Will Suzuki update the RM-Z in 2023?

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Grouper 2/22/2022 12:50pm
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he...
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he didn't' have to kick the rmz. He stalled in the corner before the finish. It took him 25-30 seconds to get the bike running. It flat out is a performance issues when stalling or tip over and you have to kick and I get to press a button. I am sure you will discount that but that is a real example that happened. He ended up finishing 5th that moto when he easily could of got 1st or 2nd.
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You’re sure I’ll find a way to discount that? Why did you say that?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
So you admit in the situation the e-start was a performance upgrade over kicking? I mean, I don't see how you couldn't admit it, just curious.
“Admit it”? “Discounting”?

You act like I work for Big Kickstarter and I’m here to destroy the electric start. Im not. Im here to discover why this one piece of equipment alone seems to trash the whole brand.

This is a good point, I just didn’t really consider it. No “admittance” needed. Stop with the weird language. I guess I’ve never noticed someone going down and then not being able to start the bike. Come to think of it it happens to all brands the e-start just makes the restart a little faster.

What a bizarre thread this has become lol
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H.E.penyypacker432 2/22/2022 12:50pm
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Grouper wrote:
My original question was “ Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start?” I want legit performance reasons...
My original question was

“ Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start?”

I want legit performance reasons that you all demand electric start out of a bike. So far I have gotten “it’s 2022”, “I like it”, “cars have electric start and AC”.

These are illogical and don’t make any sense. They are not answers. You, however, are a true product of the modern age. You cry and name call when someone pushes back at your sacred commentary. Get your test levels checked, you act feminine.
You’ve got to be a high school kid bored in class
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Grouper 2/22/2022 12:51pm
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Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
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In a heat race a few years back there was a pile up in the first corner. Everyone got up and rode off except the Suzukis...
In a heat race a few years back there was a pile up in the first corner. Everyone got up and rode off except the Suzukis that were kicking, and kicking, and kicking, while the race went on without them. It should have been an embarrassing moment for Suzuki, the guys in the TV booth were making jokes about it on live TV. In that moment, would you not agree having the button would be a performance benefit?

Chris Wheeler said Suzuki R&D (R.I.P.) had been asking for electric start dating back to 2011-2012, but could not get support from the mother ship. All resources were going to MotoGP.
Yeah that’s pretty rough lol
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Grouper wrote:
I don’t have an RMZ.

Still waiting for an answer to my original question.
AH387 wrote:
Your post above said your RMZ starts first kick, so that's what I am going off of. And to answer your question, public demand. It's that...
Your post above said your RMZ starts first kick, so that's what I am going off of.

And to answer your question, public demand. It's that simple. People want the convenience of it.
Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
The answer to your question lies in the sales numbers vs. every other OEM that has electric start. 99.9% of Vital members could never use the RMZ to its full potential and I think they’re good looking bikes but the lack of e-start makes me look the other way when shopping bikes. Maybe it’s a mental thing or maybe I’m lazy but until they update, the number of units sold will continue to dwindle.

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INeedaNewUsername 2/22/2022 1:00pm
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Where's Tyler's take on this? I hope they formed a new Susuki for next yEAr
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Grouper wrote:
You’re sure I’ll find a way to discount that? Why did you say that?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
So you admit in the situation the e-start was a performance upgrade over kicking? I mean, I don't see how you couldn't admit it, just curious.
Grouper wrote:
“Admit it”? “Discounting”? You act like I work for Big Kickstarter and I’m here to destroy the electric start. Im not. Im here to discover why...
“Admit it”? “Discounting”?

You act like I work for Big Kickstarter and I’m here to destroy the electric start. Im not. Im here to discover why this one piece of equipment alone seems to trash the whole brand.

This is a good point, I just didn’t really consider it. No “admittance” needed. Stop with the weird language. I guess I’ve never noticed someone going down and then not being able to start the bike. Come to think of it it happens to all brands the e-start just makes the restart a little faster.

