PulpMX has started the Silly Season early

Edited Date/Time 6/16/2022 11:47am
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Roczen, Webb, AC9 and DF14 are all out of contract at the end if 2022. Two are RedBull riders and two are Monster riders.

Forkner will be moving up in 2023.
Jmart6 will also be moving up.

Dean W was going to retire at the end of last year but was offered a awesome deal for 2022. I can see Wilson hanging it up to free up the ride.

Any thoughts?
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2/17/2022 10:41am Edited Date/Time 2/17/2022 1:04pm
I’m mostly interested in Dylan’s move. I don’t think moving to one of the KTM teams will improve his SX results and the current team he’s on is currently winning the SX championship and he won last year’s MX championship and I would assume is a heavy favorite for this years national championship as well.

Unless they throw a crazy amount of money at him, I can’t see why Yamaha would let him slip away when their tide has finally turned. Webb will be interesting, Roczen seems like he’s going to retire.

Kawi is infamous for letting their stars go early so I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if they kick AC to the curb but he will land a solid ride if they don’t renew his contract. I think we may see a few 3 man 450 factory teams if all these riders that plan to move up actually do.
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I'll throw in my fun prediction...

Webb goes back to Yamaha

Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM

Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've heard, and Webb wants to go back...

Word is Eli Tomac already opted into his option for 2023 with Star.
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Being a lifelong Team Green guy and an AC fan, I would hate to see them split. Maybe a change would be best for him though like Tomac/Anderson. I don't know how stoked Kawi is for Forkner to be moving up unless he crushes it this year and finally puts together a full healthy season with his old speed.
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Is Anderson on a 1 year or 2 year deal , where does forkner go , does kawi run 3 bikes to honour the contract with forkner

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2/17/2022 11:06am Edited Date/Time 2/17/2022 11:08am
scott_nz wrote:
Is Anderson on a 1 year or 2 year deal , where does forkner go , does kawi run 3 bikes to honour the contract with...
Is Anderson on a 1 year or 2 year deal , where does forkner go , does kawi run 3 bikes to honour the contract with forkner
2 year deal for Anderson.

Forkner was set to move up earlier, but injuries prevented that from happening. He's in his last year of contract and I don't think the Kawi 450 ride is guaranteed at this point.
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A change could be good for Roczen. With him being a RedBull rider he is limited to KTM or Husky or he retires.

AC will most likely stay with Kawasaki on a lower base salary and better performance bonuses. Being a Monster rider his options may be limited if Kawa dont keep him.

Dylan will be a contender in the Outdoors and may get the option at staying with Star subject to his results....or he can choose to go elsewhere.

I'd like to see Forkner at HRC Honda.

I'm pretty sure this is Wilson's last season and he can bow out with his head held high. That will leave a seat at Husky.

Craig and JMart will also be looking for rides and I can see JMart ending up on Brayton's ride.

The 450 class is going to loaded in 2023.
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scott_nz wrote:
Is Anderson on a 1 year or 2 year deal , where does forkner go , does kawi run 3 bikes to honour the contract with...
Is Anderson on a 1 year or 2 year deal , where does forkner go , does kawi run 3 bikes to honour the contract with forkner
-MAVERICK- wrote:
2 year deal for Anderson. Forkner was set to move up earlier, but injuries prevented that from happening. He's in his last year of contract and...
2 year deal for Anderson.

Forkner was set to move up earlier, but injuries prevented that from happening. He's in his last year of contract and I don't think the Kawi 450 ride is guaranteed at this point.
As far as I'm aware, this is all correct. Ando on a two year deal, Forkner on last year of current contract.
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2/17/2022 11:20am
ML512 wrote:
I'll throw in my fun prediction... Webb goes back to Yamaha Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've...
I'll throw in my fun prediction...

Webb goes back to Yamaha

Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM

Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've heard, and Webb wants to go back...

Word is Eli Tomac already opted into his option for 2023 with Star.
you're going to get frustrated with me cause I've spoken to "media" topics before....but man, sure would be awesome if reporters would take your info on Webb and ET3 and actually REPORT it to the fans. Ask the questions to the pertinent people, generate content about it, and put it out. Ta-da.
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ML512 wrote:
I'll throw in my fun prediction... Webb goes back to Yamaha Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've...
I'll throw in my fun prediction...

