MXGP and MX US, your pick!

KurtJ99 wrote:

Track - Red Bud just to bias. Not gonna put a sand track in front of Herlings :) Jeffrey Herlings vs Dylan Ferrandis = Dylan, he's...

Track - Red Bud just to bias. Not gonna put a sand track in front of Herlings

Jeffrey Herlings vs Dylan Ferrandis = Dylan, he's alot better than last time he raced JH and would surprise, I know this goes against conventional wisdom that Herlings is FMOTP.
Romain Febvre vs Eli Tomac = Tomac but close
Tim Gajser vs Ken Roczen = Gajser
Jeremy Seewer vs Cooper Webb = Seewer, Cooper is getting better but Seewer's final races speed tips the scale
Jorge Prado Garcia vs Chase Sexton = Prado, was injured and faster than final results show
Antonio Cairoli vs Christian Craig = AC was injured and faster than results show
Glenn Coldenhoff vs Marvin Musquin = Marvin
Pauls Jonass vs Joey Savatgy = Jonass
Thomas Kjer Olsen vs Justin Barcia = Barcia
Alessandro Lupino vs Aaron Plessinger = Plessinger, was injured and faster than final results show

Maxime Renaux vs Jett Lawrence = Jett
Jago Geerts vs Justin Cooper = Justin, toss up, Geerts crashes more
Tom Vialle vs Hunter Lawrence = Vialle (was injured, clearly fastest in class)
Mattia Guadagnini vs RJ Hampshire = RJ
Jed Beaton vs Jo Shimoda = Jo
Rene Hofer vs Jeremy Martin = Jeremy
Kay De Wolf vs Austin Forkner = Kay De Wolf
Thibault Benistant vs Michael Mosiman = Mosiman
Ruben Fernandez vs Max Vohland = Vohland
Simon Laengenfelder vs Dilan Schwartz =Dilan

nissan_ wrote:

I know it’s your opinion, my friend but we all know Ferrandis would get spat on by Herlings. What Herlings did this season was pretty crazy...

I know it’s your opinion, my friend but we all know Ferrandis would get spat on by Herlings. What Herlings did this season was pretty crazy. Ferrandis is fast but in MXGP he isn’t competitive. All the guys who don’t succeed in MXGP go to America. Herlings literally beat Tomac nearly every single time and nearly all of that being on home turf. Tomac is I believe skill wise better than Ferrandis so you already know who’s a better rider. The American motocross isn’t the same anymore because you can’t compare them Europeans much. Euro guys train MX all year round whilst the American dudes need to get ready for SX. Call me a Herlings fanboy which I kind of am but truth be told Herlings is a better rider. Herlings won whilst never having to dip to America.

crusty_xx wrote:

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what...

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what world would Dylan Ferrandis not be competitive in MXGP? I don't say he's better than Herlings but at Red Bud he would give him all he can handle and then some

crusty_xx wrote:

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what...

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what world would Dylan Ferrandis not be competitive in MXGP? I don't say he's better than Herlings but at Red Bud he would give him all he can handle and then some

Rad76 wrote:

Agree with that... DF14 used to battle Herlings on 250 on a shitty bike in a shit show team. Considering his slight improvements since this days...

Agree with that... DF14 used to battle Herlings on 250 on a shitty bike in a shit show team. Considering his slight improvements since this days, i'd say he could at least make it interesting. Kenny was decent in GP also, if i remember correctly. And Marv.

Sully wrote:

The OP asked us to do a one-to-one comparison of the top 10 in the [i]2021[/i] MXGP & US Nationals, and you bring up a guy...

The OP asked us to do a one-to-one comparison of the top 10 in the 2021 MXGP & US Nationals, and you bring up a guy who's not even and option – and has been retired for 15 years – then get attitude like yours is the perfect answer? Get the fuck outta here with that shit...

crusty_xx wrote:

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what...

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what world would Dylan Ferrandis not be competitive in MXGP? I don't say he's better than Herlings but at Red Bud he would give him all he can handle and then some

Rad76 wrote:

Agree with that... DF14 used to battle Herlings on 250 on a shitty bike in a shit show team. Considering his slight improvements since this days...

Agree with that... DF14 used to battle Herlings on 250 on a shitty bike in a shit show team. Considering his slight improvements since this days, i'd say he could at least make it interesting. Kenny was decent in GP also, if i remember correctly. And Marv.

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

I wouldn’t really call it battling, you can probably count on one hand how many times DF beat JH straight up.

Last Braaap wrote:

Herlings (DF never beat the Bullet...) Tomac (Febvre is human, ET is not) Gajser (Diamond vs. Glass, KR94 is too brittle) Webb (Seewer's time is coming...

Herlings (DF never beat the Bullet...)
Tomac (Febvre is human, ET is not)
Gajser (Diamond vs. Glass, KR94 is too brittle)
Webb (Seewer's time is coming but currently CW2 is better)
Prado
Cairoli (not even close)
Coldenhoff
Jonass (one is world champ, the other is choke artist)
Barcia (TKO is no match in 1 vs.1 race)
Plessinger

Jettson Lawrence
Geerts
Vialle
Guadagnini
Shimoda
JMart
KDW
Benistant
Fernandez
Schwartziboi!

nissan_ wrote:

I know it’s your opinion, my friend but we all know Ferrandis would get spat on by Herlings. What Herlings did this season was pretty crazy...

