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4/10/2022 7:50pm
UpTiTe wrote:
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts. I just talked...
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts.

I just talked to a moto journalist who told me he knew about Forrest screwing multiple people a year ago, but him, and other journalists swept it under the rug for the good of the sport. Basically every time all those journalists said they didn’t know what was going on with Baggett, they were lying.

i think this is actually a big part of the problem, when does it become public matter?

was Cooksey's video the final push that brought he house of cards down? or would it all have gone down with out him publicising it ?, could have BBMX kept going for a few more weeks, or even longer, maybe in the process not paying others,

tough call to make on rumours, either way,
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4/10/2022 8:45pm
Muttly wrote:
I’m 110% agreeing with what you’re saying. Swap got me a Press Pass to Southwick one year, when he was with TWMX. Some jealous, insecure dude...
I’m 110% agreeing with what you’re saying. Swap got me a Press Pass to Southwick one year, when he was with TWMX. Some jealous, insecure dude, who didn’t like me and what I had to say online, refused to give it to me.

I’m not arguing, just stating facts.
brlatm wrote:
So Flarider killed your presspass? Cool
No. Pat Schutte did.
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4/10/2022 9:43pm
There is a lot of truth to this.. when cooksey released it, I kinda dismissed it.. Disappointed in my favourite media outlets that probably knew too...
There is a lot of truth to this.. when cooksey released it, I kinda dismissed it..
Disappointed in my favourite media outlets that probably knew too, but didn’t talk first.
Boom! Truths!

‘Content creators’
Not journalists..
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4/10/2022 9:50pm
philG wrote:
Lets also not lose sight of the fact that there are several thousand global corporation that lose billions of dollars a year , for fun, so...
Lets also not lose sight of the fact that there are several thousand global corporation that lose billions of dollars a year , for fun, so a race team not making a profit, isnt exactly ground breaking.

What is naughty , is when Money that is paid to the team, isnt passed on to the people doing the work, or those supplying them.

There is a World renowned organisation that runs in all sorts of Championships in 4 wheels that is notorious for never paying its bills, tor delaying them to the point where most suppliers wont touch them... they approached a company i was working for to do some ' special parts' and our people were giddy with ' can we do these parts quick'..

They even went as far as blanking out the company name ' for security purposes', but i recognized the engineers signature.

Luckily the guy who was dealing with it took up my offer of a 5 minute call with my old colleague, who still had £80k of outstanding invoices over 12months old.

So we passed, and the folk that we heard had took it on, waited 6 month and got half the money.

You will never read a word of it in the press though.
Why won’t you mention their name?
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4/10/2022 10:03pm
I get every argument on the post. My point is the media basically has their hands tied in this industry. They can only do so much. The latest race day live interview with roger decoster shows how much the teams dodge the questions. When roger was asked about webbs injury by kristen beat he just gave a generic answer. Were just a poorly ran sport is all and i honestly think we have a unrealistic dream that we will have a professional broadcast, proper reporting and open viewing of team deals etc.
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4/10/2022 11:41pm
UpTiTe wrote:
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts. I just talked...
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts.

I just talked to a moto journalist who told me he knew about Forrest screwing multiple people a year ago, but him, and other journalists swept it under the rug for the good of the sport. Basically every time all those journalists said they didn’t know what was going on with Baggett, they were lying.

LungButter wrote:
Yep. I’m a Pulp fan but not only is FLY a sponsor of both them and the Butler Team…but JT is lifelong friends with the Butlers...
Yep.

I’m a Pulp fan but not only is FLY a sponsor of both them and the Butler Team…but JT is lifelong friends with the Butlers. It was obvious all along to anyone paying attention that they all knew WAY more than they let on.

And these guys would be all over it if we swap Butler with lets say Yarrive Konsky (the Australian Honda guy).

