authoritarian. Much stricter on immigration. Really started pushing pro-life legislation. Slashed corporate taxes. I could name others. Those are all policies that push...
They’ve gotten more authoritarian. Much stricter on immigration. Really started pushing pro-life legislation. Slashed corporate taxes. I could name others. Those are all policies that push further right. The Democrats are pushing left and the Republicans are pushing right. We are becoming more polarized. Research shows Republicans are pushing further right than Democrats are to the left. It all started with the Tea Party Movement and has been expanded on ever since.
The latest piece of the puzzle is the ability to sublimity inject a forced opinion and persuade someones conscience at any given moment, 24/7. Aka the smart phone. We are no longer contemplatives.
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TDeath21 wrote:
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last...
If Trump runs he will get the nomination. The Republican Party is now the Party of Trump. They’ve shifted heavily to the right in the last 8ish years.
tuggy450 wrote:
What do you mean shifted heavily to the right? Can you give an example?
He's trying to say...
When the Dems go FULL ON Communist the Responsible folks need to hold up the Constitution our Fore-Fathers set forth
Evidence the Democrats are going full communist? Anyone to the left of far right isn’t communist just so you know.
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T death 21 said

"Research shows Republicans are pushing further right than Democrats are to the left."


Research by who? The Washington post?

The left has effectively left the border unattended, biological men are swimming against women, they can't even define what a woman is anymore, and so much more absolutely bizarre stuff yet the right is the position that has "pushed"?
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