Why isn’t Webb racing outdoors?

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Rosso391 5/3/2022 8:08am
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Doubt it. Tomac is getting a big pay raise and no way can they afford DF14, ET3, AND CW2 on payroll. Its just not gonna happen...
Doubt it. Tomac is getting a big pay raise and no way can they afford DF14, ET3, AND CW2 on payroll. Its just not gonna happen. I guarantee him and Roczen swap teams though. Makes the most RedBull sense.
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You guarantee that Roczen and Webb are switching teams ? Lol While you MIGHT be right, guaranteeing it is pretty far fetched at this point. There’s...
You guarantee that Roczen and Webb are switching teams ? Lol

While you MIGHT be right, guaranteeing it is pretty far fetched at this point. There’s been rumors floating around on Webb leaving, either for Honda or back to Star. But I seriously doubt that you have the inside scoop on that one.

As far as your other post, Webb (or any other rider) doesn’t owe you or anyone else shit. Cracks me up on the entitlement some have on this. I mean we All want to see everyone out there racing, but there are so many things to consider here. I suppose if Herlings doesn’t end up racing here, I guess he’s a pussy or should do it for the fans ?
Stamp it, swapping teams. And I'm not asking Webb to ride for ME..Do it for your sponsors, your CONTRACT. If he's hurt fine, sit out Nationals, but for the love of GOD just disclose it. Herlings disclosed his injury, so if he doesn't come over, who cares. At least he has a reason. So far we know zero about Webb's condition.

"Well I get paid to ride" - Cooper Webb -

^ That didn't age well.
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Langhammx 5/3/2022 8:15am
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Wouldn't starting the sentence out with "My gut tells me" imply an opinion?
Yes, but then the Bakers comment and the SX only comment, followed up with the World SX comment threw me off.
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While I like to watch outdoors, more than SX, unfortunately there is really no money in the outdoors for sponsors/ promoters, compared to SX. This has...
While I like to watch outdoors, more than SX, unfortunately there is really no money in the outdoors for sponsors/ promoters, compared to SX. This has been the ongoing situation and why some riders (MC, Reed, Stewart, Windham, etc) have gotten away with it. Not to mention they have a better chance at extending their career racing only SX. There has been an ongoing push/ rumor that outdoor nationals will disappear eventually, as we know it. I hope it doesn’t happen.
Davey Coombs has responded to these type of threads in the past and says the nationals are safe, so we can only hope he’s right. But this new World SX thing seems to be heading in a direction that would put the riders in a situation to race less and the nationals may be in jeopardy eventually.
Enjoy them while we got ‘em ??
Why do people keep saying there's no money in outdoors? Its the same sport.. The only difference is they bring the track to us at a stadium instead of traveling to the track in a rural area, where 70% of the fans live anyway. But the same sponsors are there paying for the same thing. Exposure is increased outdoors technically, because of the huge amount of time you are at the venue and how long the riders are on the track for a single day of racing.
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psychotronBR 5/3/2022 12:45pm
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A rider sitting out of a series because of injury, sure. Disclose it, get healhty and come back when you're fully healed and ready to race.

A rider sitting out of a series because "his head is not in the right place" or "he doesn't like the bike", nah. That just sounds like a chickenshit excuse to me, be it Webb, Roczen or any other rider.
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Langhammx 5/3/2022 1:13pm
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A rider sitting out of a series because of injury, sure. Disclose it, get healhty and come back when you're fully healed and ready to race...
A rider sitting out of a series because of injury, sure. Disclose it, get healhty and come back when you're fully healed and ready to race.

A rider sitting out of a series because "his head is not in the right place" or "he doesn't like the bike", nah. That just sounds like a chickenshit excuse to me, be it Webb, Roczen or any other rider.
While I understand your view. You have to realize that we aren’t talking about making your 10 year old finish the soccer season. We are talking about an extremely dangerous sport with possible life changing consequences. If their head ain’t in the right place, it’s really not a good idea to put yourself into a dangerous situation. At the speed they carry in outdoors, there’s a lot that can go wrong.

Some will not like this assessment, but it’s reality, regardless of what opinions we may have.