Webb goes back to Yamaha

Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM

Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've heard, and Webb wants to go back...

Word is Eli Tomac already opted into his option for 2023 with Star.
This is exactly what I’d say.

Dylan was wanting the GasGas ride pretty bad before he signed with Yamaha.
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Boomslang wrote:
A change could be good for Roczen. With him being a RedBull rider he is limited to KTM or Husky or he retires. AC will most...
A change could be good for Roczen. With him being a RedBull rider he is limited to KTM or Husky or he retires.

AC will most likely stay with Kawasaki on a lower base salary and better performance bonuses. Being a Monster rider his options may be limited if Kawa dont keep him.

Dylan will be a contender in the Outdoors and may get the option at staying with Star subject to his results....or he can choose to go elsewhere.

I'd like to see Forkner at HRC Honda.

I'm pretty sure this is Wilson's last season and he can bow out with his head held high. That will leave a seat at Husky.

Craig and JMart will also be looking for rides and I can see JMart ending up on Brayton's ride.

The 450 class is going to loaded in 2023.
JMart won't be taking Brayton's ride. MotoConcepts is supercross only.

Roczen won't be going to Husky unless he gives up his Red Bull deal since Rockstar just extended their sponsorship with Husky for 2023. I don't see him giving up his Red Bull deal.

I think AC will stay at Kawi.
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Hope AC moves on from Kawi. Think he would benefit from a fresh start.
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Boomslang wrote:
A change could be good for Roczen. With him being a RedBull rider he is limited to KTM or Husky or he retires. AC will most...
A change could be good for Roczen. With him being a RedBull rider he is limited to KTM or Husky or he retires.

AC will most likely stay with Kawasaki on a lower base salary and better performance bonuses. Being a Monster rider his options may be limited if Kawa dont keep him.

Dylan will be a contender in the Outdoors and may get the option at staying with Star subject to his results....or he can choose to go elsewhere.

I'd like to see Forkner at HRC Honda.

I'm pretty sure this is Wilson's last season and he can bow out with his head held high. That will leave a seat at Husky.

Craig and JMart will also be looking for rides and I can see JMart ending up on Brayton's ride.

The 450 class is going to loaded in 2023.
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JMart won't be taking Brayton's ride. MotoConcepts is supercross only. Roczen won't be going to Husky unless he gives up his Red Bull deal since Rockstar...
JMart won't be taking Brayton's ride. MotoConcepts is supercross only.

Roczen won't be going to Husky unless he gives up his Red Bull deal since Rockstar just extended their sponsorship with Husky for 2023. I don't see him giving up his Red Bull deal.

I think AC will stay at Kawi.
Thanks Mav, I forgot that MCR is SX only.

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2/17/2022 11:48am
If your kawi why would you replace one incredibly talented rider who has the speed to win races but also gets injured so frequently he will probably not win a championship with a younger version of the same? I dont see forkner on kawi 450. Infact if he wins no championships this year i say he stays 250 & tries to iron out the weaknesses & increase his worth in 450 by a 250 championship.
I dont see kenny going back to KTM, after how there golden child dropped them for Suzuki it didnt go down well at all esp with Rodger & if you burn that bridge its over. Plus with Kennys health struggles & age would they take him over a younger rider they can work with?
As for Martin, i’m still not sure he goes 450 next year. If he gets another injury then he stays 250.
I think ferandis would be a good fit at Gas Gas. So i hope they add a second 450 rider.
Wilson has been mentioned as retiring at end of season but i think he has been a decent solid second 450 rider. If he finishes top 10 in points & Malcolm finishes top 5 thats all you need from him. But mayb they want to give second spot to Hampshire. Either way Deano would be a big hole to fill. Cool kid!!
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It may not be apparent right now, in fact it may never happen, but what are the chances of there being a bit of a power struggle at Star, with Eli fresh to the team and on form, alongside Dylan who is the defending champion outdoors, once they go in to the outdoors, do we think they will get on well?