There has to be a middleground between the established media that are unable to report properly and cooks like Cooksey. If there is a guy/gal who manages to balance that, they will succeed in this industry and we as fans will win on it.
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4/10/2022 11:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2022 11:58pm
To be fair Matthes has hinted to JT on air if he knew anything and JT straight up lies.
Matthes is in a rock and hard place on this exact one. I’m sure he’d like to drop more stuff but he’s made and done lots of what he can.
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4/11/2022 3:58am
UpTiTe wrote:
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts. I just talked...
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts.

I just talked to a moto journalist who told me he knew about Forrest screwing multiple people a year ago, but him, and other journalists swept it under the rug for the good of the sport. Basically every time all those journalists said they didn’t know what was going on with Baggett, they were lying.

This is why I can understand the journalists’ dilemma. I blame the whole industry, as a journalist has to walk a line of reporting what is known and pissing teams off and being blackballed. The sad part is protecting a Butler “for the good of the sport” hurts the sport more than exposing him years ago does. He’s probably been stiffing people for years and in this instance something major had to have happened as the whole thing fell apart at once. I’m sure the team guys have been unpaid or at least haven’t been paid regularly for some time. But something occurred that had all the sponsors, riders etc all act at the same time. It’s reported the financial backer hasn’t allowed the team on the training property for weeks. There’s more to this story than just a team folding.
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4/11/2022 6:49am
UpTiTe wrote:
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts. I just talked...
The problem is the bro code, and Forrest is in that crowd. Think about who sponsors him, and who sponsors the major podcasts.

I just talked to a moto journalist who told me he knew about Forrest screwing multiple people a year ago, but him, and other journalists swept it under the rug for the good of the sport. Basically every time all those journalists said they didn’t know what was going on with Baggett, they were lying.

RaceFace58 wrote:
This is why I can understand the journalists’ dilemma. I blame the whole industry, as a journalist has to walk a line of reporting what is...
This is why I can understand the journalists’ dilemma. I blame the whole industry, as a journalist has to walk a line of reporting what is known and pissing teams off and being blackballed. The sad part is protecting a Butler “for the good of the sport” hurts the sport more than exposing him years ago does. He’s probably been stiffing people for years and in this instance something major had to have happened as the whole thing fell apart at once. I’m sure the team guys have been unpaid or at least haven’t been paid regularly for some time. But something occurred that had all the sponsors, riders etc all act at the same time. It’s reported the financial backer hasn’t allowed the team on the training property for weeks. There’s more to this story than just a team folding.
Soon one of the industry insiders will ask you to google him and see how great he is. Happened to me about a certain team owner coming back into another motorsport when I said "Great another industry he can screw over" Got hosed right away. That team owner owed big money to many California companies. I guess if you have a big bank account that means more to the guy.
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4/11/2022 8:18am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 8:20am
philG wrote:
Lets also not lose sight of the fact that there are several thousand global corporation that lose billions of dollars a year , for fun, so...
Lets also not lose sight of the fact that there are several thousand global corporation that lose billions of dollars a year , for fun, so a race team not making a profit, isnt exactly ground breaking.

What is naughty , is when Money that is paid to the team, isnt passed on to the people doing the work, or those supplying them.

There is a World renowned organisation that runs in all sorts of Championships in 4 wheels that is notorious for never paying its bills, tor delaying them to the point where most suppliers wont touch them... they approached a company i was working for to do some ' special parts' and our people were giddy with ' can we do these parts quick'..

They even went as far as blanking out the company name ' for security purposes', but i recognized the engineers signature.

Luckily the guy who was dealing with it took up my offer of a 5 minute call with my old colleague, who still had £80k of outstanding invoices over 12months old.

So we passed, and the folk that we heard had took it on, waited 6 month and got half the money.

You will never read a word of it in the press though.
We didn't read a word about it from you either.

Vital Poster: These people should name names.

Also Vital Poster: doesn't name names.


Full hypocrite disclosure: I have been told a lot of stuff about BBMX that hasn't come out yet but I'm not media and I don't break confidence.
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4/11/2022 8:46am
McG194 wrote:
We didn't read a word about it from you either. Vital Poster: These people should name names. Also Vital Poster: doesn't name names. Full hypocrite disclosure...
We didn't read a word about it from you either.

