NEW RMZ450!? oh boy.

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We are prob just going to have to wait till the Jap nationals. Some one will look like a fool and all I know is it wont be me! ..........(THIS TIME) I really do believe Zook had a bike in development B4 covid hit. weather we ever see it is the question!!!!
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2/2/2022 2:42pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2022 2:44pm
In my lifetime…the bike was the biggest pos ever produced and that is not an understatement. The bike had a very limited lifespan so much that...
In my lifetime…the bike was the biggest pos ever produced and that is not an understatement. The bike had a very limited lifespan so much that amateurs could only race the bike - zero practice hours…and pros would be dropping new engines on the weekly. And the chassis was nothing to brag about. A disaster.
Gravel wrote:
If the first Suz/Kaw 250F had come out before the first Yamaha 250F we might still be riding 125s. That Suz/Kaw was decent to ride but...
If the first Suz/Kaw 250F had come out before the first Yamaha 250F we might still be riding 125s. That Suz/Kaw was decent to ride but it had the worst durability ever. I saw timid kids who never got past 8000 rpm need rebuilt cyl heads at 30 hours. The funny part was the division of responsibilities, Suzuki builds great handling bikes and Kawasaki builds great motors, but they had Kaw do the chassis and zook do the motor?
Gillboy67 wrote:
Actually I think Suz built the whole bike (250F) and it was a POS! My son had the Zook 65 that was a KX65 good bike...
Actually I think Suz built the whole bike (250F) and it was a POS! My son had the Zook 65 that was a KX65 good bike. Im a zook fan all the way! There reliability is TOP TOP notch now days. Been on the 450s since 2005 and 0 issues
I was always under the impression that Kawasaki built the chassis as Gravel said. That's been the story for about 18 years, anyway. I had the yellow flavor and loved that bike other than having to top off the coolant a lot.
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Gravel wrote:
If the first Suz/Kaw 250F had come out before the first Yamaha 250F we might still be riding 125s. That Suz/Kaw was decent to ride but...
If the first Suz/Kaw 250F had come out before the first Yamaha 250F we might still be riding 125s. That Suz/Kaw was decent to ride but it had the worst durability ever. I saw timid kids who never got past 8000 rpm need rebuilt cyl heads at 30 hours. The funny part was the division of responsibilities, Suzuki builds great handling bikes and Kawasaki builds great motors, but they had Kaw do the chassis and zook do the motor?
Gillboy67 wrote:
Actually I think Suz built the whole bike (250F) and it was a POS! My son had the Zook 65 that was a KX65 good bike...
Actually I think Suz built the whole bike (250F) and it was a POS! My son had the Zook 65 that was a KX65 good bike. Im a zook fan all the way! There reliability is TOP TOP notch now days. Been on the 450s since 2005 and 0 issues
I was always under the impression that Kawasaki built the chassis as Gravel said. That's been the story for about 18 years, anyway. I had the...
I was always under the impression that Kawasaki built the chassis as Gravel said. That's been the story for about 18 years, anyway. I had the yellow flavor and loved that bike other than having to top off the coolant a lot.
All the brake/sprocket part #s for the Suzuki are Kawasaki. When Kawasaki made their own KX250F in 2006, they stopped using Suzuki engine parts.
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I wonder how many people who dump on the Suz have owned an RMZ. Myself have talked to many who have had every “version” since 06...
I wonder how many people who dump on the Suz have owned an RMZ. Myself have talked to many who have had every “version” since 06. And majority say it’s one of the most reliable and stable bikes they have had. If a new model does come out I am ready.
I have ridden Suz, KTM, Yamaha, and Kawasaki and the RM-Z is the best bike on the track. The kawi was noticeably faster but handled like a turd. Otherwise, it was the most confidence inspiring, comfortable, and reliable bike I’ve ever owned. It spent a lot of time at the limiter, and the maintenance was kept up very well. The only reason I don’t get another one is resale. The poor resale values of one make it a huge investment, on top of already needing a little this and that out of the crate.
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It is 3-5 HP down and 10-15 lbs more than any other 450 mxer. It would take some serious coin just to get those numbers in...
It is 3-5 HP down and 10-15 lbs more than any other 450 mxer. It would take some serious coin just to get those numbers in the ballpark with the other mfg’s…or just be more competitive day one and buy another bike.