Webb’s injuries were pretty substantial, he’s proved he’s a gamer and not a quitter. Some people are just too harsh on the criticism. Nobody knows exactly why he’s taking it off, yet continue to bash him. For the record, I’m not a big Webb fan, but respect everyone out there doing this dangerous sport.
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Moto Nomad 5/3/2022 2:08pm
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Why in the world do people care about people fulfilling contracts that they are not a party to? It's like some weird moral judgment. And I'm sure he won't be getting paid the same if he skips the outdoors.
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Thirteen-II 5/3/2022 2:21pm
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Kind of off topic, but when was the last time we have seen a defending champion complete a season in its entirety and not win a race?
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-MAVERICK- 5/3/2022 2:31pm
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Thirteen-II wrote:
Kind of off topic, but when was the last time we have seen a defending champion complete a season in its entirety and not win a...
Kind of off topic, but when was the last time we have seen a defending champion complete a season in its entirety and not win a race?
I asked that question a while back and someone mentioned Emig in '98.
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Park Boys 5/3/2022 2:35pm
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Thirteen-II wrote:
Kind of off topic, but when was the last time we have seen a defending champion complete a season in its entirety and not win a...
Kind of off topic, but when was the last time we have seen a defending champion complete a season in its entirety and not win a race?
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I asked that question a while back and someone mentioned Emig in '98.
Emig didn’t finish the entire season though he only did 10 races. Finished 2nd a couple of times with no wins.
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TropicPilot 5/3/2022 3:03pm
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Thirteen-II wrote:
Kind of off topic, but when was the last time we have seen a defending champion complete a season in its entirety and not win a...
Kind of off topic, but when was the last time we have seen a defending champion complete a season in its entirety and not win a race?
I'm a huge Ryan Dungey fan, but he came close in 2011 Supercross. He only got that one win late in the season, but he was competitive all year, unlike Webb this year, and that field in 2011 was truly stacked with Hall-of-Famers.
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LungButter 5/3/2022 3:04pm
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He's scared of Frenchie.
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-MAVERICK- 5/3/2022 4:36pm
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Emig didn’t finish the entire season though he only did 10 races. Finished 2nd a couple of times with no wins.
Webb missed a raced, so he also didn't complete the entire season.

Regardless, this has to be one of if not the worst title defense in SX history for the amount of races he's completed.

He's currently 7th in points with 1 round left to go, and there's a good chance that's where he'll finish.
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Dirty Points 5/3/2022 4:41pm
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Webb missed a raced, so he also didn't complete the entire season. Regardless, this has to be one of if not the worst title defense in...
Webb missed a raced, so he also didn't complete the entire season.

Regardless, this has to be one of if not the worst title defense in SX history for the amount of races he's completed.

He's currently 7th in points with 1 round left to go, and there's a good chance that's where he'll finish.
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Leave Us To 5/3/2022 7:51pm
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dnf736 wrote:
Listen to Matthes post race interviews. He ask Decoster directly about Webb and said " we know he's not doing outdoors..." Roger said he's stubborn and...
Listen to Matthes post race interviews. He ask Decoster directly about Webb and said " we know he's not doing outdoors..." Roger said he's stubborn and lost his way and that it takes time to get back on track.
We can't forget he has had back issues in the past so this could be a factor. Webb's two SX championships in a row pale in comparision to McGrath's 7 in 8 years. And Jeremy admits he beat himself in 97 by having too good of an off season. I will always be impressed by Jeremey McGrath winning four SX titles in a row.and all of them on a 1993 CR250 Honda frame. He was brilliant to stay with the same chassis all that time. Talk about bike familiarity.

The way the year has gone, maybe Webb wishes he hadn't gone the best off season route on his helmet?
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soggy 5/3/2022 8:11pm
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dnf736 wrote:
Listen to Matthes post race interviews. He ask Decoster directly about Webb and said " we know he's not doing outdoors..." Roger said he's stubborn and...
Listen to Matthes post race interviews. He ask Decoster directly about Webb and said " we know he's not doing outdoors..." Roger said he's stubborn and lost his way and that it takes time to get back on track.
Leave Us To wrote:
We can't forget he has had back issues in the past so this could be a factor. Webb's two SX championships in a row pale in...
We can't forget he has had back issues in the past so this could be a factor. Webb's two SX championships in a row pale in comparision to McGrath's 7 in 8 years. And Jeremy admits he beat himself in 97 by having too good of an off season. I will always be impressed by Jeremey McGrath winning four SX titles in a row.and all of them on a 1993 CR250 Honda frame. He was brilliant to stay with the same chassis all that time. Talk about bike familiarity.

The way the year has gone, maybe Webb wishes he hadn't gone the best off season route on his helmet?
And Webb did not win two in a row. Jeremy likely would have won in 97 if his Suzuki mechanic knew how to install a throttle cable and clutch correctly.
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Motodragon 5/4/2022 5:03am
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Webb feelings are hurt since he can’t talk to trash on the line this season and he has not won an outdoor title since being on a 450.


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system 5/4/2022 5:46am
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Wasn't it mentioned, almost under his breath, by Matthes on Monday's Pulp Show that Coop was going to have surgery?
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wreckitrandy 5/4/2022 1:07pm
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Wasn't it mentioned, almost under his breath, by Matthes on Monday's Pulp Show that Coop was going to have surgery?
It would have been nice if he had gotten a vital approved sick leave before scheduling surgery....
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Ace Dudemeister 5/4/2022 1:25pm
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KTM changed their frame in ‘22, it doesn’t work when Webb is riding it.
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Park Boys 5/4/2022 1:44pm
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Park Boys wrote:
Emig didn’t finish the entire season though he only did 10 races. Finished 2nd a couple of times with no wins.
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Webb missed a raced, so he also didn't complete the entire season. Regardless, this has to be one of if not the worst title defense in...
Webb missed a raced, so he also didn't complete the entire season.