Vital Poster: These people should name names.

Also Vital Poster: doesn't name names.


Full hypocrite disclosure: I have been told a lot of stuff about BBMX that hasn't come out yet but I'm not media and I don't break confidence.
This made me chuckle....

Where would Vital be without.... "I know something you don't but I'm not gonna say anything. But I'll say that I know something to make myself look important."

Tongue
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4/11/2022 8:51am
Alright ive seen alot of comments about the journalism in our sport. Especially over the reporting of the most recent cluster. Im all for a story...
Alright ive seen alot of comments about the journalism in our sport. Especially over the reporting of the most recent cluster. Im all for a story but i like a factually accurate story. In moto the teams, and riders refuse to give factual info which in turn reflects on the moto media. The situation with the rmatv team is proof. Butler said the team is going racing. Most outlets reported the team is going racing. Next thing you know the team is out. Next thing you hear from racerx is fast freddie is looking at the ride. Nope no fast freddy. That makes racerx look bad. Point is you cant report on that shit when its literally changing storys on the minute. Eventually you just have to say fuck it and let it die down until cooler heads and people in the situation actually talk. Insta and twitter posts mean nothing since its super easy to portray a good outlook. Anton made the first post regarding the teams status and i honestly think the other media outlets said ok this is his baby and we will share his reporting. I honestly think the moto media did a good job on this situation and kept it under control being this could of went so sideways with the wrong info very easily.
you are 100% wrong. Just this year ML512 posted that he knew FOR FACT that several riders were using fake vax cards to avoid being tested...
you are 100% wrong.

Just this year ML512 posted that he knew FOR FACT that several riders were using fake vax cards to avoid being tested. When pressed about this, he simply said "Meh - not my job" (basically).

Seems like a pretty big deal to me and many others (was about the time KR's wife posted about it and stirred things up). Cooksey took his 1st hand info and reported on it. BMMX responded by calling him a liar, and then immediately it was proven that he was right.

Then Vital jumps on, and tries to do clean up because Cooksey blew the lid off the story while tip-toeing through the entire issue.

it's exhausting.

I get that our "moto journalism" guys can't ruffle the feathers and then expec to get access to the riders, yet Cooksey just did it. At some point, they'll have to take a stand and speak their truth and let the dust settles as it's going to settle. Whatever that looks like. Until these guys stand up to them, the "insiders" and the riders themselves will continue to just push the questions aside knowing they don't have to answer them because nobody is going to do anything about it....

and it's all magnificently stupid and tiring. The sport can't grow up until the sport grows up.
ML512 wrote:
Late last season all I did is mention that BBMX had a new co-owner cleaning up past bills in Silly Season and got threatened legally. Oh...
Late last season all I did is mention that BBMX had a new co-owner cleaning up past bills in Silly Season and got threatened legally. Oh well.

As for the latest story, I don’t get where we did “clean up”. I had some information but not what I’d consider a full enough grasp of what was going on so I waited until I had talked to a few more people involved at each level. Even with that I wish I knew a bit more about the situation. I don’t care that we weren’t first to publish a report and at no point did we discredit or say anything against what Cooksey wrote. I just stated what I knew about. In fact, I actually don’t even have a clue what Cooksey said in his, I didn’t watch it. I don’t mean that in a bad way, I just didn’t have time to get around to it and had plenty to work on at the time.
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards
2. you didn't "clean up" for Cooksey - you cleaned up for your own credibility by following up after the fact and reporting what was already out of the bag, and are things i'm going to bet my paycheck you already knew about but wouldn't report it.

look, I don't really care as it's your business, not mine, and you have to handle things your way. This "moto journalism" thing just irks me cause I'm weary of these guys asking question in post race news briefings, but refuse to ask them about anything that is relevant AND often widely known. It's a lot of "kiss the ring, ask the softball questions, and we'll let you talk to our riders throughout the next week" and it's wearisome. At least this Cooksey guy had balls enough to say what he knew to be true while the more well known outlets had their heads in the sand.
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4/11/2022 8:58am
McG194 wrote:
We didn't read a word about it from you either. Vital Poster: These people should name names. Also Vital Poster: doesn't name names. Full hypocrite disclosure...
We didn't read a word about it from you either.