Again, most riders would not know any better.
Weird. I managed to be top 5 in every start at Mammoth and Vet Worlds in the 50A class on a stock 2014 RMZ450. Finished 6th overall in mammoth (went down in a moto) and 3rd overall at Vet Worlds in 50 pro on the slow fat bike?
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2/3/2022 7:55am Edited Date/Time 2/3/2022 7:57am
Gillboy67 wrote:
We are prob just going to have to wait till the Jap nationals. Some one will look like a fool and all I know is it...
We are prob just going to have to wait till the Jap nationals. Some one will look like a fool and all I know is it wont be me! ..........(THIS TIME) I really do believe Zook had a bike in development B4 covid hit. weather we ever see it is the question!!!!
hahaha my dear Gillboy, you are a dreamer! there is no official suzuki team in japan now,
only privateers, so the chance of seeing a new bike at the alljapanmx is fairly weak!
I think that like Yamaha did with the new 2strokes for example, you won't see new bikes until the press release...
There is more chance than we have a look at the Triumph bikes way before Suzuki ones.
The good news is that this year, Suzuki is giving a little extra help to HEP team,
so it's a little something that may brings hope!

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Gillboy67 wrote:
Actually I think Suz built the whole bike (250F) and it was a POS! My son had the Zook 65 that was a KX65 good bike...
Actually I think Suz built the whole bike (250F) and it was a POS! My son had the Zook 65 that was a KX65 good bike. Im a zook fan all the way! There reliability is TOP TOP notch now days. Been on the 450s since 2005 and 0 issues
I was always under the impression that Kawasaki built the chassis as Gravel said. That's been the story for about 18 years, anyway. I had the...
I was always under the impression that Kawasaki built the chassis as Gravel said. That's been the story for about 18 years, anyway. I had the yellow flavor and loved that bike other than having to top off the coolant a lot.
DaveB771 wrote:
All the brake/sprocket part #s for the Suzuki are Kawasaki. When Kawasaki made their own KX250F in 2006, they stopped using Suzuki engine parts.
The rolling chassis was a Kawasaki; the engine was a Suzuki. This was the first bike in their planned cooperation phase, and it didn't pan out well.
Technically, Kawasaki manufactured the engine from Suzuki blueprints. Kawasaki began modifying the design with an aluminum frame and engine spec changes in 2006 and Suzuki went their own way in 2007 with an all-new, all-Suzuki bike.
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2/8/2022 5:11am Edited Date/Time 2/14/2022 7:33am
Good time at one of my local tracks (Norcal / Argyll Park / Dixon, CA) this last weekend. Beautiful “spring” day in February, no wind. I hadn’t ridden the bike (18 RMZ-450) for a couple months and immediately felt comfortable. 👌🏼



Love the wet look. 🙂

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My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the stand. He came back with my RMZ about 15 minutes later. We both agreed my Suzuki with a pipe and revalve is better than his bone stock KTM. I felt the weight difference for sure, my buddy said he didn't. Wanted to let you hippies know.
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2/8/2022 5:39am Edited Date/Time 2/8/2022 5:44am
Sandusky26 wrote:
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the...
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the stand. He came back with my RMZ about 15 minutes later. We both agreed my Suzuki with a pipe and revalve is better than his bone stock KTM. I felt the weight difference for sure, my buddy said he didn't. Wanted to let you hippies know.
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and your buddy's feelings. Also a stock KTM 350 makes more peak horsepower on a Dyno then your rmz450 so kinda hard to believe.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the...
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the stand. He came back with my RMZ about 15 minutes later. We both agreed my Suzuki with a pipe and revalve is better than his bone stock KTM. I felt the weight difference for sure, my buddy said he didn't. Wanted to let you hippies know.
GD350 wrote:
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and...
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and your buddy's feelings. Also a stock KTM 350 makes more peak horsepower on a Dyno then your rmz450 so kinda hard to believe.
I'm pretty sure the narrative could have been 'Josh Mosiman rode a stock **insert any brand** and the results would have been the same.

I was working the gate last year at my club's race series. Got talking to a guy with a shiny new RM. He said he absolutely loved it more than the '18 KTM he came off. He was B level rider for reference.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the...
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the stand. He came back with my RMZ about 15 minutes later. We both agreed my Suzuki with a pipe and revalve is better than his bone stock KTM. I felt the weight difference for sure, my buddy said he didn't. Wanted to let you hippies know.
GD350 wrote:
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and...
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and your buddy's feelings. Also a stock KTM 350 makes more peak horsepower on a Dyno then your rmz450 so kinda hard to believe.
If I got to ride smooth tracks like you hippies in California get too, Im sure a 350 turning 14,000 rpms would be cool.

