MXGP empty gates

Titan1 wrote:

If MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, and the most prestigious, richest, best, most sought after championship in the world...it sure doesn't seem like the riders...

If MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, and the most prestigious, richest, best, most sought after championship in the world...it sure doesn't seem like the riders believe that if only 20 riders want to race it...seems if the riders thought it was the pinnacle of motocross, of all the amazing riders racing all national series' the world over, finding 40 guys that wanted to line up to race the pinnacle racing series in the world would be easy?

SO, as I see it, its either really not the pinnacle motocross series in the world...or....the sport of motocross is in such bad shape, that there are only 20 "top riders" in the entire world good enough to race it...or...the sport of motocross is in such bad shape financially that there is only funding for 20 riders to race the absolute pinnacle of the sport? The latter two means the sport of motocross is in a world of hurt...

vet40 wrote:

You obviously have never watched the emx classes mid season in Europe. There is so much talent over here. The cream rises to the top, to...

You obviously have never watched the emx classes mid season in Europe.

There is so much talent over here.

The cream rises to the top, to be competitive with the factory’s is a big ask, but the pressure coming from
The feeder euro series is why it’s so strong at the top.

Titan1 wrote:

Then if there is that much talent in the feeder series...why can't they get full gates? Half full gates indicates less top notch talent, not more.

Titan1 wrote:

Then if there is that much talent in the feeder series...why can't they get full gates? Half full gates indicates less top notch talent, not more.

vet40 wrote:

Because sometimes your better off fighting for wins in euro then 30th place in MXGP. I just don’t thing you can satisfy sponsors in the same...

Because sometimes your better off fighting for wins in euro then 30th place in MXGP.

I just don’t thing you can satisfy sponsors in the same way in 30th place.

Supercross only has 20 riders in the main

ajv#26 wrote:

For me l don't care... why a full gate if half are lapped?? Moto 2 mxgp [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/28/535913/s1200_Screenshot_20220228_190057_Samsung_Internet.jpg[/img]

For me l don't care... why a full gate if half are lapped??
Moto 2 mxgp

Spoonguy wrote:

Bottom line, most mini bike kids in this world dream of racing Anaheim some day, not some muddy field in the rain in Malaysia, Mexico, or...

Bottom line, most mini bike kids in this world dream of racing Anaheim some day, not some muddy field in the rain in Malaysia, Mexico, or Italy.

mxb2 wrote:

Sponsors like 60k fans though.

mxb2 wrote:

Sponsors like 60k fans though.

Leave Us To wrote:

Spectator count or TV viewer numbers more important to sponsors?

Titan1 wrote:

If MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, and the most prestigious, richest, best, most sought after championship in the world...it sure doesn't seem like the riders...

If MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, and the most prestigious, richest, best, most sought after championship in the world...it sure doesn't seem like the riders believe that if only 20 riders want to race it...seems if the riders thought it was the pinnacle of motocross, of all the amazing riders racing all national series' the world over, finding 40 guys that wanted to line up to race the pinnacle racing series in the world would be easy?

SO, as I see it, its either really not the pinnacle motocross series in the world...or....the sport of motocross is in such bad shape, that there are only 20 "top riders" in the entire world good enough to race it...or...the sport of motocross is in such bad shape financially that there is only funding for 20 riders to race the absolute pinnacle of the sport? The latter two means the sport of motocross is in a world of hurt...

vet40 wrote:

You obviously have never watched the emx classes mid season in Europe. There is so much talent over here. The cream rises to the top, to...

You obviously have never watched the emx classes mid season in Europe.

There is so much talent over here.

The cream rises to the top, to be competitive with the factory’s is a big ask, but the pressure coming from
The feeder euro series is why it’s so strong at the top.

Titan1 wrote:

Then if there is that much talent in the feeder series...why can't they get full gates? Half full gates indicates less top notch talent, not more.

RG1 wrote:

And this is exactly the problem, MXGP do not do justice to the amount of talent that is in Europe. Because they put such a financial...

And this is exactly the problem, MXGP do not do justice to the amount of talent that is in Europe. Because they put such a financial hurdle into getting into MX2 and MXGP that unless you are on a proper team you can’t do it. So a lot of the talent that should be racing Grand Prix’s are in the European classes instead, which I would bet a lot of international viewers don’t watch. And as much talent as there is in the EMX classes, there is probably just as many riders who are at GP points scoring level but have either been aged out or priced out of a GP ride. So they just ride in whatever national series is closest to them because they can make more money there.

Infront/MXGP make the level of depth of talent in Europe look far worse than it actually is, and for me, that is the ultimate failure

RG1 wrote:

The product is not great at MXGP right now. I went to Matterley and I left disheartened and disappointed. 23 riders racing around a track that...

The product is not great at MXGP right now. I went to Matterley and I left disheartened and disappointed. 23 riders racing around a track that size is really not much of a spectacle. You had a group of 15 that were relatively close together, and after that, 3/4 of a lap of mostly empty track with the odd rider dotted around riding around on their own.

