#7: MXGP of Italy - May 7-8

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Cortami79 5/8/2022 7:29am
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Where is Conrad Mewse?
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Cortami79 5/8/2022 8:31am
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Watson doing great
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Fox88 5/8/2022 8:37am
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yeah, that start was impressive!!

Timmy the first few laps they showed him coming thru was amazing riding, he clears everything perfectly.
crusty_xx 5/8/2022 8:41am
5/8/2022 8:41am
Damn we've gone from one of the best MXGP seasons ever to what's looking like a Snoozer for the rest of the season.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/8/2022 8:43am
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crusty_xx wrote:
Damn we've gone from one of the best MXGP seasons ever to what's looking like a Snoozer for the rest of the season.
Just gonna say that myself. Switched it off with 2 laps to go.
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Juck 5/8/2022 8:48am
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Cortami79 wrote:
Where is Conrad Mewse?
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Motocrossjunky 5/8/2022 9:28am
5/8/2022 9:28am
crusty_xx wrote:
Damn we've gone from one of the best MXGP seasons ever to what's looking like a Snoozer for the rest of the season.
Incredibly boring. Bring on the Outdoors
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USA 5/8/2022 9:29am
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I totally missed this, where is Prado?
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ATKpilot99 5/8/2022 9:33am
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I totally missed this, where is Prado?
Injured in a practice crash .
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Park Boys 5/8/2022 9:34am
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crusty_xx wrote:
Damn we've gone from one of the best MXGP seasons ever to what's looking like a Snoozer for the rest of the season.
Not if your a Gajser fan! Watching him this year is just like watching AC in his prime KTM years. Ride around in the beginning and then “flip” the switch and go. His mental edge on everyone racing is massive right now.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/8/2022 9:50am
5/8/2022 9:50am
crusty_xx wrote:
Damn we've gone from one of the best MXGP seasons ever to what's looking like a Snoozer for the rest of the season.
Park Boys wrote:
Not if your a Gajser fan! Watching him this year is just like watching AC in his prime KTM years. Ride around in the beginning and...
Not if your a Gajser fan! Watching him this year is just like watching AC in his prime KTM years. Ride around in the beginning and then “flip” the switch and go. His mental edge on everyone racing is massive right now.
Also helps that his 4 main rivals aren’t riding.
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cesar_rc4 5/8/2022 1:07pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
Damn we've gone from one of the best MXGP seasons ever to what's looking like a Snoozer for the rest of the season.
totally agree...Gajser can take a coffe on the gate and win by 30seg.
he is simply so much better than the rest.

Mx2 is the only class interenting for me right now...Hope RF3 and JP61 come back soon and fight witth Gajser
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tek14 5/9/2022 4:19am
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Motocrossplanet:
Tegenslag voor Rick Elzinga en Hutten Metaal Racing!
Contradiction for Rick Elzinga and Hutten Metaal Racing !

Any one knows what happened? Elzinga didnt ride at second race?
Dirt_Dawg 5/9/2022 4:40am
5/9/2022 4:40am
vaille or/and geerts will need to move up next year?
Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/9/2022 4:55am
5/9/2022 4:55am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2022 4:56am
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vaille or/and geerts will need to move up next year?
Vialle already has a contract with Red Bill KTM to ride MXGP next year. Not sure what Geerts is doing.
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roninho 5/9/2022 4:59am
5/9/2022 4:59am
tek14 wrote:
Motocrossplanet: Tegenslag voor Rick Elzinga en Hutten Metaal Racing! Contradiction for Rick Elzinga and Hutten Metaal Racing ! Any one knows what happened? Elzinga didnt ride...
Motocrossplanet:
Tegenslag voor Rick Elzinga en Hutten Metaal Racing!
Contradiction for Rick Elzinga and Hutten Metaal Racing !

Any one knows what happened? Elzinga didnt ride at second race?
According to mxmag it was a technical issue.