Interestingly, now I think about it, in Craig's vlogs, he is often seen in the star truck, eating & chillin' with Dylan, but Eli is never anywhere to be seen.
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2/17/2022 11:56am
scott_nz wrote:
Is Anderson on a 1 year or 2 year deal , where does forkner go , does kawi run 3 bikes to honour the contract with...
Is Anderson on a 1 year or 2 year deal , where does forkner go , does kawi run 3 bikes to honour the contract with forkner
-MAVERICK- wrote:
2 year deal for Anderson. Forkner was set to move up earlier, but injuries prevented that from happening. He's in his last year of contract and...
2 year deal for Anderson.

Forkner was set to move up earlier, but injuries prevented that from happening. He's in his last year of contract and I don't think the Kawi 450 ride is guaranteed at this point.
ML512 wrote:
As far as I'm aware, this is all correct. Ando on a two year deal, Forkner on last year of current contract.
Thoughts on Roczen?
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Webb to Honda would be hilarious, if he brought them a title.
The one Kenny couldn't.

Kenny would be an awesome R&D rider for Triumph.

Don't see any changes at star Yamaha's 450 line up. Why would they ??

Adam would only leave Kawasaki by his own choice.
I say he stays.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
2 year deal for Anderson. Forkner was set to move up earlier, but injuries prevented that from happening. He's in his last year of contract and...
2 year deal for Anderson.

Forkner was set to move up earlier, but injuries prevented that from happening. He's in his last year of contract and I don't think the Kawi 450 ride is guaranteed at this point.
ML512 wrote:
As far as I'm aware, this is all correct. Ando on a two year deal, Forkner on last year of current contract.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Thoughts on Roczen?
Roczen as we know has been around for a long time and with Championships getting more difficult to bag he will most likely retire. Currently his season has been nothing but a ball ache and with all the talent stacking up for next year his chances are getting thin. He has his health and is most likely financially secure. Who knows?
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If I am a rockstar husky I am going after Justin cooper . Imo his style will really suit the 450 . I think we could see roczen on gas gas , DF 14 to red bull KTM . Maybe Webb to Honda or back to Yamaha .
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I would love to see AC and Sexton on the HRC team next year. Have a feeling Roczen, Musquin and Wilson hang it up with Brayton after the year.
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Star: Tomac, Webb, Craig
Kawi: Anderson, Ferrandis
Honda: Sexton, Hampshire/Martin
KTM: Plessinger, Roczen
Husqvarna: Stewart, Ciancarulo
Gasgas: Barcia, Musquin
Suzuki: McPherson, Gay
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ML512 wrote:
I'll throw in my fun prediction... Webb goes back to Yamaha Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've...
I'll throw in my fun prediction...

Webb goes back to Yamaha

Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM

Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've heard, and Webb wants to go back...

Word is Eli Tomac already opted into his option for 2023 with Star.
UpTiTe wrote:
This is exactly what I’d say.

Dylan was wanting the GasGas ride pretty bad before he signed with Yamaha.
That is part of my reasoning. I also think they have the budget to satisfy what Dylan is looking for.
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AC and Forkner both dont deserve the 450 Kawi ride.

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What happens with Gasgas will they have 2 450 riders?
KR retiring leaves wanted Honda seat but for just one year contract before Lawrence bros moving up?
Webb going back to Yamaha and DF to replace him at KTM is not what anyone was thinking last summer.
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Unless forkner is MUCH better this year as far as not making moronic moves on the track and not breaking himself off after two rounds I think any factory team would be dumb to sign him. AC is not much better but he has been getting a little better about not getting hurt. I would bet Webb will look for a change of scenery if this year doesn't turn around quite a bit and back to star seems plausible. I think Kenny will retire after this year too, he just doesn't seem to have his heart into it anymore.
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And what about beta ? Any top guys linked to them ? I’ve seen someplace mm25
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What about Justin cooper and colt Nichols? Doubt star will keep them for 450
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2/17/2022 1:16pm Edited Date/Time 2/17/2022 1:18pm
ML512 wrote:

Webb goes back to Yamaha

Don't see it teaming up with Eli if Eli opts in as you say...

Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM

First I hear about this rumor. They wanted him at the end of '20 at a 50% discount. Heard there was interest from someone else though

Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've heard, and Webb wants to go back...