Vital Poster: These people should name names.

Also Vital Poster: doesn't name names.


Full hypocrite disclosure: I have been told a lot of stuff about BBMX that hasn't come out yet but I'm not media and I don't break confidence.
LungButter wrote:
This made me chuckle.... Where would Vital be without.... "I know something you don't but I'm not gonna say anything. But I'll say that I know...
This made me chuckle....

Where would Vital be without.... "I know something you don't but I'm not gonna say anything. But I'll say that I know something to make myself look important."

Tongue
I'm not important, that's why I was making fun of myself.

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4/11/2022 9:05am
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards 2. you didn't "clean up" for...
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards
2. you didn't "clean up" for Cooksey - you cleaned up for your own credibility by following up after the fact and reporting what was already out of the bag, and are things i'm going to bet my paycheck you already knew about but wouldn't report it.

look, I don't really care as it's your business, not mine, and you have to handle things your way. This "moto journalism" thing just irks me cause I'm weary of these guys asking question in post race news briefings, but refuse to ask them about anything that is relevant AND often widely known. It's a lot of "kiss the ring, ask the softball questions, and we'll let you talk to our riders throughout the next week" and it's wearisome. At least this Cooksey guy had balls enough to say what he knew to be true while the more well known outlets had their heads in the sand.
Because, three riders and multiple mechanics told me to my face they had fakes. That’s Feld’s problem, not mine to deal with. Not my place to unearth that info with the way it was given to me and it was said in an off-record situation.

Cooksey went for it and for that I give him props. This is the fifth time in three years I heard the team would likely be done, I got a call about it last Monday but until I talked to more people and figured out what had gone sideways this time I wasn’t going to run out and say hey it’s going away, as it may have been another false alarm.

We’ve gone back and forth a few different times about this type of stuff. I’m not sure how I can describe it any differently. I just get frustrated when shots get taken at us about not being journalists and talking down about myself or my staff. We don’t proclaim to be journalists or push a hard hitting agenda. We create content and news stories. In this case I shared a news story with the information I felt I needed to convey what was going on.
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4/11/2022 9:11am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 9:13am
In all honesty what passes for journalism on the national level in this country isn’t much better. The saga of Hunter Biden’s laptop being a recent...
In all honesty what passes for journalism on the national level in this country isn’t much better. The saga of Hunter Biden’s laptop being a recent example.
I totally agree. What gets swept under the rug is mind blowing. First was Ivanka's Chinese trademarks US taxpayers funded then Hunter Biden's laptop now Kushner gets TWO BILLION from the prince that had Kashoggi dismembered.

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4/11/2022 9:19am
Why won’t you mention their name?
Perhaps for the same reason your screen name isn't the name on your driver's license.
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4/11/2022 9:27am
Hmm...this popcorn's stale.
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4/11/2022 9:51am
ML512 wrote:
Late last season all I did is mention that BBMX had a new co-owner cleaning up past bills in Silly Season and got threatened legally. Oh...
Late last season all I did is mention that BBMX had a new co-owner cleaning up past bills in Silly Season and got threatened legally. Oh well.

As for the latest story, I don’t get where we did “clean up”. I had some information but not what I’d consider a full enough grasp of what was going on so I waited until I had talked to a few more people involved at each level. Even with that I wish I knew a bit more about the situation. I don’t care that we weren’t first to publish a report and at no point did we discredit or say anything against what Cooksey wrote. I just stated what I knew about. In fact, I actually don’t even have a clue what Cooksey said in his, I didn’t watch it. I don’t mean that in a bad way, I just didn’t have time to get around to it and had plenty to work on at the time.
Bummer about the legal threats. In light of what has happened, it makes that team ownership look especially bad.

In my business I get threats of lawsuits from time to time, mostly from clients who won't or can't pay.

