J mart out for Daytona

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If the rumor of a torn labrum is correct, I hope he can get healthy and have it strong again by outdoors.
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All the talk about how “weak” the west coast series is…. Is it really any “weaker” than east at this point?
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Plot twist, Philthy wins 22 Sx East after jett and mcadoo get hurt within two more rounds Laughing
The earth would shift off of its axis.
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So top guys still in it are macadoo, jett, lopes, robertson ,smith. brown , nicolletti at 20 points out. If we take out the top 2, I would go with Smith.
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thewrizzle wrote:
All the talk about how “weak” the west coast series is…. Is it really any “weaker” than east at this point?
No. They’re both super weak. In years past I’ve never been a fan of combining the coasts because it would take rides away from guys…. But now I’m really starting to reconsider it. Even if we combined both coasts we’d still only have a few legit contenders.
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thewrizzle wrote:
All the talk about how “weak” the west coast series is…. Is it really any “weaker” than east at this point?
agn5008 wrote:
No. They’re both super weak. In years past I’ve never been a fan of combining the coasts because it would take rides away from guys…. But...
No. They’re both super weak. In years past I’ve never been a fan of combining the coasts because it would take rides away from guys…. But now I’m really starting to reconsider it. Even if we combined both coasts we’d still only have a few legit contenders.
The coasts aren’t about providing entertainment value for the casual fan they are about providing track time to more riders across the board. Combining them will ruin that.
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Man this sucks!! Was hoping to see him get back in this with a W. This sport sucks sometimes.

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Levi Kitchen
Definitely heard of him, still digging through results trying to dig up this Kitchens fellow though.
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Maybe Kevin Kelly could clue us in on who this Kitchens guy is?Silly Silly
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tuggy450 wrote:
So top guys still in it are macadoo, jett, lopes, robertson ,smith. brown , nicolletti at 20 points out. If we take out the top 2...
So top guys still in it are macadoo, jett, lopes, robertson ,smith. brown , nicolletti at 20 points out. If we take out the top 2, I would go with Smith.
Smith’s a great dude and I would like to see him pull it off, but his history hasn’t been the best for getting it done.
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thewrizzle wrote:
All the talk about how “weak” the west coast series is…. Is it really any “weaker” than east at this point?
agn5008 wrote:
No. They’re both super weak. In years past I’ve never been a fan of combining the coasts because it would take rides away from guys…. But...
No. They’re both super weak. In years past I’ve never been a fan of combining the coasts because it would take rides away from guys…. But now I’m really starting to reconsider it. Even if we combined both coasts we’d still only have a few legit contenders.
chasetwo79 wrote:
The coasts aren’t about providing entertainment value for the casual fan they are about providing track time to more riders across the board. Combining them will...
The coasts aren’t about providing entertainment value for the casual fan they are about providing track time to more riders across the board. Combining them will ruin that.
The entire purpose of any professional sport which is televised is to provide entertainment value to the fans. Without the fans the sport wouldn’t generate money which in return the sport wouldn’t exist.

I understand that the purpose of the 250 class is to kind of “groom” riders for the 450 class (which in reality isn’t happening with the Craig’s, JMarts, Nicoletti’s, Friese’s etc of the group) however do you honestly see more than a few of the current 250 guys actually making mains in the 450 class in the future?
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And just like that the stacked east region is no more.
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agn5008 wrote:
No. They’re both super weak. In years past I’ve never been a fan of combining the coasts because it would take rides away from guys…. But...
No. They’re both super weak. In years past I’ve never been a fan of combining the coasts because it would take rides away from guys…. But now I’m really starting to reconsider it. Even if we combined both coasts we’d still only have a few legit contenders.
chasetwo79 wrote:
The coasts aren’t about providing entertainment value for the casual fan they are about providing track time to more riders across the board. Combining them will...
The coasts aren’t about providing entertainment value for the casual fan they are about providing track time to more riders across the board. Combining them will ruin that.
agn5008 wrote:
The entire purpose of any professional sport which is televised is to provide entertainment value to the fans. Without the fans the sport wouldn’t generate money...
The entire purpose of any professional sport which is televised is to provide entertainment value to the fans. Without the fans the sport wouldn’t generate money which in return the sport wouldn’t exist.

