Vince Friese..

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I only remember him as a pothead but to each his own.
seth505 wrote:
He won more than Christian has.
He's still active tho so....
I’ll send you $500 if he ends up with more wins and/or championships than Emig.
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I only remember him as a pothead but to each his own.
Craig is a nobody compared to Emig.

Emig = 4 Time National Champ, 3 in the PREMIER Class

Craig = A decade of racing to get half a dozen wins and no championship in the REGIONAL class


Sorry Paige, but your hubby isn't even a blip on the radar compared to Emig.
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Sounds like some of you guys are completely missing my point. I still believe rubbing is racing. Don't get me wrong. But there's a difference between...
Sounds like some of you guys are completely missing my point. I still believe rubbing is racing. Don't get me wrong. But there's a difference between making an advancement on your position, making a nice aggressive pass, or a last lap victory takeout. And then it's something completely different when you are no longer racing forward, you're just trying to stop on the track and aim at the guy who's going to pass you anyways because you're slower. That's not racing at that point.
How can you aim at somebody behind you???

Nothing wrong with how he raced, has Craig said anything?

Are the Smartop riders not on a bonus structure?? Thought they were lower wage but bigger bonus type deal?
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When I first saw Vince was in the 250 class i was like here comes the mayhem !!
He has delivered every round , Its not going to stop !!
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Sounds like some of you guys are completely missing my point. I still believe rubbing is racing. Don't get me wrong. But there's a difference between...
Sounds like some of you guys are completely missing my point. I still believe rubbing is racing. Don't get me wrong. But there's a difference between making an advancement on your position, making a nice aggressive pass, or a last lap victory takeout. And then it's something completely different when you are no longer racing forward, you're just trying to stop on the track and aim at the guy who's going to pass you anyways because you're slower. That's not racing at that point.
shuggs wrote:
How can you aim at somebody behind you??? Nothing wrong with how he raced, has Craig said anything? Are the Smartop riders not on a bonus...
How can you aim at somebody behind you???

Nothing wrong with how he raced, has Craig said anything?

Are the Smartop riders not on a bonus structure?? Thought they were lower wage but bigger bonus type deal?
How can you aim at somebody behind you?
Ask Bogle
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I’ll allow it.
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STFU NOOB!!!
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I only remember him as a pothead but to each his own.
LungButter wrote:
Craig is a nobody compared to Emig. Emig = 4 Time National Champ, 3 in the PREMIER Class Craig = A decade of racing to get...
Craig is a nobody compared to Emig.

Emig = 4 Time National Champ, 3 in the PREMIER Class

Craig = A decade of racing to get half a dozen wins and no championship in the REGIONAL class


Sorry Paige, but your hubby isn't even a blip on the radar compared to Emig.
^^^^^This. Even if CC wins the West this year, it was against the weakest field ever in Supercross.
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Right now 19pts out of first. Craig finishes behind him.
Now he's 17pts down on him and 10 or 11 down on 2nd place and 6 out of 3rd. Craig and moisman are know to throw away a race or 2 and hunters a wild card. Vince stays steady where he's at and these guys have a bad day and finish say 7-10th he's right in there for the title.
Also I would imagine his bounce money for a podium at a race is high. So yeah I'm punting people for that money if I'm in 3rd. Don't give a fuck the check still cashes. Now think about a podium finish bonuse for the season and the fact that Vince isn't making as much as these guys upfront in terms of pay. Man's fighting for his money and I'm all for it. If Vince could find a 1/3-1/2 second a lap in outright speed with out causimg him to crash he could be a title threat.

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Craig probably laughed when Friese did the brake check on him. He knew he would blast by him in the whoops whenever they got to that part of the track so I'm sure he was just playing along kind of toying with him knowing it would bring out the normal VF antics. Fun to watch and with that much time left in the race, he really was in no real rush to get by as 2nd was half a track ahead.

