World SX has the chance to remake the sport.

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Yesterday I was listening to some podcast (Pretty sure it was Blair's) and they were talking about World SX next year and that factory teams would not be putting riders in World SX.

Where I think it could change the sport is it could grow independent teams. Even if you like MX more than SX you have to admit it's a tougher way to make a living. The tracks aren't near city centers, conditions are generally worse than in a stadium. What if a rider like Kenny would rather just race SX all year long? He could sign with a satellite team that isn't controlled by the manufacturer. We could see a rise of independent teams getting backdoor support and factory teams losing top guys.

If a guy can make the same or more money to race indoors all year he'd be silly not to.
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All it takes is money in a sport that doesn't have much.
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All it takes is money in a sport that doesn't have much.
Correct. World SX is taking a huge gamble. It ain't no MotoGP which pulls in access of 70 thousand fans at the event and Millions of TV viewers.

The US is the home of SX and I can't see that changing.

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All fun until someone is hurt really bad and stuck in a random country and can't get home for the medical attention they want and need.
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BMc914 wrote:
All fun until someone is hurt really bad and stuck in a random country and can't get home for the medical attention they want and need.
Exactly what I've said.
F1, moto, and other top flight racing series have first class traveling doctors, and medical facilities.
They personally know all of the racers.

Will this series have the same level of trauma care ??
The riders, and teams deserve no less.
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All it takes is money in a sport that doesn't have much.
Boomslang wrote:
Correct. World SX is taking a huge gamble. It ain't no MotoGP which pulls in access of 70 thousand fans at the event and Millions of...
Correct. World SX is taking a huge gamble. It ain't no MotoGP which pulls in access of 70 thousand fans at the event and Millions of TV viewers.

The US is the home of SX and I can't see that changing.

Exactly, I don't think it will challenge US SX.

It is designed to be competition and an alternative to the outdoor nationals.
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It could remake the sport, or it could end up bankrupt in a couple of years. They have an aggressive plan to pay the teams $10 million a year, on top of their operational expenses. With the riders they'll attract the first couple of years I don't see the sponsorship and TV revenue covering anywhere close to their expenses. How long will the investors allow them to operate at a loss before pulling the plug?
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I love how they are doing world sx.... but... there is barely enough "talent" to go around with just one series... this will only water down the field for both series off the start...

But 5-10 yrs down the road... I think this brings an end to guys racing indoors and out... I think it will lead to young racers having to pick, then specialize in, either indoors or out.... and that I am not a fan of...
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gt80rider wrote:
I love how they are doing world sx.... but... there is barely enough "talent" to go around with just one series... this will only water down...
I love how they are doing world sx.... but... there is barely enough "talent" to go around with just one series... this will only water down the field for both series off the start...

But 5-10 yrs down the road... I think this brings an end to guys racing indoors and out... I think it will lead to young racers having to pick, then specialize in, either indoors or out.... and that I am not a fan of...
I'm sure there are a lot of guys looking at the career that Brayton has had and would love the same income and longevity

I like the idea of more racing to watch, I hate the idea of the nationals losing talented racers and having two watered down series. .
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GrapeApe wrote:
It could remake the sport, or it could end up bankrupt in a couple of years. They have an aggressive plan to pay the teams $10...
It could remake the sport, or it could end up bankrupt in a couple of years. They have an aggressive plan to pay the teams $10 million a year, on top of their operational expenses. With the riders they'll attract the first couple of years I don't see the sponsorship and TV revenue covering anywhere close to their expenses. How long will the investors allow them to operate at a loss before pulling the plug?
Really? $10 million above operating costs? That's insane. What are they paying them for, exactly?
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this sounds like it will be as successful as vince mcmahon and the XFL!
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5/26/2022 1:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2022 1:44pm
It has the opportunity for a cart vs irl split Open wheel racing too. Hopefully it doesn’t