I was surprised myself when we swapped bikes. My bike is dialed and his is bone stock. I just figured the KTM was going to drop my lap times by just having e start. I ride just as shitty on any of the bikes.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the...
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the stand. He came back with my RMZ about 15 minutes later. We both agreed my Suzuki with a pipe and revalve is better than his bone stock KTM. I felt the weight difference for sure, my buddy said he didn't. Wanted to let you hippies know.
GD350 wrote:
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and...
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and your buddy's feelings. Also a stock KTM 350 makes more peak horsepower on a Dyno then your rmz450 so kinda hard to believe.
You need to learn/understand the difference between horsepower and torque and how they feels on the track. And a peaky high HP graphic on dyno does not = faster laptimes
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Sandusky26 wrote:
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the...
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the stand. He came back with my RMZ about 15 minutes later. We both agreed my Suzuki with a pipe and revalve is better than his bone stock KTM. I felt the weight difference for sure, my buddy said he didn't. Wanted to let you hippies know.
GD350 wrote:
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and...
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and your buddy's feelings. Also a stock KTM 350 makes more peak horsepower on a Dyno then your rmz450 so kinda hard to believe.
Here is a Fact. For most of us a weekend warriors and or Vet riders. Suzuki has a killer platform for this demographic. The RMZ450 has a smooth meaty power delivery with a strong low to mid. Great handling and best in class cornering (once the shock is sorted) I think its one of if not the best for a average VET MX guy, track day guy or DEZ head trail guy.

If you like me a old VET INT plus 50 dude it was super easy to make fast and handle perfect. YES at the end of the day my lazy ass wishes it had Estart even knowing it kick starts super easy. LOL

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2/13/2022 1:04am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2022 1:05am
I’ll bet a million bucks that the “All New” RMZ450 will be using the center cradle frame from the 250, with a new head and the 250’s air box setup. I’d be surprised if it’s e start, but honestly all they’d need to do is use the 250 frame, do some head work and cast new center cases for an electric start. They’re never going to spend the cash to lose a big amount of weight so I don’t think that’s going to happen. A center port head with some work could at least find them 3-4 horsepower if they’d be willing to do the work. Fingers crossed tho.(if any admins are reading this I cannot log into my aceofspades account for months. Help!)
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2/13/2022 8:38am Edited Date/Time 2/14/2022 12:52am
Sandusky26 wrote:
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the...
My buddy who rides a 20 KTM 450 made me swap bikes with him last weekend. I did 2 laps and put his bike on the stand. He came back with my RMZ about 15 minutes later. We both agreed my Suzuki with a pipe and revalve is better than his bone stock KTM. I felt the weight difference for sure, my buddy said he didn't. Wanted to let you hippies know.
GD350 wrote:
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and...
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and your buddy's feelings. Also a stock KTM 350 makes more peak horsepower on a Dyno then your rmz450 so kinda hard to believe.
Gillboy67 wrote:
Here is a Fact. For most of us a weekend warriors and or Vet riders. Suzuki has a killer platform for this demographic. The RMZ450 has...
Here is a Fact. For most of us a weekend warriors and or Vet riders. Suzuki has a killer platform for this demographic. The RMZ450 has a smooth meaty power delivery with a strong low to mid. Great handling and best in class cornering (once the shock is sorted) I think its one of if not the best for a average VET MX guy, track day guy or DEZ head trail guy.

If you like me a old VET INT plus 50 dude it was super easy to make fast and handle perfect. YES at the end of the day my lazy ass wishes it had Estart even knowing it kick starts super easy. LOL

Yeah, card carrying RMZ demographic rider here. 54 years old, married almost 24 years, 2 teenage daughters.

This is long, but I think relevant:

The 3 things that (well maybe 4 if you count looks) that caught my interest on the bike, was handling, power delivery, and price. For this weekend or monthly or bi-monthly Smile practice warrior, it fit into my life nicely. (and my Wife's and our two daughters, 1 going to college and 1 on deck..going into her senior year of HS)

I don't mind it doesn't make 60 HP as I've always been a torque guy anyway Plus, at my age/ability, not that big of a deal. Even back when racing my mid-late 90's KX250's, these characteristics always suited my riding style. Good(if not great) Low, meaty Mid, passable top with early sign off (yes, I said it, early sign off..almost a built in safety feature at the end of a moto or practice session)

When I made the jump to a 4-stroke in '06, again handling and power delivery were paramount and I was realistic enough to know a 38 year old (at the time) amateur needs to focus on himself and power delivery/handling vs raw power numbers((or even bike weight) in a 20 minute moto. Plus, price factored in too back then with Wife of 8 years (at the time) and 4 and 1 year old daughters and a mortgage.