I'm not at all a WWE wrestling fan but I could watch Friese pull that stuff all day. Love it as he makes the perfect Heel.
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Sounds like some of you guys are completely missing my point. I still believe rubbing is racing. Don't get me wrong. But there's a difference between...
Sounds like some of you guys are completely missing my point. I still believe rubbing is racing. Don't get me wrong. But there's a difference between making an advancement on your position, making a nice aggressive pass, or a last lap victory takeout. And then it's something completely different when you are no longer racing forward, you're just trying to stop on the track and aim at the guy who's going to pass you anyways because you're slower. That's not racing at that point.

A race is a race. Doesn't matter if you are racing a guy who is clearly faster, on the lead lap or being lapped yourself. You are still racing.. With that said there is some common sense that should come into play when racing the guy faster than you or lapping you.

So then how do you race that guy? You don't take him out . You race him hard and fast. You don't make it easy because you are a racer and that rider should not be given a free pass to just have you move over and get by. In the past when this sport was all men that blue flag meant "Hold your line as you are about to be overtaken by the lead rider". This meant that the lead or faster rider was given the burden of finding his way around you. Not the slower rider moving over. They have since changed that verbiage to include "get out of the main race line" -or something to that effect. Adding this sentence to the rule book opens up every single pass for speculation and opinions....They should go back to the old way of interpretation.

In the case with Friese and Craig we all know who is faster right? No question there. but the race was winding down and if you are racing you keep racing. What if one of those clean block passes caused Craig to pump up, or slow his momentum enough that allowed Friese to stay out front a little longer that is the whole idea. Just ask Reed when Chisholm did that to him as he was being lapped allowing Chisolm's team make to pull out even further into the lead.

It is easy to criticize a guy who has a bad reputation for bone head moves. But in this case he did zero wrong in my book. Of course we don't want to see slower guys T-boning anyone who tries to pass them, But I can say I am sick of slower guys being afraid to race faster guys harder because they are don't want to be flamed on SM etc. This only makes the show more boring for all of us.
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1/25/2022 11:13am
Stopping on the track was a bit much and looked like arenacross.

GO CRAIG!
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I don't want to see any riders get hurt or taken out. But I sure wouldn't be sad to see Friese punted into the stands. Trouble always seems to follow him around. I'd hate to see some of the championship contenders loosing points because Friese is being Friese. He should know better by now, and if anyone is upset about verterans in the 250 class, the conversation should start with Friese.
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luckyguy19 wrote:
I don't want to see any riders get hurt or taken out. But I sure wouldn't be sad to see Friese punted into the stands. Trouble...
I don't want to see any riders get hurt or taken out. But I sure wouldn't be sad to see Friese punted into the stands. Trouble always seems to follow him around. I'd hate to see some of the championship contenders loosing points because Friese is being Friese. He should know better by now, and if anyone is upset about verterans in the 250 class, the conversation should start with Friese.
I'd hate to see Friese pull over just because it's the points leader. This is racing at the highest level, they should battle for every position possible with everything they have.

If the powers that be see something wrong with the way he is racing, they will punish him.

Only reason so many people are crying is because he raced Craig hard, just because Craig has a popular vlog, pimps his kids out on Social Media and is the favorite of all the industry nut huggers.... doesn't mean he should just get a free pass to the front of the pack.
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When did this sport become so soft? Bob Hannah would be disgusted
Weren’t you just yelling for penalties for bogle? Get some consistency bro
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NO ONE ever said he had to move over for a points leader. He's terrible at riding defense. He isn't fast enough. He's just fast enough to be in the way.
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NO ONE ever said he had to move over for a points leader. He's terrible at riding defense. He isn't fast enough. He's just fast enough...
NO ONE ever said he had to move over for a points leader. He's terrible at riding defense. He isn't fast enough. He's just fast enough to be in the way.
Don't you have a Vlog to be awkward as hell in or Instagram posts to make for your kids?
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1/25/2022 12:26pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2022 12:28pm
Windham had no problems with him