Regardless, this has to be one of if not the worst title defense in SX history for the amount of races he's completed.

He's currently 7th in points with 1 round left to go, and there's a good chance that's where he'll finish.
I agree with you entirely his season was worse than anyone could have imagined. But as an Emig fan I just had to point out he only raced 2/3 of the season SX season.
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darrennerrad 5/4/2022 6:03pm
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Imagine if Webb shows up to A1 and the paint job on the back of his helmet says "Best Off Season Yet!" with him laying on the couch with a bag of chips and a beer like Homer Simpson. Could be some serious head games there.
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sandtrack315 5/5/2022 6:40am
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I am not a huge Webb fan, but I emphasize with and respect him more after listening to the DMX podcast. When you combine a tough season, which he took responsibility for leaving Aldon's, and was just being honest about the bike, with a head injury, I get why he's not racing outdoors. Athletes in our sport are not serious enough about head injuries. He took a big hit, and the best thing for him to do it take 2-3 months off.

I get racers try to grit it out and hide injuries, but the entire narrative of his results this year, at least late in the season with his hand and head injury, would be different if he was more up front earlier on.
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LungButter 5/5/2022 8:10am
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sandtrack315 wrote:
I am not a huge Webb fan, but I emphasize with and respect him more after listening to the DMX podcast. When you combine a tough...
I am not a huge Webb fan, but I emphasize with and respect him more after listening to the DMX podcast. When you combine a tough season, which he took responsibility for leaving Aldon's, and was just being honest about the bike, with a head injury, I get why he's not racing outdoors. Athletes in our sport are not serious enough about head injuries. He took a big hit, and the best thing for him to do it take 2-3 months off.

I get racers try to grit it out and hide injuries, but the entire narrative of his results this year, at least late in the season with his hand and head injury, would be different if he was more up front earlier on.
So he said a head injury is part of the reason he's sitting out outdoors?

If he's got a head injury that is that serious shouldn't he also be sitting out SX then?
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sandtrack315 wrote:
I am not a huge Webb fan, but I emphasize with and respect him more after listening to the DMX podcast. When you combine a tough...
I am not a huge Webb fan, but I emphasize with and respect him more after listening to the DMX podcast. When you combine a tough season, which he took responsibility for leaving Aldon's, and was just being honest about the bike, with a head injury, I get why he's not racing outdoors. Athletes in our sport are not serious enough about head injuries. He took a big hit, and the best thing for him to do it take 2-3 months off.

I get racers try to grit it out and hide injuries, but the entire narrative of his results this year, at least late in the season with his hand and head injury, would be different if he was more up front earlier on.
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So he said a head injury is part of the reason he's sitting out outdoors? If he's got a head injury that is that serious shouldn't...
So he said a head injury is part of the reason he's sitting out outdoors?

If he's got a head injury that is that serious shouldn't he also be sitting out SX then?
Exactly what I said in the other thread. Please anybody explain the logic of sitting out future races because of head injury, yet he continues to ride SX with the head injury.
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Hcallz5 5/5/2022 8:27am
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He won a championship on the old chassis then they go and change the whole thing up. Call me crazy but I kinda see why he would be pissed.
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sandtrack315 5/5/2022 9:55am
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LungButter wrote:
So he said a head injury is part of the reason he's sitting out outdoors? If he's got a head injury that is that serious shouldn't...
So he said a head injury is part of the reason he's sitting out outdoors?

If he's got a head injury that is that serious shouldn't he also be sitting out SX then?
Yes, sorry, he's been riding so poorly I forgot he's been at the last few SX races. I have no idea why he's even on a bike, then.
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GG121 5/5/2022 11:00am
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Hear me out; I wonder if he got covid in the off season and is possibly dealing with long covid or some brain fog? We know Marv got covid at the end of outdoors, and Webb is not vaccinated, so its definitely a possibility. I know a lot of people in the motocross community say these guys are the best athletes in the world, covid wouldn't affect them, but we know many top riders have been sidelined and had their careers impacted by Epstein-Barr virus. It doesn't seem too far fetched that a rider, especially one who trains with Aldon, could have a weakened immune system from overtraining and be affected by covid.
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PFitzG38 5/5/2022 6:35pm
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He had his best off season yet and lost his mojo, and his pride won’t let him race now; have you not been watching? Pride……it’s a motherfu&$er
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bichwolf 5/6/2022 7:36am
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Why does Webb stay with RedBull? No wings yet..
I'm not sure what denomination he is, why so secretive? If he doesn't race outdoors but lines up
at A1, he IS the anti Christian.
He is not 100% on board with Baker, flog him for that shit.
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