crusty_xx 5/9/2022 6:11am
5/9/2022 6:11am
crusty_xx wrote:
Damn we've gone from one of the best MXGP seasons ever to what's looking like a Snoozer for the rest of the season.
Park Boys wrote:
Not if your a Gajser fan! Watching him this year is just like watching AC in his prime KTM years. Ride around in the beginning and...
Not if your a Gajser fan! Watching him this year is just like watching AC in his prime KTM years. Ride around in the beginning and then “flip” the switch and go. His mental edge on everyone racing is massive right now.
I'm a Gajser fan but I catch myself hoping he gets a bad start... He wouldn't be able to sit behind someone like Vlaanderen for 10 minutes carefully planning his pass if there was a Herlings or Febvre in front running away with the lead. But I guess smart riders make races boring - see Dungey
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steve.hackler.1 5/9/2022 7:46am
5/9/2022 7:46am
I rember last year someone, I think it was Renaux, saying that if Vialle got the holeshot he was really good at holding the lead for the whole moto but if he didn't get the start he was unable to pass and advance towards the front. The more I see him race the more this rings true. Watson rode well and got a taste of the pace of the front runners. I thought his Kawasaki looked awfully busy stepping in and out trying to accelerate in the rough compared to the other bikes at the front. I wish they would follow Van Horebeek a little more with the camera. cool to see the new Beta.
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roninho 5/9/2022 10:45pm
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Just watched the qualifying..... mxgp Fernandez continues to do well.....mx2 kay de wolf keeps making stupid fails... emx 250 Lucas coenen very good his brother was...
Just watched the qualifying..... mxgp Fernandez continues to do well.....mx2 kay de wolf keeps making stupid fails... emx 250 Lucas coenen very good his brother was not so Lucky ....if I was a teammanager somewhere I would try to contract those two.... maybe something for redbull ktm next year in the mx2........
Yeah the Coenen boys are very very fast. What impresses me is how quickly they are running up front after moving up from 125's. Still very inconsistent, but only 15 years old. Imo put them on a factory bike in mx2 next year and they will surprise.

Not sure what their contract situation is though. Are they "just" under contract at BT racing or is it a deal with husqvarna who placed them at BT?
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kaidodragon 5/9/2022 11:34pm
5/9/2022 11:34pm
Full GP result

MXGP

Race 1

1/ Tim Gajser +0.000 (1.55.966)
2/ Jeremy Seewer +5.940 (1.56.814)
3/ Maxime Renaux +14.816 (1.55.924)
4/ Calvin Vlaanderen +17.013 *1.55.600*
5/ Pauls Jonass +32.750 (1.56.730)
6/ Ruben Fernandez +42.759 (1.57.871)
7/ Jeremy Van Horebeek +47.237 (1.58.346)
8/ Glenn Coldenhoff +49.316 (1.59.017)
9/ Brian Bogers +50.318 (1.59.274)
10/ Ben Watson +52.029 (1.58.893)

Race 2

1/ Tim Gajser +0.000 *1.54.510*
2/ Jeremy Seewer +20.264 (1.55.590)
3/ Maxime Renaux +30.434 (1.54.768)
4/ Ben Watson +32.382 (1.56.559)
5/ Ruben Fernandez +34.972 (1.56.822)
6/ Mitchell Evans +37.428 (1.56.170)
7/ Calvin Vlaanderen +40.473 (1.54.973)
8/ Pauls Jonass +47.135 (1.56.044)
9/ Jeremy Van Horebeek +49.210 (1.57.021)
10/ Jordi Tixier +52.099 (1.57.030)

Overall

1-1 = Tim Gajser
2-2 = Jeremy Seewer
3-3 = Maxime Renaux
4-7 = Calvin Vlaanderen
6-5 = Ruben Fernandez
10-4 = Ben Watson
5-8 = Pauls Jonass
7-9 = Jeremy Van Horebeek
13-6 = Mitchell Evans
8-12 = Glenn Coldenhoff

Championship

336 = Tim Gajser
255 = Maxime Renaux
231 = Jeremy Seewer
220 = Jorge Prado Garcia
199 = Glenn Coldenhoff
194 = Ruben Fernandez
173 = Brian Bogers
166 = Jeremy Van Horebeek
149 = Pauls Jonass
132 = Alberto Forato
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kaidodragon 5/9/2022 11:43pm
5/9/2022 11:43pm
MX2 full results

Race 1

1/ Jago Geerts +0.000 (1.59.911)
2/ Stephen Rubini +9.035 (1.59.888)
3/ Isak Gifting +21.906 (1.59.527)
4/ Liam Everts +25.604 (1.59.865)
5/ Tom Vialle +28.005 (1.59.934)
6/ Simon Laengenfelder +41.030 (1.59.673)
7/ Mikkel Haarup +42.637 *1.58.817*
8/ Tom Guyon +46.328 (2.00.154)
9/ Kay De Wolf +48.170 (1.59.165)
10/ Andrea Adamo +49.999 (1.59.703)

Race 2

1/ Tom Vialle +0.000 (1.56.415)
2/ Jago Geerts +1.505 *1.55.987*
3/ Simon Laengenfelder +35.047 (1.57.650)
4/ Kay De Wolf +55.557 (1.59.503)
5/ Mikkel Haarup +56.827 (1.59.526)
6/ Stephen Rubini +1.03.356 (1.59.416)
7/ Kevin Horgmo +1.07.566 (1.59.700)
8/ Thibault Benistant +1.11.449 (1.59.514)
9/ Kay Karssemakers +1.12.800 (2.00.716)
10/ Mattia Guadagnini +1.12.902 (2.00.378)