What a bizarre thread this has become lol
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year with barely any updates. Yes, they handle well. They also handled well 10 years ago too. Also put an RMZ next to any other bike (maybe not Kawi) and even the fit and finish is not up to par with the other brands. The RMZ has zero advantage in any category compared to its rivals, other than price. The lack of e-start is not the bikes problem.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 1:14pm
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Grouper wrote:
My original question was “ Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start?” I want legit performance reasons...
My original question was

“ Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start?”

I want legit performance reasons that you all demand electric start out of a bike. So far I have gotten “it’s 2022”, “I like it”, “cars have electric start and AC”.

These are illogical and don’t make any sense. They are not answers. You, however, are a true product of the modern age. You cry and name call when someone pushes back at your sacred commentary. Get your test levels checked, you act feminine.
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
You’ve got to be a high school kid bored in class
Why are you still talking to me, m’am?
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
So you admit in the situation the e-start was a performance upgrade over kicking? I mean, I don't see how you couldn't admit it, just curious.
Grouper wrote:
“Admit it”? “Discounting”? You act like I work for Big Kickstarter and I’m here to destroy the electric start. Im not. Im here to discover why...
“Admit it”? “Discounting”?

You act like I work for Big Kickstarter and I’m here to destroy the electric start. Im not. Im here to discover why this one piece of equipment alone seems to trash the whole brand.

This is a good point, I just didn’t really consider it. No “admittance” needed. Stop with the weird language. I guess I’ve never noticed someone going down and then not being able to start the bike. Come to think of it it happens to all brands the e-start just makes the restart a little faster.

What a bizarre thread this has become lol
fourfourone wrote:
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year...
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year with barely any updates. Yes, they handle well. They also handled well 10 years ago too. Also put an RMZ next to any other bike (maybe not Kawi) and even the fit and finish is not up to par with the other brands. The RMZ has zero advantage in any category compared to its rivals, other than price. The lack of e-start is not the bikes problem.
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut.

I see it’s turned into a Suzuki hate thread when all I asked about was the e-start cause I simply didn’t understand the mystic allure it has. In case you didn’t notice, the YZ250 Has been the same for 17 years, go make a rage thread about that.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 1:22pm
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AH387 wrote:
Your post above said your RMZ starts first kick, so that's what I am going off of. And to answer your question, public demand. It's that...
Your post above said your RMZ starts first kick, so that's what I am going off of.

And to answer your question, public demand. It's that simple. People want the convenience of it.
Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
reded301 wrote:
The answer to your question lies in the sales numbers vs. every other OEM that has electric start. 99.9% of Vital members could never use the...
The answer to your question lies in the sales numbers vs. every other OEM that has electric start. 99.9% of Vital members could never use the RMZ to its full potential and I think they’re good looking bikes but the lack of e-start makes me look the other way when shopping bikes. Maybe it’s a mental thing or maybe I’m lazy but until they update, the number of units sold will continue to dwindle.
I’d prefer to not have it, it’s just another thing to break. But we see from two different hills is all, no biggie.
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fourfourone 2/22/2022 1:26pm
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Grouper wrote:
“Admit it”? “Discounting”? You act like I work for Big Kickstarter and I’m here to destroy the electric start. Im not. Im here to discover why...
“Admit it”? “Discounting”?

You act like I work for Big Kickstarter and I’m here to destroy the electric start. Im not. Im here to discover why this one piece of equipment alone seems to trash the whole brand.

This is a good point, I just didn’t really consider it. No “admittance” needed. Stop with the weird language. I guess I’ve never noticed someone going down and then not being able to start the bike. Come to think of it it happens to all brands the e-start just makes the restart a little faster.

What a bizarre thread this has become lol
fourfourone wrote:
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year...
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year with barely any updates. Yes, they handle well. They also handled well 10 years ago too. Also put an RMZ next to any other bike (maybe not Kawi) and even the fit and finish is not up to par with the other brands. The RMZ has zero advantage in any category compared to its rivals, other than price. The lack of e-start is not the bikes problem.
Grouper wrote:
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut. I...
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut.