I understand that the purpose of the 250 class is to kind of “groom” riders for the 450 class (which in reality isn’t happening with the Craig’s, JMarts, Nicoletti’s, Friese’s etc of the group) however do you honestly see more than a few of the current 250 guys actually making mains in the 450 class in the future?
This would be accurate if we were talking about the premier class. Triple A baseball teams worry about developing players, not if the product on field is entertaining. The majors worry about what’s entertaining and winning.

Same system works for SX.

We have 46 450 entries for Daytona this weekend. 46. There aren’t enough good riders are the elite level that we’re about to just auto sign up for the main event. We need more riders to develop on 250s and eventually fill all stages of the 450 class, from winners to night show bubble guys. Cut the developmental class in half and we will have less making it to the 450s.

Think of the 250s like an under card fight. It’s never the main course anyhow.
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All this means is that…

F it! I guess I’m goin’ to Millville this summer. I gotta get me some Martin-Moto-time. Period! Silly
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So the only 2 title contenders left both have a history of crashing, what are the odds that a non factory guy wins the championship?
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chasetwo79 wrote:
The coasts aren’t about providing entertainment value for the casual fan they are about providing track time to more riders across the board. Combining them will...
The coasts aren’t about providing entertainment value for the casual fan they are about providing track time to more riders across the board. Combining them will ruin that.
agn5008 wrote:
The entire purpose of any professional sport which is televised is to provide entertainment value to the fans. Without the fans the sport wouldn’t generate money...
The entire purpose of any professional sport which is televised is to provide entertainment value to the fans. Without the fans the sport wouldn’t generate money which in return the sport wouldn’t exist.

I understand that the purpose of the 250 class is to kind of “groom” riders for the 450 class (which in reality isn’t happening with the Craig’s, JMarts, Nicoletti’s, Friese’s etc of the group) however do you honestly see more than a few of the current 250 guys actually making mains in the 450 class in the future?
chasetwo79 wrote:
This would be accurate if we were talking about the premier class. Triple A baseball teams worry about developing players, not if the product on field...
This would be accurate if we were talking about the premier class. Triple A baseball teams worry about developing players, not if the product on field is entertaining. The majors worry about what’s entertaining and winning.

Same system works for SX.

We have 46 450 entries for Daytona this weekend. 46. There aren’t enough good riders are the elite level that we’re about to just auto sign up for the main event. We need more riders to develop on 250s and eventually fill all stages of the 450 class, from winners to night show bubble guys. Cut the developmental class in half and we will have less making it to the 450s.

Think of the 250s like an under card fight. It’s never the main course anyhow.
AAA baseball doesn't need to worry about entertainment because it doesn't air on national television. Splitting the class into coasts wasn't designed to develop more riders, it was designed to keep costs down for teams and privateers. If a rider couldn't make a combined 250SX main, what hope would they have of making a 450SX main?
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agn5008 wrote:
The entire purpose of any professional sport which is televised is to provide entertainment value to the fans. Without the fans the sport wouldn’t generate money...
The entire purpose of any professional sport which is televised is to provide entertainment value to the fans. Without the fans the sport wouldn’t generate money which in return the sport wouldn’t exist.

I understand that the purpose of the 250 class is to kind of “groom” riders for the 450 class (which in reality isn’t happening with the Craig’s, JMarts, Nicoletti’s, Friese’s etc of the group) however do you honestly see more than a few of the current 250 guys actually making mains in the 450 class in the future?
chasetwo79 wrote:
This would be accurate if we were talking about the premier class. Triple A baseball teams worry about developing players, not if the product on field...
This would be accurate if we were talking about the premier class. Triple A baseball teams worry about developing players, not if the product on field is entertaining. The majors worry about what’s entertaining and winning.

Same system works for SX.