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1/25/2022 12:32pm
Vince gets way more TV time than a lot of the high paid 250 riders, smarttop loves the guyCool
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If it was just this race maybe, but the guy is a stooge. Spends twice as much time looking back then any other rider. Calling weston peick!!!!!!! Drifting in the whoops is not ok….watch the race again. Hes gonna hurt somebody.
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1/25/2022 12:46pm
When did this sport become so soft? Bob Hannah would be disgusted
How the hell can you take both sides of a argument ??Laughing damn your good.
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When did this sport become so soft? Bob Hannah would be disgusted
JazzyJJ wrote:
Weren’t you just yelling for penalties for bogle? Get some consistency bro
I mean Bogle should be penalized for a lapped rider taking out a rider on the lead lap. Last time I checked Craig and Friese were battling for position. He didn’t make it easy on him nor should he just pull over. Two completely different scenarios.
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1/25/2022 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2022 12:59pm
Agree with the OP…Is it really racing if your significantly slower than the guy coming up behind you? At that point Friese was no different than a lapper..

Now if Craig and Friese started together and were battling half the moto with each other, then any form of block passing is fair game..But that’s not what was going on here. They were not battling for position..Friese was a roadblock and he knew it.
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What is Friese even doing out there? He should be banned from competition riding like that towards the points leader. Craig has never passed him dirty...
What is Friese even doing out there? He should be banned from competition riding like that towards the points leader. Craig has never passed him dirty, and he constantly does it. Its time the guy goes on probation until the end of his career. Sick of it.
ARM670 wrote:
Yes everyone should pull over for Caig. I thought racing was about fighting for every position. Remember Emig was know as a dirty and dangerous rider...
Yes everyone should pull over for Caig. I thought racing was about fighting for every position. Remember Emig was know as a dirty and dangerous rider. He would holeshot and swerve all over to keep people behind him. Now we remember him as a champion.
I agree, while u would have the same reaction of "c'mon dude! What r u doing" its fair game, he can welcome it back, and honestly the diversity in riding ethics is enjoyable to watch and talk about
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1/25/2022 1:00pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2022 8:48pm
WTF is going on here?

It's round 3 of a Pro SX championship....

Vince has been a legitimate speed threat and has challenged to win heats and podium main events.

Craig made the decision that going after Vince was worth it. Vince had EVERY right to defend his position however he saw fit.

Some of you were never taught to fight for your position, and it shows.
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But Christian had a talk with Vince.
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mxtech1 wrote:
WTF is going on here? It's round 3 of a Pro SX championship.... Vince has been a legitimate speed threat and has challenged to win heats...
WTF is going on here?

It's round 3 of a Pro SX championship....

Vince has been a legitimate speed threat and has challenged to win heats and podium main events.

Craig made the decision that going after Vince was worth it. Vince had EVERY right to defend his position however he saw fit.

Some of you were never taught to fight for your position, and it shows.
I don't agree with a lot of your posts (too damn long) but you are 100% spot on in this one. Cool Wink
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Brad460 wrote:
Agree with the OP…Is it really racing if your significantly slower than the guy coming up behind you? At that point Friese was no different than...
Agree with the OP…Is it really racing if your significantly slower than the guy coming up behind you? At that point Friese was no different than a lapper..

Now if Craig and Friese started together and were battling half the moto with each other, then any form of block passing is fair game..But that’s not what was going on here. They were not battling for position..Friese was a roadblock and he knew it.
Well, the problem with your theory is they WERE racing for position. Period.

As someone else said, Craig shoulda just known better and waited to blow by him in the whoops. You'd think after a decade in the feeder class he'd have a little more racecraft...
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1/25/2022 1:11pm
Vince and he's teams goal is to get a podium. Race what's in front of him? 20seconds off 2nd. Why do you think it's unacceptable to defend your position? In road racing you can literally hold people up the whole race defending. If I was in his position I'd of tried my best to take Craig out for an easy podium and payday. Some right retarded shit on here saying you can race for position because the guy behind is faster it's about as stupid as saying lappers should be black flagged. You can't handle hard racing why the fuck are you watching supercross
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