I see it’s turned into a Suzuki hate thread when all I asked about was the e-start cause I simply didn’t understand the mystic allure it has. In case you didn’t notice, the YZ250 Has been the same for 17 years, go make a rage thread about that.
New frame and new swingarm don't mean much when the rest is 10 year old tech.

Are you really that mad you bought an RMZ lol? You could have spent a few more bucks and got a much better bike. Since you have no idea on the importance of E-start, I am going to assume you don't really ride dirtbikes other than putting around your backyard on the yellow dinosaur.
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mattyhamz2 2/22/2022 1:46pm
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Grouper wrote:
You’re beyond help.
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
You’re just being an asshole at this point. If you can’t figure out why the RMZ needs electric start that’s on you. Also, a hot start...
You’re just being an asshole at this point. If you can’t figure out why the RMZ needs electric start that’s on you. Also, a hot start button?? What year are you in?

It’s common sense to put an E start on a bike now. Shit even 110’s have E start now. It’s 2022. Evolve.
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To be fair, 110s have had e-start since before mxers.
They also come with a kickstarter in case the battery fails Tongue
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fourfourone wrote:
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year...
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year with barely any updates. Yes, they handle well. They also handled well 10 years ago too. Also put an RMZ next to any other bike (maybe not Kawi) and even the fit and finish is not up to par with the other brands. The RMZ has zero advantage in any category compared to its rivals, other than price. The lack of e-start is not the bikes problem.
Grouper wrote:
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut. I...
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut.

I see it’s turned into a Suzuki hate thread when all I asked about was the e-start cause I simply didn’t understand the mystic allure it has. In case you didn’t notice, the YZ250 Has been the same for 17 years, go make a rage thread about that.
fourfourone wrote:
New frame and new swingarm don't mean much when the rest is 10 year old tech. Are you really that mad you bought an RMZ lol...
New frame and new swingarm don't mean much when the rest is 10 year old tech.

Are you really that mad you bought an RMZ lol? You could have spent a few more bucks and got a much better bike. Since you have no idea on the importance of E-start, I am going to assume you don't really ride dirtbikes other than putting around your backyard on the yellow dinosaur.
Yeah this is why I keep saying you have a low IQ. I do not own an RMZ. Never said I did. I used to race them. I own a gasgas 350f and a YZ. I never once have thought "wow i really need an e-start" either. You literally post exclusively dumb takes just quit it dude. Log off lol.
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reded301 2/22/2022 1:55pm
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Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
reded301 wrote:
The answer to your question lies in the sales numbers vs. every other OEM that has electric start. 99.9% of Vital members could never use the...
The answer to your question lies in the sales numbers vs. every other OEM that has electric start. 99.9% of Vital members could never use the RMZ to its full potential and I think they’re good looking bikes but the lack of e-start makes me look the other way when shopping bikes. Maybe it’s a mental thing or maybe I’m lazy but until they update, the number of units sold will continue to dwindle.
Grouper wrote:
I’d prefer to not have it, it’s just another thing to break. But we see from two different hills is all, no biggie.
That’s fine but you have to admit you’re in the minority and becoming even more so with each passing year that the bike isn’t updated.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 1:59pm
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reded301 wrote:
The answer to your question lies in the sales numbers vs. every other OEM that has electric start. 99.9% of Vital members could never use the...
The answer to your question lies in the sales numbers vs. every other OEM that has electric start. 99.9% of Vital members could never use the RMZ to its full potential and I think they’re good looking bikes but the lack of e-start makes me look the other way when shopping bikes. Maybe it’s a mental thing or maybe I’m lazy but until they update, the number of units sold will continue to dwindle.
Grouper wrote:
I’d prefer to not have it, it’s just another thing to break. But we see from two different hills is all, no biggie.
reded301 wrote:
That’s fine but you have to admit you’re in the minority and becoming even more so with each passing year that the bike isn’t updated.
Totally. I just bought an e start bike like I said. I’m sure someone said similar things about EFI before though. My whole position is that I don’t see it as a performance dealbreaker by any means. I said in a previous thread the reason I don’t buy a Suzuki is over the resale value. Riding yellow this year is a massive investment when you look big picture.
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fourfourone wrote:
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year...
The rmz has been pretty much the same bike for 10 years. That is why. They continue to sell the same stagnant bike year after year with barely any updates. Yes, they handle well. They also handled well 10 years ago too. Also put an RMZ next to any other bike (maybe not Kawi) and even the fit and finish is not up to par with the other brands. The RMZ has zero advantage in any category compared to its rivals, other than price. The lack of e-start is not the bikes problem.
Grouper wrote:
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut. I...
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut.