Seems like the scum of society always threaten to use lawsuits as a cudgel to cover up their bullshit.

IF all of this information is accurate about BBMX and what they have done to their employees and contracted racers, then the owners should never again be allowed to field a team with the AMA or Feld or MX Sports.

To allow them do do it again in the future would be tacit approval of what they have done now.
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4/11/2022 9:52am
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Hmm...this popcorn's stale.
STFU Noob
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4/11/2022 10:05am
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards 2. you didn't "clean up" for...
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards
2. you didn't "clean up" for Cooksey - you cleaned up for your own credibility by following up after the fact and reporting what was already out of the bag, and are things i'm going to bet my paycheck you already knew about but wouldn't report it.

look, I don't really care as it's your business, not mine, and you have to handle things your way. This "moto journalism" thing just irks me cause I'm weary of these guys asking question in post race news briefings, but refuse to ask them about anything that is relevant AND often widely known. It's a lot of "kiss the ring, ask the softball questions, and we'll let you talk to our riders throughout the next week" and it's wearisome. At least this Cooksey guy had balls enough to say what he knew to be true while the more well known outlets had their heads in the sand.
ML512 wrote:
Because, three riders and multiple mechanics told me to my face they had fakes. That’s Feld’s problem, not mine to deal with. Not my place to...
Because, three riders and multiple mechanics told me to my face they had fakes. That’s Feld’s problem, not mine to deal with. Not my place to unearth that info with the way it was given to me and it was said in an off-record situation.

Cooksey went for it and for that I give him props. This is the fifth time in three years I heard the team would likely be done, I got a call about it last Monday but until I talked to more people and figured out what had gone sideways this time I wasn’t going to run out and say hey it’s going away, as it may have been another false alarm.

We’ve gone back and forth a few different times about this type of stuff. I’m not sure how I can describe it any differently. I just get frustrated when shots get taken at us about not being journalists and talking down about myself or my staff. We don’t proclaim to be journalists or push a hard hitting agenda. We create content and news stories. In this case I shared a news story with the information I felt I needed to convey what was going on.
why does it bug me??

I suppose if you would come out and say "Yeah, I knew about it - I didn't want to talk about it - and you shouldn't expect me to follow up on things you deem NEWS because I value you my relationship with the riders more than much of anything else."

Instead, we get all this shucking and jiving about "Well, I wasn't READY to report it" or "It wasn't really BIG news" or "I do ask questions about press conferences about things that YOU should care about....not about this TMZ shit".

it's just sleight of hand on a journalistic level and it's absolutely one thing that is keeping our sport to the fringes as a sideshow act as there's really no COVERAGE of the news in our sport.

and then GuyB shows up with his standard dismissive "This popcorn is stale" attitude which created a lot of the animosity between users/mods throughout the years.

I'm done with this. I've said what I can. Carry on, and I hope you have a great week, Michael.
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4/11/2022 10:48am
Having worked on many race teams, everything is always somewhat open ended, because there are so many different entities involved, especially on a private team. I...
Having worked on many race teams, everything is always somewhat open ended, because there are so many different entities involved, especially on a private team. I once wrenched for a team that was based out of California, bikes were owned by a dealership in Detroit, the truck was leased out of Virginia, the truck driver came from a different company, the riders came from two different sponsors that were paying the team a fee so that they could ride the bikes, while the team had their own sponsors (who actually paid me directly). thats how complicated these things can be.
Spoonguy wrote:
Is that any more complicated than most businesses?
In a sense that everyone is a separate contractor or entity it is similar to other businesses. However the difference in professional racing is that the entire thing is based on advertising and promotions, everything is constantly being over hyped for publicity purposes. so you never get an honest answer, especially when it comes to money.
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4/11/2022 12:39pm
Listen to the last 30 minutes of the racerx st louis review show. Weege and matthes explain the exact reason why they dont report on what is going on with rmatv
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4/11/2022 3:10pm
Listen to the last 30 minutes of the racerx st louis review show. Weege and matthes explain the exact reason why they dont report on what...
Listen to the last 30 minutes of the racerx st louis review show. Weege and matthes explain the exact reason why they dont report on what is going on with rmatv
Interesting Steve’s comments about Forrest not being truthful with him for years
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4/11/2022 5:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 5:13pm
I feel like there are a few reasons why you won’t see much change in journalism in Moto.