Overall

1-2 = Jago Geerts
5-1 = Tom Vialle
2-6 = Stephen Rubini
6-3 = Simon Laengenfelder
9-4 = Kay De Wolf
7-5 = Mikkel Haarup
3-12 = Isak Gifting
4-13 = Liam Everts
12-7 = Kevin Horgmo
11-9 = Kay Karssemakers

Championship

291 = Jago Geerts
285 = Tom Vialle
216 = Simon Laengenfelder
211 = Kay De Wolf
211 = Mikkel Haarup
199 = Kevin Horgmo
172 = Mattia Guadagnini
169 = Andrea Adamo
165 = Isak Gifting
158 = Stephen Rubini
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kaidodragon 5/9/2022 11:51pm
5/9/2022 11:51pm
EMX250 full results

Race 1

1/ Cornelius Toendel +0.000 *1.45.174*
2/ Lucas Coenen +5.970 (1.46.275)
3/ Haakon Osterhagen +15.006 (1.47.117)
4/ Yago Martinez +16.939 (1.47.093)
5/ David Braceras +21.845 (1.47.605)
6/ Mike Gwerder +25.951 (1.47.946)
7/ Rick Elzinga +27.881 (1.47.360)
8/ Andrea Bonacorsi +28.965 (1.47.599)
9/ Lorenzo Ciabatti +31.755 (1.48.261)
10/ Marcel Stauffer +32.798 (1.47.847)

Race 2

1/ Haakon Osterhagen +0.000 *2.10.039*
2/ Cornelius Toendel +17.171 (2.10.602)
3/ Andrea Bonacorsi +29.354 (2.11.030)
4/ David Braceras +52.200 (2.13.036)
5/ Camden Mc Lellan +53.054 (2.11.657)
6/ Eddie Jay Wade +57.759 (2.12.045)
7/ Yago Martinez +1.04.871 (2.11.016)
8/ Frederico Tuani +1.12.499 (2.13.071)
9/ Paolo Lugana +1.17.578 (2.12.161)
10/ Lorenzo Ciabatti +1.26.910 (2.13.489)

Overall

1-2 = Cornelius Toendel
3-1 = Haakon Osterhagen
5-4 = David Braceras
8-3 = Andrea Bonacorsi
4-7 = Yago Martinez
2-15 = Lucas Coenen
14-5 = Camden Mc Lellan
13-6 = Eddie Jay Wade
9-10 = Lorenzo Ciabatti
11-12 = Maximilian Spies

Championship

124 = Cornelius Toendel
107 = Rick Elzinga
92 = Haakon Osterhagen
80 = Camden Mc Lellan
77 = David Braceras
68 = Lucas Coenen
68 = Meico Vettik
62 = Oriol Oliver
61 = Andrea Bonacorsi
60 = Marcel Stauffer
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mxxxeR1 5/10/2022 1:20am
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Just watched the qualifying..... mxgp Fernandez continues to do well.....mx2 kay de wolf keeps making stupid fails... emx 250 Lucas coenen very good his brother was...
Just watched the qualifying..... mxgp Fernandez continues to do well.....mx2 kay de wolf keeps making stupid fails... emx 250 Lucas coenen very good his brother was not so Lucky ....if I was a teammanager somewhere I would try to contract those two.... maybe something for redbull ktm next year in the mx2........
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Yeah the Coenen boys are very very fast. What impresses me is how quickly they are running up front after moving up from 125's. Still very...
Yeah the Coenen boys are very very fast. What impresses me is how quickly they are running up front after moving up from 125's. Still very inconsistent, but only 15 years old. Imo put them on a factory bike in mx2 next year and they will surprise.

Not sure what their contract situation is though. Are they "just" under contract at BT racing or is it a deal with husqvarna who placed them at BT?
Yes those are the real talents....also Many riders stay too long in the emx250 because they don’t have the money for the world campionship mx2 but they do have the speed.... that age limet has to be raised to...,sunday a great circuit and 24 riders at the start...in the past you really had to earn wk points now you get them 19 men at the finish....wk unworthy....so makes it cheaper to start in the mx2 and raise the age rule and you have a full starting gate again... probably won’t happen... because they earn more money from it now....
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Cortami79 5/10/2022 1:22am
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roninho wrote:
Yeah the Coenen boys are very very fast. What impresses me is how quickly they are running up front after moving up from 125's. Still very...
Yeah the Coenen boys are very very fast. What impresses me is how quickly they are running up front after moving up from 125's. Still very inconsistent, but only 15 years old. Imo put them on a factory bike in mx2 next year and they will surprise.