That first 4-stroke ended up being an '06 RMZ-450. Everything I read about it just resonated. Factor in a test ride on my friends '05 CRF450 (that made tons of power well into the top end) and I made the choice to go with "mellow" yellow. (although that carb'd mill "hit" harder than my '18, fuel injection/mapping has been able to deliver more power smoother on my '18)

Took a little dialing on the '06 (backing down the high-speed compression having the biggest positive effect), but I took that bone stock bike...bone stock...(just swapped bars to my favorite reed/henry pro--tapers) to consecutive wins in my clubs's OTHG 38-Int. A very confidence inspiring bike (once dialed in.)

Our next "National" in Fernley, Nevada I 1-1'd the motos on Saturday and I kinda knew what was about to happen. Our race director walked up and said welcome to the othg expert class. Rather than make a stink (hell, we're right in the middle of a National), I glass-half fulled it, took it as a compliment and lined up with the 15-20 rider field of Experts on Sunday. When it was all said and done, I took home a 3rd overall in 38 Experts in a weekend I'll never forget.

The RM-Z can be made to suit your style and can be a confidence building mount that can surprise a few of your friends. Also, I kind of embrace the underdog anyway and the RM-Z is a willing companion in that role. I had my best ride on my '18 yesterday(2/12 at E-street) and that's after having a "best" ride last weekend. So much, so, that I will likely visit some local othg rounds in the near future. Been a long time and I've been missing it the last 10 years.

That would not have been possible without being realistic and buying the bike that made sense for me.

I bought the bike in '18 for $7,500 OTD, bought Pipe/Wheels / Bunch of Extras 2nd hand(thanks TeamGreen), and a new '19-22 RMZ-250 shock and a 5.7 spring. Add it all up and I've got (even with the bling wheels) about $9,900 total investment (including bike).

It's one of the easiest bikes to ride I've ever ridden and to say the bike is confidence inspiring in its current build, is an understatement. Even starting (that everybody makes a big deal about) is just a 3 kick cold / 1 kick warm affair with not much effort (exertion) on the kick-starter. I still like looking at it, riding it, and talking about it. Thanks Suzuki. The perfect bike for me. For a lot of reasons.
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2/13/2022 8:48am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2022 8:49am
GD350 wrote:
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and...
Josh mosiman rode a bonestock KTM 450 other than wheels and a seat into a pro national last year. I'll take that data over you and your buddy's feelings. Also a stock KTM 350 makes more peak horsepower on a Dyno then your rmz450 so kinda hard to believe.
Gillboy67 wrote:
Here is a Fact. For most of us a weekend warriors and or Vet riders. Suzuki has a killer platform for this demographic. The RMZ450 has...
Here is a Fact. For most of us a weekend warriors and or Vet riders. Suzuki has a killer platform for this demographic. The RMZ450 has a smooth meaty power delivery with a strong low to mid. Great handling and best in class cornering (once the shock is sorted) I think its one of if not the best for a average VET MX guy, track day guy or DEZ head trail guy.

If you like me a old VET INT plus 50 dude it was super easy to make fast and handle perfect. YES at the end of the day my lazy ass wishes it had Estart even knowing it kick starts super easy. LOL

Ted722 wrote:
Yeah, card carrying RMZ demographic rider here. 54 years old, married almost 24 years, 2 teenage daughters. This is long, but I think relevant: The 3...
Yeah, card carrying RMZ demographic rider here. 54 years old, married almost 24 years, 2 teenage daughters.

This is long, but I think relevant:

The 3 things that (well maybe 4 if you count looks) that caught my interest on the bike, was handling, power delivery, and price. For this weekend or monthly or bi-monthly Smile practice warrior, it fit into my life nicely. (and my Wife's and our two daughters, 1 going to college and 1 on deck..going into her senior year of HS)

I don't mind it doesn't make 60 HP as I've always been a torque guy anyway Plus, at my age/ability, not that big of a deal. Even back when racing my mid-late 90's KX250's, these characteristics always suited my riding style. Good(if not great) Low, meaty Mid, passable top with early sign off (yes, I said it, early sign off..almost a built in safety feature at the end of a moto or practice session)

When I made the jump to a 4-stroke in '06, again handling and power delivery were paramount and I was realistic enough to know a 38 year old (at the time) amateur needs to focus on himself and power delivery/handling vs raw power numbers((or even bike weight) in a 20 minute moto. Plus, price factored in too back then with Wife of 8 years (at the time) and 4 and 1 year old daughters and a mortgage.

That first 4-stroke ended up being an '06 RMZ-450. Everything I read about it just resonated. Factor in a test ride on my friends '05 CRF450 (that made tons of power well into the top end) and I made the choice to go with "mellow" yellow. (although that carb'd mill "hit" harder than my '18, fuel injection/mapping has been able to deliver more power smoother on my '18)

Took a little dialing on the '06 (backing down the high-speed compression having the biggest positive effect), but I took that bone stock bike...bone stock...(just swapped bars to my favorite reed/henry pro--tapers) to consecutive wins in my clubs's OTHG 38-Int. A very confidence inspiring bike (once dialed in.)