People don’t understand how difficult it is to even get media credentials. Unless you are working for one of the larger sites/publications you’re going to have to put in some serious work/networking before you even will get a shot at media credentials. They don’t just hand them out, they look at your website traffic, social media, etc. and you have to hit certain amounts of impressions across all platforms which shows you have a following large enough for them to even allow you access. You also need to make commitments to go to as many rounds as you can.

Next point, bringing up the going to as many rounds as possible that I just mentioned. It is very hard for anyone else besides the main big players to make money in Moto media. Companies send large chunks of advertising dollars on the largest publications leaving not so much for the little guys trying to make it. So the small publications, trying to get in, normally are having to come out of pocket at least a decent amount. It is very expensive for flights, hotels, rental cars, etc. every weekend for 17 SX/12 MX rounds.

After doing everything you can to finally build up a publication/following/coming out of pocket to make it to a lot of rounds, etc. and you finally get access, do you think those guys are going to try and push boundaries? They have a lot of money/time invested just to get to that point because they love the sport so do you think they are willing to risk finally getting to that point and push some buttons that may get them pushed right back out?

The large publications, and the money they have coming in from a lot of companies, want to keep those companies happy. I’m sure they do their best not to ruffle any feathers so they will hopefully have repeat business. These companies usually can afford salaries and will retain guys a lot longer than the smaller publications as well so you probably won’t be seeing them push controversial topics too hard.

The industry is hard on people as well, the little publications that try to make it normally are working M-F 9-5 to help fund their expenses. Travel is brutal with leaving out on Fridays after work, long flights, long work days at the track, long days flying back home on Sunday while doing write ups/editing photos/etc. Living in hotels on the weekends every weekend gets old. When you’re small in the Moto world companies think they can walk all over you as well. I’ve seen people/companies steal photos, never pay, offer care packages for compensation instead of actual money, etc. Do you really think it’s worth it for the little companies to push too hard for that compensation and run the fear of having a bad name thrown out to the other companies? The less they spend the better for their companies but they don’t see that it hurts the small publications (everyone really) and pushes them to a point where it just isn’t worth chasing the dream anymore that they just move on with their lives. Then you’re right back to having the same guys covering the sport who don’t want to ruffle feathers and other smaller guys trying to make it and scared of getting balled because of how hard it is to get there in the first place.

To get anything different you’re going to almost have to have someone that is connected in the sport but not officially in the media. That is about the only way you’ll get some differentiating views than what you’ll see from the normal places because it is too risky for them to push the boundaries too far. From the outside it looks like a big sport/industry but from the inside everyone knows everyone so if you’re trying to make it you need to tread lightly.

Long read but hopefully that helps explain it to people that may not fully understand how difficult it is to even get in the media, let alone stay in the media, and why people may be hesitant to push the limits.
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1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards 2. you didn't "clean up" for...
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards
2. you didn't "clean up" for Cooksey - you cleaned up for your own credibility by following up after the fact and reporting what was already out of the bag, and are things i'm going to bet my paycheck you already knew about but wouldn't report it.

look, I don't really care as it's your business, not mine, and you have to handle things your way. This "moto journalism" thing just irks me cause I'm weary of these guys asking question in post race news briefings, but refuse to ask them about anything that is relevant AND often widely known. It's a lot of "kiss the ring, ask the softball questions, and we'll let you talk to our riders throughout the next week" and it's wearisome. At least this Cooksey guy had balls enough to say what he knew to be true while the more well known outlets had their heads in the sand.
ML512 wrote:
Because, three riders and multiple mechanics told me to my face they had fakes. That’s Feld’s problem, not mine to deal with. Not my place to...
Because, three riders and multiple mechanics told me to my face they had fakes. That’s Feld’s problem, not mine to deal with. Not my place to unearth that info with the way it was given to me and it was said in an off-record situation.