I see it’s turned into a Suzuki hate thread when all I asked about was the e-start cause I simply didn’t understand the mystic allure it has. In case you didn’t notice, the YZ250 Has been the same for 17 years, go make a rage thread about that.
fourfourone wrote:
New frame and new swingarm don't mean much when the rest is 10 year old tech. Are you really that mad you bought an RMZ lol...
New frame and new swingarm don't mean much when the rest is 10 year old tech.

Are you really that mad you bought an RMZ lol? You could have spent a few more bucks and got a much better bike. Since you have no idea on the importance of E-start, I am going to assume you don't really ride dirtbikes other than putting around your backyard on the yellow dinosaur.
My Suzuki barks fuckin hard.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 2:11pm
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Grouper wrote:
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut. I...
It literally got a new frame and swing arm and suspension over the last couple of years along with a whole cosmetic restyle lol wut.

I see it’s turned into a Suzuki hate thread when all I asked about was the e-start cause I simply didn’t understand the mystic allure it has. In case you didn’t notice, the YZ250 Has been the same for 17 years, go make a rage thread about that.
fourfourone wrote:
New frame and new swingarm don't mean much when the rest is 10 year old tech. Are you really that mad you bought an RMZ lol...
New frame and new swingarm don't mean much when the rest is 10 year old tech.

Are you really that mad you bought an RMZ lol? You could have spent a few more bucks and got a much better bike. Since you have no idea on the importance of E-start, I am going to assume you don't really ride dirtbikes other than putting around your backyard on the yellow dinosaur.
Sandusky26 wrote:
My Suzuki barks fuckin hard.
I wanna ride one so bad.
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he...
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he didn't' have to kick the rmz. He stalled in the corner before the finish. It took him 25-30 seconds to get the bike running. It flat out is a performance issues when stalling or tip over and you have to kick and I get to press a button. I am sure you will discount that but that is a real example that happened. He ended up finishing 5th that moto when he easily could of got 1st or 2nd.
Since this thread has gone off the rails, I'm going to jump in with this:

There is no such thing as "could of" or "would of".

It is "could've" and "would've". They are contractions of "could have" and "would have".

Otherwise, you made a good point.
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he...
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he didn't' have to kick the rmz. He stalled in the corner before the finish. It took him 25-30 seconds to get the bike running. It flat out is a performance issues when stalling or tip over and you have to kick and I get to press a button. I am sure you will discount that but that is a real example that happened. He ended up finishing 5th that moto when he easily could of got 1st or 2nd.
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Since this thread has gone off the rails, I'm going to jump in with this: There is no such thing as "could of" or "would of"...
Since this thread has gone off the rails, I'm going to jump in with this:

There is no such thing as "could of" or "would of".

It is "could've" and "would've". They are contractions of "could have" and "would have".