Not sure what their contract situation is though. Are they "just" under contract at BT racing or is it a deal with husqvarna who placed them at BT?
I think it’s a contract with BT.

Nothing against most of the teams in the EMX/GP’s right now but for me the mx2 is a mess. Riders like Edberg, Farres barely get a ride while there are riders in EMX and GP’s fighting for top15 with less talent.

Farres won the latest Spanish championship and didn’t even have the opportunity to ride 2 of the last 3 EMX races, while he beat Braceras, who is getting podiums in the EMX250 class. Luckily he can fill in for Sydow at Raths so a shoutout to them.

Edberg is back in Sweden, so no more gp’s for him at the moment. They should drastically change some things otherwise we won’t have 20 people at the gate in next upcoming years. Less races, or atleast less overseas. Age of EMX250 to 21 and GP mx2 to 25. More costs covered for the teams would be good imo.
Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/10/2022 1:30am
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I think it’s a contract with BT. Nothing against most of the teams in the EMX/GP’s right now but for me the mx2 is a mess...
I think it’s a contract with BT.

Nothing against most of the teams in the EMX/GP’s right now but for me the mx2 is a mess. Riders like Edberg, Farres barely get a ride while there are riders in EMX and GP’s fighting for top15 with less talent.

Farres won the latest Spanish championship and didn’t even have the opportunity to ride 2 of the last 3 EMX races, while he beat Braceras, who is getting podiums in the EMX250 class. Luckily he can fill in for Sydow at Raths so a shoutout to them.

Edberg is back in Sweden, so no more gp’s for him at the moment. They should drastically change some things otherwise we won’t have 20 people at the gate in next upcoming years. Less races, or atleast less overseas. Age of EMX250 to 21 and GP mx2 to 25. More costs covered for the teams would be good imo.
How come Edberg is out at Riley Racing?
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roninho 5/10/2022 3:21am
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Cortami79 wrote:
I think it’s a contract with BT. Nothing against most of the teams in the EMX/GP’s right now but for me the mx2 is a mess...
I think it’s a contract with BT.

Nothing against most of the teams in the EMX/GP’s right now but for me the mx2 is a mess. Riders like Edberg, Farres barely get a ride while there are riders in EMX and GP’s fighting for top15 with less talent.

Farres won the latest Spanish championship and didn’t even have the opportunity to ride 2 of the last 3 EMX races, while he beat Braceras, who is getting podiums in the EMX250 class. Luckily he can fill in for Sydow at Raths so a shoutout to them.

Edberg is back in Sweden, so no more gp’s for him at the moment. They should drastically change some things otherwise we won’t have 20 people at the gate in next upcoming years. Less races, or atleast less overseas. Age of EMX250 to 21 and GP mx2 to 25. More costs covered for the teams would be good imo.
Imo it goes further then a money thing.

EMX250 is simply to 'succesfull/attractive' for riders and teams.

I mean for the cost of doing 10 rounds of EMX250 you can also do 7 wildcards MX2.

Still there are a significant amount of riders & teams who prefer to do those 10 rounds over 7 rounds in MX2.
Even if the rider isnt going to be a title contender, but fast enough to outrace a bunch of current MX2 riders.

Apparently being able to do a full championship over a partial championship is very important to teams and riders (otherwise i don't know why guys like Mclellan, Talviku, Spiess, Stauffer, etc. don't just do 7+ gp's)

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mxxxeR1 5/10/2022 5:26am
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Maybe it would be a good thing to obligo the top 5 of the final standings to promote to the wk mx2... then you prevent them from staying in the emx 250 for years..
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DeStouwer 5/10/2022 5:30am
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mxxxeR1 wrote:
Maybe it would be a good thing to obligo the top 5 of the final standings to promote to the wk mx2... then you prevent them...
Maybe it would be a good thing to obligo the top 5 of the final standings to promote to the wk mx2... then you prevent them from staying in the emx 250 for years..
That's what usually happens anyway, so no reason to make a rule of.
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roninho 5/10/2022 5:54am
5/10/2022 5:54am
Yeah i think a better question is how do you make MXGP and MX2 more attractive then EMX250 and EMXopen.

As i said, it's not just only about money. Jose Butron is doing EMX open for 6 races and that will be over 30.000 kilometer for him. Doing 6 wildcards GP's a bit more nearby will cost him the same.

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