Cooksey went for it and for that I give him props. This is the fifth time in three years I heard the team would likely be done, I got a call about it last Monday but until I talked to more people and figured out what had gone sideways this time I wasn’t going to run out and say hey it’s going away, as it may have been another false alarm.

We’ve gone back and forth a few different times about this type of stuff. I’m not sure how I can describe it any differently. I just get frustrated when shots get taken at us about not being journalists and talking down about myself or my staff. We don’t proclaim to be journalists or push a hard hitting agenda. We create content and news stories. In this case I shared a news story with the information I felt I needed to convey what was going on.
This is the problem. Fans want "news". The news reporters in this sport aren't journalist. They are former riders, mechanics, man friends...people that were in or wanted to be in the industry. Heck you have a dude that calls himself "Darkside" that gets in the press conferences, WTF?? Not sure if Anton has any formal journalism background, but everyone else that gives reports or scoops are in the category listed (please correct me if I'm wrong). All the "journalist" in this industry do is repackage PR from the teams, promoters and sponsors. Unfortunately that leaves a lot of room for speculation and doubts...then you have friends of these insiders that come on here and add the "I know something, but can't tell you". I think Cooksey is out there, and I don't listen to his vids but at least he's trying to give some insider info, even though most of it's speculation...as TFS said, it's the octopus...
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In this Insta-Tweet-YouTube world that we're witnessing as of late...we get A LOT of so-called news that's nothing more than hear-say or "one-side of the story" gossip...or even worse than gossip...embellished, exaggerated or made up stories...that are reported as...

News.

I've witnessed it at a pretty extraordinary and unbelievable level just this last week.

But, some of this lack of credible news is our fault: we don't ask questions before we all run with it and re-tweet or repost it in other corners of our universe.
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4/12/2022 6:54am
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards 2. you didn't "clean up" for...
1. you didn't address why you refused to report on your own admission of knowing riders were faking vax cards
2. you didn't "clean up" for Cooksey - you cleaned up for your own credibility by following up after the fact and reporting what was already out of the bag, and are things i'm going to bet my paycheck you already knew about but wouldn't report it.

look, I don't really care as it's your business, not mine, and you have to handle things your way. This "moto journalism" thing just irks me cause I'm weary of these guys asking question in post race news briefings, but refuse to ask them about anything that is relevant AND often widely known. It's a lot of "kiss the ring, ask the softball questions, and we'll let you talk to our riders throughout the next week" and it's wearisome. At least this Cooksey guy had balls enough to say what he knew to be true while the more well known outlets had their heads in the sand.
ML512 wrote:
Because, three riders and multiple mechanics told me to my face they had fakes. That’s Feld’s problem, not mine to deal with. Not my place to...
Because, three riders and multiple mechanics told me to my face they had fakes. That’s Feld’s problem, not mine to deal with. Not my place to unearth that info with the way it was given to me and it was said in an off-record situation.

Cooksey went for it and for that I give him props. This is the fifth time in three years I heard the team would likely be done, I got a call about it last Monday but until I talked to more people and figured out what had gone sideways this time I wasn’t going to run out and say hey it’s going away, as it may have been another false alarm.

We’ve gone back and forth a few different times about this type of stuff. I’m not sure how I can describe it any differently. I just get frustrated when shots get taken at us about not being journalists and talking down about myself or my staff. We don’t proclaim to be journalists or push a hard hitting agenda. We create content and news stories. In this case I shared a news story with the information I felt I needed to convey what was going on.
yak651 wrote:
This is the problem. Fans want "news". The news reporters in this sport aren't journalist. They are former riders, mechanics, man friends...people that were in or...
This is the problem. Fans want "news". The news reporters in this sport aren't journalist. They are former riders, mechanics, man friends...people that were in or wanted to be in the industry. Heck you have a dude that calls himself "Darkside" that gets in the press conferences, WTF?? Not sure if Anton has any formal journalism background, but everyone else that gives reports or scoops are in the category listed (please correct me if I'm wrong). All the "journalist" in this industry do is repackage PR from the teams, promoters and sponsors. Unfortunately that leaves a lot of room for speculation and doubts...then you have friends of these insiders that come on here and add the "I know something, but can't tell you". I think Cooksey is out there, and I don't listen to his vids but at least he's trying to give some insider info, even though most of it's speculation...as TFS said, it's the octopus...
thank you. couldn't agree more.
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4/12/2022 7:13am
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I feel like there are a few reasons why you won’t see much change in journalism in Moto. People don’t understand how difficult it is to...
I feel like there are a few reasons why you won’t see much change in journalism in Moto.