Taking on the US nationals is a big call. The USA is the biggest market in the world for dirt bikes by a long way and the buyers of bikes and parts like the nationals
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GrapeApe wrote:
It could remake the sport, or it could end up bankrupt in a couple of years. They have an aggressive plan to pay the teams $10...
It could remake the sport, or it could end up bankrupt in a couple of years. They have an aggressive plan to pay the teams $10 million a year, on top of their operational expenses. With the riders they'll attract the first couple of years I don't see the sponsorship and TV revenue covering anywhere close to their expenses. How long will the investors allow them to operate at a loss before pulling the plug?
Moto Nomad wrote:
Really? $10 million above operating costs? That's insane. What are they paying them for, exactly?
Each of the 10 teams gets $1 million per year from the promoter for the first 5 years. It is my understanding that is to offset the teams' travel related expenses. Total of $50 million they have committed, and that doesn't include operational expenses for the traveling show.
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It's hard to fight clear channel/live Nation or whoever controls most non stick and ball sports events booking in stadiums. I haven't looked it up in years but clear channel owned 70% of major metropolitan non hispanic radio stations. Which is just the same 10 song commercial all day mostly to promote stadium concerts. Massive control over stadiums
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More racing is good of course.
Still, this is a one time project, gone and forgotten soon, if it ever starts!?
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scott_nz wrote:
It has the opportunity for a cart vs irl split Open wheel racing too. Hopefully it doesn’t Taking on the US nationals is a big call...
It has the opportunity for a cart vs irl split Open wheel racing too. Hopefully it doesn’t

Taking on the US nationals is a big call. The USA is the biggest market in the world for dirt bikes by a long way and the buyers of bikes and parts like the nationals
I've thought CART v IRL myself which was as ugly as it gets.

As far as taking on the nationals, we all love them myself included but put yourself in the position of a rider. If you race SX all year long you have only one sport to prepare for and SX is quite a bit easier on the body so you could lengthen your career by 2 to 3 years.
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Remake the sport lol
yep...HaHa!
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All it takes is money in a sport that doesn't have much.
Boomslang wrote:
Correct. World SX is taking a huge gamble. It ain't no MotoGP which pulls in access of 70 thousand fans at the event and Millions of...
Correct. World SX is taking a huge gamble. It ain't no MotoGP which pulls in access of 70 thousand fans at the event and Millions of TV viewers.

The US is the home of SX and I can't see that changing.

McG194 wrote:
Exactly, I don't think it will challenge US SX.

It is designed to be competition and an alternative to the outdoor nationals.
Yes, this is a danger to the future of the Nationals being what they are now.
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scott_nz wrote:
It has the opportunity for a cart vs irl split Open wheel racing too. Hopefully it doesn’t Taking on the US nationals is a big call...
It has the opportunity for a cart vs irl split Open wheel racing too. Hopefully it doesn’t

Taking on the US nationals is a big call. The USA is the biggest market in the world for dirt bikes by a long way and the buyers of bikes and parts like the nationals
McG194 wrote:
I've thought CART v IRL myself which was as ugly as it gets. As far as taking on the nationals, we all love them myself included...
I've thought CART v IRL myself which was as ugly as it gets.

As far as taking on the nationals, we all love them myself included but put yourself in the position of a rider. If you race SX all year long you have only one sport to prepare for and SX is quite a bit easier on the body so you could lengthen your career by 2 to 3 years.
I'm confused on how it's easier on your body? SX has a much higher injury rate.
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Boomslang wrote:
Correct. World SX is taking a huge gamble. It ain't no MotoGP which pulls in access of 70 thousand fans at the event and Millions of...
Correct. World SX is taking a huge gamble. It ain't no MotoGP which pulls in access of 70 thousand fans at the event and Millions of TV viewers.

The US is the home of SX and I can't see that changing.

McG194 wrote:
Exactly, I don't think it will challenge US SX.

It is designed to be competition and an alternative to the outdoor nationals.
kpiper wrote:
Yes, this is a danger to the future of the Nationals being what they are now.
And time is running out for DC and MX Sports to do something to preserve outdoor pro MX in America.

The new TV and streaming package isn’t helping, either.