This has long been a problem with MXGP, it’s been papered over by the fact that we’ve had some of the best riders we’ve ever seen at the front every week creating amazing racing between themselves. Take 2 or 3 of those guys out, I’m sorry to say, the product sucks. A rider getting hurt shouldn’t leave a space on the gate, there should be someone else there to take that space. Infront, have killed the privateer and forced numerous riders into retirement, because in Europe, if by the age of 24 you aren’t ready for 1 of 25 available 450 rides, that’s it, you’re done as a GP rider.

I’m done with MX2, I won’t watch it anymore, nothing against the riders in it, because the kids at the front are fast, but I can’t bring myself to watch it, there will only be 14 of them in Argentina. That isn’t a world championship, the idea that whoever wins the world championship this year will have the same accolade as some of the 125 or 250 cc world champions of the past is ridiculous to me.

I love the top riders in the GP’s, they are some of best the sport has ever seen, but unfortunately the series they race in is absolutely shambolic, and when people from all over the world tune it to watch and see a half full gate in a world championship, it makes everyone here look like a joke

RG1 wrote:

And this is exactly the problem, MXGP do not do justice to the amount of talent that is in Europe. Because they put such a financial...

And this is exactly the problem, MXGP do not do justice to the amount of talent that is in Europe. Because they put such a financial hurdle into getting into MX2 and MXGP that unless you are on a proper team you can’t do it. So a lot of the talent that should be racing Grand Prix’s are in the European classes instead, which I would bet a lot of international viewers don’t watch. And as much talent as there is in the EMX classes, there is probably just as many riders who are at GP points scoring level but have either been aged out or priced out of a GP ride. So they just ride in whatever national series is closest to them because they can make more money there.

Infront/MXGP make the level of depth of talent in Europe look far worse than it actually is, and for me, that is the ultimate failure

vet40 wrote:

If your a top level national rider, it isn’t such a challenge to enter euros. If you genuinely are fast enough to be competitive in MXGP...

If your a top level national rider, it isn’t such a challenge to enter euros. If you genuinely are fast enough to be competitive in MXGP, your be getting podiums at euros.

Then following year it’s not unrealistic to get a GP ride.

See Horgo lappuci as an examples

It’s about quality not quantity at the very top.

RG1 wrote:

And this is exactly the problem, MXGP do not do justice to the amount of talent that is in Europe. Because they put such a financial...

And this is exactly the problem, MXGP do not do justice to the amount of talent that is in Europe. Because they put such a financial hurdle into getting into MX2 and MXGP that unless you are on a proper team you can’t do it. So a lot of the talent that should be racing Grand Prix’s are in the European classes instead, which I would bet a lot of international viewers don’t watch. And as much talent as there is in the EMX classes, there is probably just as many riders who are at GP points scoring level but have either been aged out or priced out of a GP ride. So they just ride in whatever national series is closest to them because they can make more money there.

Infront/MXGP make the level of depth of talent in Europe look far worse than it actually is, and for me, that is the ultimate failure

vet40 wrote:

If your a top level national rider, it isn’t such a challenge to enter euros. If you genuinely are fast enough to be competitive in MXGP...

If your a top level national rider, it isn’t such a challenge to enter euros. If you genuinely are fast enough to be competitive in MXGP, your be getting podiums at euros.

Then following year it’s not unrealistic to get a GP ride.

See Horgo lappuci as an examples

It’s about quality not quantity at the very top.

RG1 wrote:

It’s about quality and quantity. Why choose one over the other when you could have both? You talk as if everyone in MXGP/MX2 would beat everyone...

It’s about quality and quantity. Why choose one over the other when you could have both? You talk as if everyone in MXGP/MX2 would beat everyone in the EMX classes and that just simply isn’t true. In Mantova in the timed practice sessions there were 37 riders in EMX 250 who posted faster lap times than the the rider who qualified 20th in MX2. 3 of those times were set by guys who didn’t even qualify for EMX250. Obviously the track does change, but MX2 were out straight after the second EMX250 session and that is a shit ton of riders that were fast enough on paper to score points in MX2 who weren’t even in the race.

And if you’re over 23, what is the incentive to race EMX? You can’t make any money, and you’ve no hope of earning a GP ride because the only class you can ride is EMX Open, so no MXGP team is going to hire a rider out of EMX Open and you can’t race MX2 because you’re too old

RG1 wrote:

It’s about quality and quantity. Why choose one over the other when you could have both? You talk as if everyone in MXGP/MX2 would beat everyone...

It’s about quality and quantity. Why choose one over the other when you could have both? You talk as if everyone in MXGP/MX2 would beat everyone in the EMX classes and that just simply isn’t true. In Mantova in the timed practice sessions there were 37 riders in EMX 250 who posted faster lap times than the the rider who qualified 20th in MX2. 3 of those times were set by guys who didn’t even qualify for EMX250. Obviously the track does change, but MX2 were out straight after the second EMX250 session and that is a shit ton of riders that were fast enough on paper to score points in MX2 who weren’t even in the race.