We have 46 450 entries for Daytona this weekend. 46. There aren’t enough good riders are the elite level that we’re about to just auto sign up for the main event. We need more riders to develop on 250s and eventually fill all stages of the 450 class, from winners to night show bubble guys. Cut the developmental class in half and we will have less making it to the 450s.

Think of the 250s like an under card fight. It’s never the main course anyhow.
smee113 wrote:
AAA baseball doesn't need to worry about entertainment because it doesn't air on national television. Splitting the class into coasts wasn't designed to develop more riders...
AAA baseball doesn't need to worry about entertainment because it doesn't air on national television. Splitting the class into coasts wasn't designed to develop more riders, it was designed to keep costs down for teams and privateers. If a rider couldn't make a combined 250SX main, what hope would they have of making a 450SX main?
That’s the point… they are supposed to be able to race a less competitive series first to get laps and eventually main events under their belt before moving to the 450 class. Not every rider comes into the game with main event speed. Some riders had to build - think Ryan Breece, ARay, etc. The sink or swim approach doesn’t work for everyone.

And the coasts were absolutely built as a developmental class. It was meant for riders to learn how a lesser series worked while giving teams and brands more exposure and champ opportunities. There’s a reason they race SX futures on 250s and not 450s.
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Philthy is entertaining!
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J-Mart

Your 2023 250 supercross champion
I think you mean 2023 Vet World champion.
You make a point. Jeremy is 30 next year. Does he round his carear out on the wee bikes & do another year in 250 next year?
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J-Mart

Your 2023 250 supercross champion
I think you mean 2023 Vet World champion.
You make a point. Jeremy is 30 next year. Does he round his carear out on the wee bikes & do another year in 250 next...
You make a point. Jeremy is 30 next year. Does he round his carear out on the wee bikes & do another year in 250 next year?
Assuming he does some winning outdoors this year, he’ll get another good paying 250 gig next year. If he moves up, he won’t make enough to make it worth doing for a guy with two 250 championships.
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Shoulder injury of some sort.
Yeah, we read that about four post above yours…
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J-Mart

Your 2023 250 supercross champion
I think you mean 2023 Vet World champion.
You make a point. Jeremy is 30 next year. Does he round his carear out on the wee bikes & do another year in 250 next...
You make a point. Jeremy is 30 next year. Does he round his carear out on the wee bikes & do another year in 250 next year?
In 2 years people will be bitching about J Mart as they are Craig.
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chasetwo79 wrote:
That’s the point… they are supposed to be able to race a less competitive series first to get laps and eventually main events under their belt...
That’s the point… they are supposed to be able to race a less competitive series first to get laps and eventually main events under their belt before moving to the 450 class. Not every rider comes into the game with main event speed. Some riders had to build - think Ryan Breece, ARay, etc. The sink or swim approach doesn’t work for everyone.

And the coasts were absolutely built as a developmental class. It was meant for riders to learn how a lesser series worked while giving teams and brands more exposure and champ opportunities. There’s a reason they race SX futures on 250s and not 450s.
A Ray spent years racing 450 LCQs, not the 250 class, so if anything that counters your point. Virtually every 450 main rider was top 10, if not top 5, in the 250's. Meaning, they would also be making mains in a combined 250 class. Riders like Breece are the exception, not the rule.

And I'm not disputing that the 250 class was designed as a development class; I disputing the reason it was split into coasts.

Either way, it's hard to argue it's still a proper development class when you have guys like Craig and J Mart racing the class into their late 20's and early 30's.

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3/3/2022 10:19pm
J Mart to the gps next year would awesome
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3/3/2022 11:19pm
J Mart to the gps next year would awesome
Not possible in the 250’s with the age rule unfortunately
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3/3/2022 11:33pm
Forgive me if it’s been discussed already, I can’t read every post, is there a possible fill in rider for star? Surely they need a bike on the track?
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What happened to Kitchens?
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Funny how those that said the East was only an injury or two different from West, got ridiculed in the East is so much deeper thread…..
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