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No matter what way you look at it youre getting 2nd string supercross racers in world sx. Tomac webb anderson ac and the like arent going to leave the real series to race world sx. Its a massive gamble
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I'm confused on how it's easier on your body? SX has a much higher injury rate.
Prove it.
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BMc914 wrote:
All fun until someone is hurt really bad and stuck in a random country and can't get home for the medical attention they want and need.
so by that logic the Dakar rally is a complete failure and not fun because people get hurt in countries that doing worse economically? I don't think people are going to wake up in a hospital in Bolivia with a broken femur like Toby Price
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kb228 wrote:
No matter what way you look at it youre getting 2nd string supercross racers in world sx. Tomac webb anderson ac and the like arent going...
No matter what way you look at it youre getting 2nd string supercross racers in world sx. Tomac webb anderson ac and the like arent going to leave the real series to race world sx. Its a massive gamble
That is the whole point I'm making, the money they are throwing around or say they are throwing around has a chance to really change some minds.

Example how it could work:

Honda wants to stick with the SX and Outdoor national model.

Ken Roczen decides he doesn't want to race outdoors anymore.

Mike Genova throws a bunch of money at Kenny and says he can race both SX series and make the same or more money.

This may be a perfect avenue for a team like JGR to get back into racing. I'm sure ML512 can confirm it costs way more to run nationals than the SX season.

It all may not happen but there is a potential for a perfect storm here to change the face of racing in America.
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scott_nz wrote:
It has the opportunity for a cart vs irl split Open wheel racing too. Hopefully it doesn’t Taking on the US nationals is a big call...
It has the opportunity for a cart vs irl split Open wheel racing too. Hopefully it doesn’t

Taking on the US nationals is a big call. The USA is the biggest market in the world for dirt bikes by a long way and the buyers of bikes and parts like the nationals
McG194 wrote:
I've thought CART v IRL myself which was as ugly as it gets. As far as taking on the nationals, we all love them myself included...
I've thought CART v IRL myself which was as ugly as it gets.

As far as taking on the nationals, we all love them myself included but put yourself in the position of a rider. If you race SX all year long you have only one sport to prepare for and SX is quite a bit easier on the body so you could lengthen your career by 2 to 3 years.
I'm confused on how it's easier on your body? SX has a much higher injury rate.
Yes, SX is gnarly as a mother, but speeds are far greater outdoors and if the injuries aren't worse the toll on the body is worse. Look at Chase Sexton after the WW Ranch national. Dudes have died outdoors.
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Personally, not a fan of it. I look at it in the same light as the Four Stroke Nationals etc. Elite riders will always go where the best compete and where the money is.
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McG194 wrote:
Yes, SX is gnarly as a mother, but speeds are far greater outdoors and if the injuries aren't worse the toll on the body is worse...
Yes, SX is gnarly as a mother, but speeds are far greater outdoors and if the injuries aren't worse the toll on the body is worse. Look at Chase Sexton after the WW Ranch national. Dudes have died outdoors.
Dudes have died on supercross tracks as well. Your whole theory of “changing the face of racing in America” is just very very far out. Did you say that when the fim had a World Series in the 00’s as well? You guys want to see a bunch of retired dudes and LCQ hero’s race on “supercross” tracks?
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I could see Tomac skipping the Nationals next summer and instead riding the World SX. If he does that many others could/would follow.

Supercross is easier to train for and race, physically, as far as endurance goes. That is why riders start doing just SX as they get older.
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McG194 wrote:
Yes, SX is gnarly as a mother, but speeds are far greater outdoors and if the injuries aren't worse the toll on the body is worse...
Yes, SX is gnarly as a mother, but speeds are far greater outdoors and if the injuries aren't worse the toll on the body is worse. Look at Chase Sexton after the WW Ranch national. Dudes have died outdoors.
Dudes have died on supercross tracks as well. Your whole theory of “changing the face of racing in America” is just very very far out. Did...
Dudes have died on supercross tracks as well. Your whole theory of “changing the face of racing in America” is just very very far out. Did you say that when the fim had a World Series in the 00’s as well? You guys want to see a bunch of retired dudes and LCQ hero’s race on “supercross” tracks?
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL Europe where a couple scrappy dudes might get discovered. The more I think about how it is setting up and hearing how current riders talk about outdoors it could be a contender. I'm not rooting for it to hurt the nationals, I would prefer the World SX to be a couple notches below but it could be a force. As mentioned above Eli only has a SX contract for next year. If someone offers him a half a million bucks to race World SX how could he refuse?

***I never said it was likely to happen, I'm just connecting dots and spitballing. It has a chance.***
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