And if you’re over 23, what is the incentive to race EMX? You can’t make any money, and you’ve no hope of earning a GP ride because the only class you can ride is EMX Open, so no MXGP team is going to hire a rider out of EMX Open and you can’t race MX2 because you’re too old

vet40 wrote:

I think your over thinking it. Over the last 10 years in general the MXGP has just become stronger. Yes it’s unfortunate this year has started...

I think your over thinking it.

Over the last 10 years in general the MXGP has just become stronger.

Yes it’s unfortunate this year has started with a few top riders injured & a few riders retiring. But on the whole the pyramid class set up works well at providing elite level classes at the top.

There’s no doubt MXGP is the strongest motocross championship in the world.

vet40 wrote:

I think your over thinking it. Over the last 10 years in general the MXGP has just become stronger. Yes it’s unfortunate this year has started...

I think your over thinking it.

Over the last 10 years in general the MXGP has just become stronger.

Yes it’s unfortunate this year has started with a few top riders injured & a few riders retiring. But on the whole the pyramid class set up works well at providing elite level classes at the top.

There’s no doubt MXGP is the strongest motocross championship in the world.

RG1 wrote:

The pyramid doesn’t work well, it’s broken, and it doesn’t create elite level classes at the top, it creates one, for about 30 riders, and if...

The pyramid doesn’t work well, it’s broken, and it doesn’t create elite level classes at the top, it creates one, for about 30 riders, and if you can’t quite get in that for whatever reason, that’s it, you’re done at 23.

EMX 125 I have no problem with, it’s a great series, a chance for young kids to race on proper tracks and hone their skills and race in front of the people that matter. The problem comes after that.

The 250’s are broken because at least half the people who should be racing 250GP’s are either too old or now racing European Championship because they can’t afford to race the Grand Prix class. There is enough 250 riders in Europe to have a very strong and very competitive MX2 world championship, but not if you rule half of them out by age and then split it in half.

MXGP looks great because you look at the names all the way down the entry list or results sheet and everyone there is top level, but if you think about all the riders that should also be there, that aren’t there’s at least half as many again. There are about 30 rides available in MXGP, you’ve got 10 proper top guys, so you’re left with 20 450 rides in Europe for everyone else, and if you don’t get one you’re done. Add to that the fact that every year you’re pushing 3-4 riders out of MX2 into that class, the rider turnover is absolutely ridiculous. And all the guys getting pushed out of MX2 will ride for basically nothing just to get a shot, so nobody is getting paid what they should. It’s an absolute mess

We should be able to get 60 entries for both GP classes at every non-flyaway GP without even trying, and we can’t even get half of that. I’m sorry, but if you only get half a gate and your product falls to shit with 3-4 injuries, you don’t have the strongest motocross series on the planet

RG1 wrote:

The pyramid doesn’t work well, it’s broken, and it doesn’t create elite level classes at the top, it creates one, for about 30 riders, and if...

The pyramid doesn’t work well, it’s broken, and it doesn’t create elite level classes at the top, it creates one, for about 30 riders, and if you can’t quite get in that for whatever reason, that’s it, you’re done at 23.

EMX 125 I have no problem with, it’s a great series, a chance for young kids to race on proper tracks and hone their skills and race in front of the people that matter. The problem comes after that.

The 250’s are broken because at least half the people who should be racing 250GP’s are either too old or now racing European Championship because they can’t afford to race the Grand Prix class. There is enough 250 riders in Europe to have a very strong and very competitive MX2 world championship, but not if you rule half of them out by age and then split it in half.

MXGP looks great because you look at the names all the way down the entry list or results sheet and everyone there is top level, but if you think about all the riders that should also be there, that aren’t there’s at least half as many again. There are about 30 rides available in MXGP, you’ve got 10 proper top guys, so you’re left with 20 450 rides in Europe for everyone else, and if you don’t get one you’re done. Add to that the fact that every year you’re pushing 3-4 riders out of MX2 into that class, the rider turnover is absolutely ridiculous. And all the guys getting pushed out of MX2 will ride for basically nothing just to get a shot, so nobody is getting paid what they should. It’s an absolute mess

We should be able to get 60 entries for both GP classes at every non-flyaway GP without even trying, and we can’t even get half of that. I’m sorry, but if you only get half a gate and your product falls to shit with 3-4 injuries, you don’t have the strongest motocross series on the planet

vet40 wrote:

MXGP is the F1 of motocross. There are many racing drivers in the world, how many race f1 ? MXGP is about sink or swim at...

MXGP is the F1 of motocross. There are many racing drivers in the world, how many race f1 ?

MXGP is about sink or swim at the sharp end. There’s only so many top teams that can provide a competitive racer a chance.

At the end of the day MXGP riders are the fastest in the world, and it’s because of this current system.

JMX82 wrote:

It's starting to look more like an Italian Championship with four races in Italy with the most recent calendar update... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/03/11/537532/s1200_Calendar22.jpg[/img]

It's starting to look more like an Italian Championship with four races in Italy with the most recent calendar update...