Our next "National" in Fernley, Nevada I 1-1'd the motos on Saturday and I kinda knew what was about to happen. Our race director walked up and said welcome to the othg expert class. Rather than make a stink (hell, we're right in the middle of a National), I glass-half fulled it, took it as a compliment and lined up with the 15-20 rider field of Experts on Sunday. When it was all said and done, I took home a 3rd overall in 38 Experts in a weekend I'll never forget.

The RM-Z can be made to suit your style and can be a confidence building mount that can surprise a few of your friends. Also, I kind of embrace the underdog anyway and the RM-Z is a willing companion in that role. I had my best ride on my '18 yesterday(2/12 at E-street) and that's after having a "best" ride last weekend. So much, so, that I will likely visit some local othg rounds in the near future. Been a long time and I've been missing it the last 10 years.

That would not have been possible without being realistic and buying the bike that made sense for me.

I bought the bike in '18 for $7,500 OTD, bought Pipe/Wheels / Bunch of Extras 2nd hand(thanks TeamGreen), and a new '19-22 RMZ-250 shock and a 5.7 spring. Add it all up and I've got (even with the bling wheels) about $9,900 total investment (including bike).

It's one of the easiest bikes to ride I've ever ridden and to say the bike is confidence inspiring in its current build, is an understatement. Even starting (that everybody makes a big deal about) is just a 3 kick cold / 1 kick warm affair with not much effort (exertion) on the kick-starter. I still like looking at it, riding it, and talking about it. Thanks Suzuki. The perfect bike for me. For a lot of reasons.
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved the BFRC before you installed the KYB 250 shock?

I really recommend 14/52 or 14/53 gearing, it really frees up the bike when the RPM’s are up there. I also like not having to replace the chain slider every 15 hours.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved...
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved the BFRC before you installed the KYB 250 shock?

I really recommend 14/52 or 14/53 gearing, it really frees up the bike when the RPM’s are up there. I also like not having to replace the chain slider every 15 hours.
I viewed the expense of a re-valve and respring of the BFRC vs putting more $ into a RMZ-250 shock and spring. I'm sure the BFRC would have been just fine re-valved re-sprung, but decided to go with the new shock as pricing was pretty reasonable. $550 (w/5.2 spring) for shock and I bought a 5.7 spring from Factory Connection for $150.

Performance has been a dramatic improvement over the stock shock. Been playing with the link from Ride Eng. and yesterday was a big nod to using the link with my new shock. Started out on sand track and my MX53 washing out / unplanted. Understand, tire not made for that, but it was borderline scary bad.

Immediately went back into pits and put Ride. Eng link back on and went out there 10 min. later and it was night and day. Then finished my day on the harder terrain Vet(back) track and bike felt amazing. I'll double check sag again, but it was at 104-105mm last weekend.

Good to know about the 14/52. Part of the "Extras" when I picked up the Pipe/Wheels were a 14/52 from Mika. Looking forward to putting those on soon.
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Gillboy67 wrote:
Here is a Fact. For most of us a weekend warriors and or Vet riders. Suzuki has a killer platform for this demographic. The RMZ450 has...
Here is a Fact. For most of us a weekend warriors and or Vet riders. Suzuki has a killer platform for this demographic. The RMZ450 has a smooth meaty power delivery with a strong low to mid. Great handling and best in class cornering (once the shock is sorted) I think its one of if not the best for a average VET MX guy, track day guy or DEZ head trail guy.

If you like me a old VET INT plus 50 dude it was super easy to make fast and handle perfect. YES at the end of the day my lazy ass wishes it had Estart even knowing it kick starts super easy. LOL

Ted722 wrote:
Yeah, card carrying RMZ demographic rider here. 54 years old, married almost 24 years, 2 teenage daughters. This is long, but I think relevant: The 3...
Yeah, card carrying RMZ demographic rider here. 54 years old, married almost 24 years, 2 teenage daughters.

This is long, but I think relevant:

The 3 things that (well maybe 4 if you count looks) that caught my interest on the bike, was handling, power delivery, and price. For this weekend or monthly or bi-monthly Smile practice warrior, it fit into my life nicely. (and my Wife's and our two daughters, 1 going to college and 1 on deck..going into her senior year of HS)

I don't mind it doesn't make 60 HP as I've always been a torque guy anyway Plus, at my age/ability, not that big of a deal. Even back when racing my mid-late 90's KX250's, these characteristics always suited my riding style. Good(if not great) Low, meaty Mid, passable top with early sign off (yes, I said it, early sign off..almost a built in safety feature at the end of a moto or practice session)

When I made the jump to a 4-stroke in '06, again handling and power delivery were paramount and I was realistic enough to know a 38 year old (at the time) amateur needs to focus on himself and power delivery/handling vs raw power numbers((or even bike weight) in a 20 minute moto. Plus, price factored in too back then with Wife of 8 years (at the time) and 4 and 1 year old daughters and a mortgage.

