Are Supercross whoop sections ruining the racing?

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Spurdo 1/21/2022 8:42am
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Did KTM sponsor this post?
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DonM 1/21/2022 8:54am
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Ummmm…..no
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LumpDog841 1/21/2022 8:55am
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Are jumps on a supercross track ruining racing???? Are dirt bikes ruining supercross????
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philG 1/21/2022 9:01am
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Yes, they will rut out in the mains and be one line,. 2 short sets is better,
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Premix4Life 1/21/2022 9:02am
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And why your next trip to the salad bar could be your last, coming up after the break.
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sandtrack315 1/21/2022 9:06am
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No. If anything, starts with a 22 person gate, and narrow lanes that make it hard to pass, are.
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Magoofan 1/21/2022 9:18am
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I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is practicing all week long on clone tracks.

There are no surprises.

It's become holeshot-cross.
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sandtrack315 1/21/2022 9:23am
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Yeah, Josh Hill brought up a great point recently that the main events would be much better with fewer dudes. Imagine if we just had the top 10 guys...even with a last place start, you have a shot at winning.

Once I have the data, I am going to see if supercross finishes have gotten more start dependent over the last 20 years. It seems so.
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Bradshaw Fan 1/21/2022 9:26am
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If the track designers wont build challenging tracks with multiple jump combinations then the whoops are all they have to separate the guys. With that said the track builders should stick to keeping the whoops close together where the guys cannot jump and they have to skim them. Or spread them out so they are jumpers and the guys can't skim. This in between is getting guys hurt and the whoops are breaking down so bad they become one lined.

Maybe its time for a new track builder with new ideas. In 2009 some retired riders designed tracks for supercross and it was awesome. Those tracks made for some good racing and fun to watch.

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RightHookNoCandy 1/21/2022 9:27am
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Magoofan wrote:
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is...
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is practicing all week long on clone tracks.

There are no surprises.

It's become holeshot-cross.
So you have to be precise (I'm assuming your talking about rhythm timing, speed, etc) but the tracks are cookie cutter?...not really understanding the connection.
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The whoops are my favorite part of supercross.
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Yeh, let’s make it flat, no one gets hurt in flat track. Better yet, let’s pave it. Then all will be safe.
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Magoofan wrote:
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is...
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is practicing all week long on clone tracks.

There are no surprises.

It's become holeshot-cross.
Clearly you missed last round. Hole shot didn't mean shit. Cianciarulo grabbed the hole shot and ended up 12th.
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sandtrack315 wrote:
Yeah, Josh Hill brought up a great point recently that the main events would be much better with fewer dudes. Imagine if we just had the...
Yeah, Josh Hill brought up a great point recently that the main events would be much better with fewer dudes. Imagine if we just had the top 10 guys...even with a last place start, you have a shot at winning.

Once I have the data, I am going to see if supercross finishes have gotten more start dependent over the last 20 years. It seems so.
With fewer dudes he wouldn’t be in the mains lol.
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sandtrack315 1/21/2022 9:45am
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sandtrack315 wrote:
Yeah, Josh Hill brought up a great point recently that the main events would be much better with fewer dudes. Imagine if we just had the...
Yeah, Josh Hill brought up a great point recently that the main events would be much better with fewer dudes. Imagine if we just had the top 10 guys...even with a last place start, you have a shot at winning.

Once I have the data, I am going to see if supercross finishes have gotten more start dependent over the last 20 years. It seems so.
nskerb wrote:
With fewer dudes he wouldn’t be in the mains lol.
He said that too lol
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sandtrack315 1/21/2022 9:46am
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JK BRO wrote:
Clearly you missed last round. Hole shot didn't mean shit. Cianciarulo grabbed the hole shot and ended up 12th.
He also doesn't have a working shoulder...
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Magoofan 1/21/2022 9:51am
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Magoofan wrote:
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is...
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is practicing all week long on clone tracks.

There are no surprises.

It's become holeshot-cross.
RightHookNoCandy wrote:
So you have to be precise (I'm assuming your talking about rhythm timing, speed, etc) but the tracks are cookie cutter?...not really understanding the connection.
I'm saying mix it up with some surprises that can't be practiced to death so it makes for more interesting racing.

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Magoofan 1/21/2022 9:53am
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JK BRO wrote:
Clearly you missed last round. Hole shot didn't mean shit. Cianciarulo grabbed the hole shot and ended up 12th.
I can't help you if you don't see the obvious reason here.

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1911 1/21/2022 10:02am
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I think Brakechecks are hurting the series more then the woops.
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eric513anderson 1/21/2022 10:13am
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Magoofan wrote:
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is...
I say it's the cookie cutter tracks that make the racing boring. I've mentioned in other threads. It's like watching gymnastics anymore....all about precision. Everyone is practicing all week long on clone tracks.

There are no surprises.

It's become holeshot-cross.
JK BRO wrote:
Clearly you missed last round. Hole shot didn't mean shit. Cianciarulo grabbed the hole shot and ended up 12th.
And the guy is riding with a grade 3 AC joint separation. If he started 8th he still would have probably finished about 12th
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JK BRO wrote:
Clearly you missed last round. Hole shot didn't mean shit. Cianciarulo grabbed the hole shot and ended up 12th.
still a cookie cutter track... now days, they all are..
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GangGreen 1/21/2022 11:24am
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The whoops are the only place "clean" passing occurs regularly.

The author wrote."........at what point does the difficulty of the whoops go from separating the talented from the slightly less talented and become a roulette wheel of potential doom?"

The track designers have been giving the riders such a long run at the whoops, that's what makes them dangerous. The first whoop needs to be right out of the corner to keep the speeds slower.

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ratonmacias 1/21/2022 11:33am
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make them bigger only top 10 riders should be able to blitz them
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fins227 1/21/2022 11:52am
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I’ve seen some terrible opinions on here lately.
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richter28 1/21/2022 12:16pm
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I'd chalk that opinion up as the SX equivalent of "wokeness", and it upsets me that more than one person thinks like the author. After years of watching Amsoil AX whoops be bigger than SX whoops, this take is laughable. It's been 2 weeks, and the dirt has been unseasonably soft due to prior weather. Chill down.
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bigk218 1/21/2022 12:18pm
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These generic tracks with the same obstacles every weekend aren’t helping
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