Once again, Bobby doesn't own the 450 team.

Word is Eli Tomac already opted into his option for 2023 with Star.

I also heard that Eli & Ken might actually retire at the end of the season... I doubt Ken is willing to race for less than 1/3 of his '22 contract... He's allegedly making $3Mil/year from Honda...

-I don't see AC leaving or Kawi getting anyone else to replace him. Kawi is full
-Potentially a spot at Honda if Ken retires or doesn't agree to a 6 figure contract. Remember, they're gonna need room for Jett in '24 or can he move in '23 after a potential sweep (SX & MX)
-Everyone might be up at KTM. Marvin will most likely retire unless he enjoys his SX only deal and find another one? Potentially 2 spots. Doubt they'll fill 3 spots in '23
-Dylan is up at Yamaha and Eli has a rider option. I'm sure they'd like to keep both but the cards are in the riders hands at the moment. I have a hard time seeing a Eli/Coop team. I'd think Eli might have a say about his teammate if he races in '23...
-I don't see GasGas filling a 2nd 450 guy neither.
-Husky got Mookie for another year. The Husky GP team lost Rockstar. If the US team loses it too, I don't see them spending 7 figures on a high profile 450 guy but more a couple 100ks on a rookie who will be able to make extra dough with personal deals (gear)
-Bunch of 250 guys are moving up Forkner, Craig, Nichols, Cooper, JMart etc... who will be way cheaper options as "2nd" riders vs some veterans of the class with big actual deals. And at the end of the day, budgets & saving money for American distributors of Japanese motorcycles are a factor
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ElliotB16 wrote:
What about Justin cooper and colt Nichols? Doubt star will keep them for 450
I don't know about Nichols but I have a feeling we'll see J. Coop in 250 SX next year...
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Interesting stuff from DV. So DF wont go KTM, Gasgas or Husky and he says Kawi is full. That leaves just Honda seat for Dylan but will Honda give up Sexton for to give seat for Jett? Cant see them offering just one year for Dylan. Other option for Dylan is stay Yamaha that will come out with new model later this summer.
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dv12.com wrote:
ML512 wrote: Webb goes back to Yamaha [b]Don't see it teaming up with Eli if Eli opts in as you say... [/b] Dylan swaps with him...
ML512 wrote:

Webb goes back to Yamaha

Don't see it teaming up with Eli if Eli opts in as you say...

Dylan swaps with him and goes to KTM

First I hear about this rumor. They wanted him at the end of '20 at a 50% discount. Heard there was interest from someone else though

Reagan and Star want Cooper back I've heard, and Webb wants to go back...

Once again, Bobby doesn't own the 450 team.

Word is Eli Tomac already opted into his option for 2023 with Star.

I also heard that Eli & Ken might actually retire at the end of the season... I doubt Ken is willing to race for less than 1/3 of his '22 contract... He's allegedly making $3Mil/year from Honda...

-I don't see AC leaving or Kawi getting anyone else to replace him. Kawi is full
-Potentially a spot at Honda if Ken retires or doesn't agree to a 6 figure contract. Remember, they're gonna need room for Jett in '24 or can he move in '23 after a potential sweep (SX & MX)
-Everyone might be up at KTM. Marvin will most likely retire unless he enjoys his SX only deal and find another one? Potentially 2 spots. Doubt they'll fill 3 spots in '23
-Dylan is up at Yamaha and Eli has a rider option. I'm sure they'd like to keep both but the cards are in the riders hands at the moment. I have a hard time seeing a Eli/Coop team. I'd think Eli might have a say about his teammate if he races in '23...
-I don't see GasGas filling a 2nd 450 guy neither.
-Husky got Mookie for another year. The Husky GP team lost Rockstar. If the US team loses it too, I don't see them spending 7 figures on a high profile 450 guy but more a couple 100ks on a rookie who will be able to make extra dough with personal deals (gear)
-Bunch of 250 guys are moving up Forkner, Craig, Nichols, Cooper, JMart etc... who will be way cheaper options as "2nd" riders vs some veterans of the class with big actual deals. And at the end of the day, budgets & saving money for American distributors of Japanese motorcycles are a factor
Mucho gracias senior DV.
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