That first 4-stroke ended up being an '06 RMZ-450. Everything I read about it just resonated. Factor in a test ride on my friends '05 CRF450 (that made tons of power well into the top end) and I made the choice to go with "mellow" yellow. (although that carb'd mill "hit" harder than my '18, fuel injection/mapping has been able to deliver more power smoother on my '18)

Took a little dialing on the '06 (backing down the high-speed compression having the biggest positive effect), but I took that bone stock bike...bone stock...(just swapped bars to my favorite reed/henry pro--tapers) to consecutive wins in my clubs's OTHG 38-Int. A very confidence inspiring bike (once dialed in.)

Our next "National" in Fernley, Nevada I 1-1'd the motos on Saturday and I kinda knew what was about to happen. Our race director walked up and said welcome to the othg expert class. Rather than make a stink (hell, we're right in the middle of a National), I glass-half fulled it, took it as a compliment and lined up with the 15-20 rider field of Experts on Sunday. When it was all said and done, I took home a 3rd overall in 38 Experts in a weekend I'll never forget.

The RM-Z can be made to suit your style and can be a confidence building mount that can surprise a few of your friends. Also, I kind of embrace the underdog anyway and the RM-Z is a willing companion in that role. I had my best ride on my '18 yesterday(2/12 at E-street) and that's after having a "best" ride last weekend. So much, so, that I will likely visit some local othg rounds in the near future. Been a long time and I've been missing it the last 10 years.

That would not have been possible without being realistic and buying the bike that made sense for me.

I bought the bike in '18 for $7,500 OTD, bought Pipe/Wheels / Bunch of Extras 2nd hand(thanks TeamGreen), and a new '19-22 RMZ-250 shock and a 5.7 spring. Add it all up and I've got (even with the bling wheels) about $9,900 total investment (including bike).

It's one of the easiest bikes to ride I've ever ridden and to say the bike is confidence inspiring in its current build, is an understatement. Even starting (that everybody makes a big deal about) is just a 3 kick cold / 1 kick warm affair with not much effort (exertion) on the kick-starter. I still like looking at it, riding it, and talking about it. Thanks Suzuki. The perfect bike for me. For a lot of reasons.
Sandusky26 wrote:
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved...
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved the BFRC before you installed the KYB 250 shock?

I really recommend 14/52 or 14/53 gearing, it really frees up the bike when the RPM’s are up there. I also like not having to replace the chain slider every 15 hours.
If you have an 18-22 RMZ, Enzo does an amazing job with the BFRC shock. My dad sent his 20’s suspension to
them and even with it being too stiff for me, it still works really, really well. I have zero complaints any time I’m jump from my stock setup 17 to his 20. I’m sure the 250 shock is really good as well, but The BFRC works really well after Enzo worked their magic with it.
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Ted722 wrote:
Good time at one of my local tracks (Norcal / Argyll Park / Dixon, CA) this last weekend. Beautiful “spring” day in February, no wind. I...
Good time at one of my local tracks (Norcal / Argyll Park / Dixon, CA) this last weekend. Beautiful “spring” day in February, no wind. I hadn’t ridden the bike (18 RMZ-450) for a couple months and immediately felt comfortable. 👌🏼



Love the wet look. 🙂

The Zukis with a clean graphic setup and gold wheels are still some of the best looking bikes.
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Ted722 wrote:
Yeah, card carrying RMZ demographic rider here. 54 years old, married almost 24 years, 2 teenage daughters. This is long, but I think relevant: The 3...
Yeah, card carrying RMZ demographic rider here. 54 years old, married almost 24 years, 2 teenage daughters.

This is long, but I think relevant:

The 3 things that (well maybe 4 if you count looks) that caught my interest on the bike, was handling, power delivery, and price. For this weekend or monthly or bi-monthly Smile practice warrior, it fit into my life nicely. (and my Wife's and our two daughters, 1 going to college and 1 on deck..going into her senior year of HS)

I don't mind it doesn't make 60 HP as I've always been a torque guy anyway Plus, at my age/ability, not that big of a deal. Even back when racing my mid-late 90's KX250's, these characteristics always suited my riding style. Good(if not great) Low, meaty Mid, passable top with early sign off (yes, I said it, early sign off..almost a built in safety feature at the end of a moto or practice session)

When I made the jump to a 4-stroke in '06, again handling and power delivery were paramount and I was realistic enough to know a 38 year old (at the time) amateur needs to focus on himself and power delivery/handling vs raw power numbers((or even bike weight) in a 20 minute moto. Plus, price factored in too back then with Wife of 8 years (at the time) and 4 and 1 year old daughters and a mortgage.