People don’t understand how difficult it is to even get media credentials. Unless you are working for one of the larger sites/publications you’re going to have to put in some serious work/networking before you even will get a shot at media credentials. They don’t just hand them out, they look at your website traffic, social media, etc. and you have to hit certain amounts of impressions across all platforms which shows you have a following large enough for them to even allow you access. You also need to make commitments to go to as many rounds as you can.

Next point, bringing up the going to as many rounds as possible that I just mentioned. It is very hard for anyone else besides the main big players to make money in Moto media. Companies send large chunks of advertising dollars on the largest publications leaving not so much for the little guys trying to make it. So the small publications, trying to get in, normally are having to come out of pocket at least a decent amount. It is very expensive for flights, hotels, rental cars, etc. every weekend for 17 SX/12 MX rounds.

After doing everything you can to finally build up a publication/following/coming out of pocket to make it to a lot of rounds, etc. and you finally get access, do you think those guys are going to try and push boundaries? They have a lot of money/time invested just to get to that point because they love the sport so do you think they are willing to risk finally getting to that point and push some buttons that may get them pushed right back out?

The large publications, and the money they have coming in from a lot of companies, want to keep those companies happy. I’m sure they do their best not to ruffle any feathers so they will hopefully have repeat business. These companies usually can afford salaries and will retain guys a lot longer than the smaller publications as well so you probably won’t be seeing them push controversial topics too hard.

The industry is hard on people as well, the little publications that try to make it normally are working M-F 9-5 to help fund their expenses. Travel is brutal with leaving out on Fridays after work, long flights, long work days at the track, long days flying back home on Sunday while doing write ups/editing photos/etc. Living in hotels on the weekends every weekend gets old. When you’re small in the Moto world companies think they can walk all over you as well. I’ve seen people/companies steal photos, never pay, offer care packages for compensation instead of actual money, etc. Do you really think it’s worth it for the little companies to push too hard for that compensation and run the fear of having a bad name thrown out to the other companies? The less they spend the better for their companies but they don’t see that it hurts the small publications (everyone really) and pushes them to a point where it just isn’t worth chasing the dream anymore that they just move on with their lives. Then you’re right back to having the same guys covering the sport who don’t want to ruffle feathers and other smaller guys trying to make it and scared of getting balled because of how hard it is to get there in the first place.

To get anything different you’re going to almost have to have someone that is connected in the sport but not officially in the media. That is about the only way you’ll get some differentiating views than what you’ll see from the normal places because it is too risky for them to push the boundaries too far. From the outside it looks like a big sport/industry but from the inside everyone knows everyone so if you’re trying to make it you need to tread lightly.

Long read but hopefully that helps explain it to people that may not fully understand how difficult it is to even get in the media, let alone stay in the media, and why people may be hesitant to push the limits.
all of this makes sense.

I think what bends most of us up is that instead of acknowledge the realities for this industry as you posted, our "moto journalism bros" act all offended and clutching their pearls when they are confronted with "WHY DIDNT YOU ASK HIM ABOUT XYZ????" and they say "Cause it's not even news, bro" which is a total cop out.

just be honest!!! When you get beat up for not covering the major news story in our industry, just say "I really can't. They'd blackball us!' instead of "Oh that? It's a total non-issue! (until a competing rag covers it at which point we'll follow up with some sort of report on it to save face)"
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