Otherwise, you made a good point.
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Jesus all the e start comments 😂 I can’t count how many times I’ve watched someone eat shit in sx or the nationals just staring down at their handlebars pushing the magic button, pushing, pushing pushingggggg. I got my rmz pre COVID, sticker was $5950, the husky next to it was $9550. I’m good with more Monies in my pocket and a bike I have to kick 1-2 times everytime, revalved suspension as you would any color bike, Suzuki’s are absolutely bullet proof as well anyone who’s anyone will tell you that, and that 99.9 percent of you are no faster, just spending more money.
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The tech is cool on other bikes but it’s not needed, just going to keep pricing them selves out of people that actually buy these things.
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The tech is cool on other bikes but it’s not needed, just going to keep pricing them selves out of people that actually buy these things.
Motocross bikes are about 500 dollars from being too much for my taste. It’s not about what I can afford, but what I’m willing to pay. I bet a lot of people feel like that too. If I could get an RMZ for 6k I’d have done it probably. The gasgas is cool but idk if I’ll ever notice the differences. Maybe I will when I do a spring conversion to it for another $1000 dollars 😂😂😂
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Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of...
Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of failure, you have to kick it like you have your whole life unless this is your first year riding.

Not to mention, my RM-Z never started on the second kick. Always first. I'm failing to see why this makes everyone cry.
Ever tore your ACL? MCL? PCL? Meniscus? All of the above?
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Hilarious to listen to someone argue against electric start. Hell buy you a bike with drum brakes and a carburetor if you like. Go buy a new truck with roll up windows and a regular cab. Amazing that you either argue to argue or just really stuck in a time warp somewhere.
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If suzuki were to come out with a new bike that the tests say it’s unreal except for no electric start, you’d see how many people would jump on it still. They don’t sell because the image is that it’s a stale overweight model. People flock to change even if it isn’t better and sometimes even when it’s worse. I’d love to see Suzuki come out with a model that everyone slobbers all over.
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mb60 wrote:
Hilarious to listen to someone argue against electric start. Hell buy you a bike with drum brakes and a carburetor if you like. Go buy a...
Hilarious to listen to someone argue against electric start. Hell buy you a bike with drum brakes and a carburetor if you like. Go buy a new truck with roll up windows and a regular cab. Amazing that you either argue to argue or just really stuck in a time warp somewhere.
Hilarious to listen so someone bag on a bike because it doesn’t have e start as if it’s the end all be all, the
Truck argument makes no sense, the truck can do the same exact thing as the fancy truck for far less money, if you want to spend extra for other stuff, fine, but that doesn’t make the other truck not capable, but still a shitty comparison. I guess the poor Yz250 is on the chopping block now that ktm will have an fi 2 stroke that’s e start, idk how it’s gone this long without getting shit
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RaceFace58 2/22/2022 6:32pm
2/22/2022 6:32pm
Trucks are bad comparison too because they are getting out of hand in price. I’m not sure you can get a cheap somewhat no frills truck anymore. If estart was a $1,000 option on a bike I’d choose kickstart every time. All of this new crap is marketing. People don’t need it, the masses WANT it. You can go to any local race and see guys out there on 20 year old bikes being totally competitive against 2022 models. It isn’t 1996 where a 1984 was a complete joke in comparison.
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Magoofan 2/22/2022 6:42pm
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I hope Suzuki releases an updated model that kicks ass and dominates....just to shut up all the haters.

The funny thing is....the current Suzuki is a great enough bike for the majority of people on this forum.

Self delusion is a wonderful marketing tool.



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Sandusky26 2/23/2022 1:26am
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I’m just waiting for Honda and KTM to update their bikes. Been using the same engines since 2018.

Someone should tell the Factory Edition owners,
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Viking782 2/23/2022 2:23am
2/23/2022 2:23am
Grouper wrote:
Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of...
Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of failure, you have to kick it like you have your whole life unless this is your first year riding.

Not to mention, my RM-Z never started on the second kick. Always first. I'm failing to see why this makes everyone cry.
Ask Tomac. He lost a sx championship because his kawi didn’t have one.
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