That first 4-stroke ended up being an '06 RMZ-450. Everything I read about it just resonated. Factor in a test ride on my friends '05 CRF450 (that made tons of power well into the top end) and I made the choice to go with "mellow" yellow. (although that carb'd mill "hit" harder than my '18, fuel injection/mapping has been able to deliver more power smoother on my '18)

Took a little dialing on the '06 (backing down the high-speed compression having the biggest positive effect), but I took that bone stock bike...bone stock...(just swapped bars to my favorite reed/henry pro--tapers) to consecutive wins in my clubs's OTHG 38-Int. A very confidence inspiring bike (once dialed in.)

Our next "National" in Fernley, Nevada I 1-1'd the motos on Saturday and I kinda knew what was about to happen. Our race director walked up and said welcome to the othg expert class. Rather than make a stink (hell, we're right in the middle of a National), I glass-half fulled it, took it as a compliment and lined up with the 15-20 rider field of Experts on Sunday. When it was all said and done, I took home a 3rd overall in 38 Experts in a weekend I'll never forget.

The RM-Z can be made to suit your style and can be a confidence building mount that can surprise a few of your friends. Also, I kind of embrace the underdog anyway and the RM-Z is a willing companion in that role. I had my best ride on my '18 yesterday(2/12 at E-street) and that's after having a "best" ride last weekend. So much, so, that I will likely visit some local othg rounds in the near future. Been a long time and I've been missing it the last 10 years.

That would not have been possible without being realistic and buying the bike that made sense for me.

I bought the bike in '18 for $7,500 OTD, bought Pipe/Wheels / Bunch of Extras 2nd hand(thanks TeamGreen), and a new '19-22 RMZ-250 shock and a 5.7 spring. Add it all up and I've got (even with the bling wheels) about $9,900 total investment (including bike).

It's one of the easiest bikes to ride I've ever ridden and to say the bike is confidence inspiring in its current build, is an understatement. Even starting (that everybody makes a big deal about) is just a 3 kick cold / 1 kick warm affair with not much effort (exertion) on the kick-starter. I still like looking at it, riding it, and talking about it. Thanks Suzuki. The perfect bike for me. For a lot of reasons.
Sandusky26 wrote:
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved...
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved the BFRC before you installed the KYB 250 shock?

I really recommend 14/52 or 14/53 gearing, it really frees up the bike when the RPM’s are up there. I also like not having to replace the chain slider every 15 hours.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you have an 18-22 RMZ, Enzo does an amazing job with the BFRC shock. My dad sent his 20’s suspension to them and even with...
If you have an 18-22 RMZ, Enzo does an amazing job with the BFRC shock. My dad sent his 20’s suspension to
them and even with it being too stiff for me, it still works really, really well. I have zero complaints any time I’m jump from my stock setup 17 to his 20. I’m sure the 250 shock is really good as well, but The BFRC works really well after Enzo worked their magic with it.
I had a my guy in NC valve it for me, I don’t have any complaints besides consecutive acceleration bumps and no Hi speed compression. I just keep wondering if the 250 shock is that much better.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved...
Couldn’t agree more, I had an 05 RMZ450 as my first 450 and thought it was a great bike. I was wondering if you had revalved the BFRC before you installed the KYB 250 shock?

I really recommend 14/52 or 14/53 gearing, it really frees up the bike when the RPM’s are up there. I also like not having to replace the chain slider every 15 hours.
Ted722 wrote:
I viewed the expense of a re-valve and respring of the BFRC vs putting more $ into a RMZ-250 shock and spring. I'm sure the BFRC...
I viewed the expense of a re-valve and respring of the BFRC vs putting more $ into a RMZ-250 shock and spring. I'm sure the BFRC would have been just fine re-valved re-sprung, but decided to go with the new shock as pricing was pretty reasonable. $550 (w/5.2 spring) for shock and I bought a 5.7 spring from Factory Connection for $150.

Performance has been a dramatic improvement over the stock shock. Been playing with the link from Ride Eng. and yesterday was a big nod to using the link with my new shock. Started out on sand track and my MX53 washing out / unplanted. Understand, tire not made for that, but it was borderline scary bad.

Immediately went back into pits and put Ride. Eng link back on and went out there 10 min. later and it was night and day. Then finished my day on the harder terrain Vet(back) track and bike felt amazing. I'll double check sag again, but it was at 104-105mm last weekend.

Good to know about the 14/52. Part of the "Extras" when I picked up the Pipe/Wheels were a 14/52 from Mika. Looking forward to putting those on soon.
I’m running the forks flush and 108 sag, any less sag and it puts a little too much weight on the front end.

14/52 is a little taller than the stock 13/50, worked good for the RMZ’s powerband. I still use 3rd in the corners and can now shift to 4th less, I was running 4th a lot with stock gearing and I didn’t like where I had to shift on the track. I went 14/52 because I saw HEP using that’ gearing with stock chain guard, I wanted to try a 53, I’m worried it wouldn’t fit in the chain guide. I saw on pit bits that HEP switched to a 55 sometime during the season.
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2/14/2022 7:23am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you have an 18-22 RMZ, Enzo does an amazing job with the BFRC shock. My dad sent his 20’s suspension to them and even with...
If you have an 18-22 RMZ, Enzo does an amazing job with the BFRC shock. My dad sent his 20’s suspension to
them and even with it being too stiff for me, it still works really, really well. I have zero complaints any time I’m jump from my stock setup 17 to his 20. I’m sure the 250 shock is really good as well, but The BFRC works really well after Enzo worked their magic with it.
Yup Enzo has done mine for years. Craig Decker got my BFRC shock dialed I also installed a PC Link.
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501Ross wrote:
The Zukis with a clean graphic setup and gold wheels are still some of the best looking bikes.
I agree!!

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Not a 450, but I already have a RMZ450 ... so I added this this weekend. New to me '03 250. Need to change out bar clamps and and fix a few little things but pretty clean....
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Kevin852 wrote:
Not a 450, but I already have a RMZ450 ... so I added this this weekend. New to me '03 250. Need to change out bar...
Not a 450, but I already have a RMZ450 ... so I added this this weekend. New to me '03 250. Need to change out bar clamps and and fix a few little things but pretty clean....
Soooo, can I take her for a spin? Cool
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501Ross wrote:
The Zukis with a clean graphic setup and gold wheels are still some of the best looking bikes.
Gillboy67 wrote:
I agree!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/14/533546/s1200_IMG_5627.jpg[/img]
I agree!!

The Ashley Graham of MX bikes: fat but hot.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Soooo, can I take her for a spin? Cool
Always my friend.... Smile
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The Ashley Graham of MX bikes: fat but hot.
Laughing
Not that fat!!
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Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings...
Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings.
-The 22 stock mapping is one big downfall. Really dirty down low and once you finally get out of that window it hits unexpectedly hard.
-This is no exaggeration, the seat literally feels like you’re sitting on a 2x4 and you can feel everything through it.
-The chassis feels so rigid you can feel every bump and vibration through the bars, seat and foot pegs. The bike never felt planted. It wanted to dance around every time I hit a bump. It wore me out in just a few laps.
-Fast choppy straightaways are one part of the track I wanted to avoid if I could. The only way to avoid headshake was to do everything I could to make sure I hit zero bumps.
-The turning was really hard to figure out, I would oversteer, make adjustments to my positioning and then would understeer. I couldn’t find a sweet spot to combat this issue. Something I’ve never had a problem with on any other bike I’ve ridden before.

2007
- The 07 put the power to the ground so nicely. It was strong, but smooth. Easy to control unlike the weird mapping on the 22.
- The bike never did anything funky no matter what I hit, how hard I hit it or what angle I hit it at. It never kicked, danced around and I never got headshake. I rode all of the same lines that I rode on the 22.
- The 07 turned amazing and went exactly where I wanted it to go every time. It was precise. It settled into corners, and tracked straight over all of the acceleration bumps.
- The 07 was nowhere near the 22 in rigidity. I have to say it was one of the most comfortable feeling bikes I have ever ridden. I could trust it over just about everything. I could easily ride the 07 twice as many laps as the 22 and not be nearly as worn out.

Overall, the 22 was honestly the most uncomfortable bike I have ridden to date. I couldn’t trust it over anything really. I do think most of the issues I had with the 22 can be fixed with time and money, it’s just not money and time I’d be willing to spend.
I’d hands down pick the 07 every day of the week over the 22.
Sounds to me like all your complaints could point you to just softening the bike up. I rode a 22 recently and loved it way more...
Sounds to me like all your complaints could point you to just softening the bike up. I rode a 22 recently and loved it way more than my previous generation 2019 CRF450R.
We love our 22' CR 450's
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