I know it’s your opinion, my friend but we all know Ferrandis would get spat on by Herlings. What Herlings did this season was pretty crazy. Ferrandis is fast but in MXGP he isn’t competitive. All the guys who don’t succeed in MXGP go to America. Herlings literally beat Tomac nearly every single time and nearly all of that being on home turf. Tomac is I believe skill wise better than Ferrandis so you already know who’s a better rider. The American motocross isn’t the same anymore because you can’t compare them Europeans much. Euro guys train MX all year round whilst the American dudes need to get ready for SX. Call me a Herlings fanboy which I kind of am but truth be told Herlings is a better rider. Herlings won whilst never having to dip to America.

crusty_xx wrote:

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what...

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what world would Dylan Ferrandis not be competitive in MXGP? I don't say he's better than Herlings but at Red Bud he would give him all he can handle and then some

nissan_ wrote:

Depends on how the track is prepped,

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Is it okay to just like all motocross racing? Having gone through every era and changing of the guard since 1970 I am less rider and...

Is it okay to just like all motocross racing?

Having gone through every era and changing of the guard since 1970 I am less rider and rider-origin oriented (apart from respect) and am happy for every race I get to watch, local, National or GP

crusty_xx wrote:

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what...

I know it's your opinion my friend but a dude from Canada just came over and finished top 10 on a non-factory bike so in what world would Dylan Ferrandis not be competitive in MXGP? I don't say he's better than Herlings but at Red Bud he would give him all he can handle and then some

nissan_ wrote:

Depends on how the track is prepped,

crusty_xx wrote:

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after...

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after racing on the track for years

nissan_ wrote:

Depends on how the track is prepped,

crusty_xx wrote:

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after...

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after racing on the track for years

nissan_ wrote:

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in...

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in the sand Herlings would win. Maybe in hardpack it’d be close. There is literally nobody faster on sand than Herlings. Herlings lacks a few things other guys have but it’s not speed, especially on sand. I know Tomac has nothing to do with Ferrandis, but proves he was tough and is tough now.

crusty_xx wrote:

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after...

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after racing on the track for years

nissan_ wrote:

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in...

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in the sand Herlings would win. Maybe in hardpack it’d be close. There is literally nobody faster on sand than Herlings. Herlings lacks a few things other guys have but it’s not speed, especially on sand. I know Tomac has nothing to do with Ferrandis, but proves he was tough and is tough now.

Press516 wrote:

Tomac's MXGP record is 1-1 1-1 1-3... See how easy it is to cherry pick the data?

crusty_xx wrote:

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after...

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after racing on the track for years

nissan_ wrote:

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in...

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in the sand Herlings would win. Maybe in hardpack it’d be close. There is literally nobody faster on sand than Herlings. Herlings lacks a few things other guys have but it’s not speed, especially on sand. I know Tomac has nothing to do with Ferrandis, but proves he was tough and is tough now.

Press516 wrote:

Tomac's MXGP record is 1-1 1-1 1-3... See how easy it is to cherry pick the data?

nissan_ wrote:

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in...

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in the sand Herlings would win. Maybe in hardpack it’d be close. There is literally nobody faster on sand than Herlings. Herlings lacks a few things other guys have but it’s not speed, especially on sand. I know Tomac has nothing to do with Ferrandis, but proves he was tough and is tough now.

Press516 wrote:

Tomac's MXGP record is 1-1 1-1 1-3... See how easy it is to cherry pick the data?

mxb2 wrote:

Some have selective memory. Tomac won the title that day, credit to herlings for the win. But maybe bring up charlotte, florida mxgp results.

nissan_ wrote:

Depends on how the track is prepped,

crusty_xx wrote:

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after...

Well he went 6-8 on a 250 at mxdn (sandiest the track has ever been) so I doubt he'd be any worse on a 450 after racing on the track for years

nissan_ wrote:

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in...

I think we’re forgetting when Herlings came to the US and whooped Tomac lol. I’m sure it might be a fun battle to watch but in the sand Herlings would win. Maybe in hardpack it’d be close. There is literally nobody faster on sand than Herlings. Herlings lacks a few things other guys have but it’s not speed, especially on sand. I know Tomac has nothing to do with Ferrandis, but proves he was tough and is tough now.

nissan_ wrote:

I know it’s your opinion, my friend but we all know Ferrandis would get spat on by Herlings. What Herlings did this season was pretty crazy...

I know it’s your opinion, my friend but we all know Ferrandis would get spat on by Herlings. What Herlings did this season was pretty crazy. Ferrandis is fast but in MXGP he isn’t competitive. All the guys who don’t succeed in MXGP go to America. Herlings literally beat Tomac nearly every single time and nearly all of that being on home turf. Tomac is I believe skill wise better than Ferrandis so you already know who’s a better rider. The American motocross isn’t the same anymore because you can’t compare them Europeans much. Euro guys train MX all year round whilst the American dudes need to get ready for SX. Call me a Herlings fanboy which I kind of am but truth be told Herlings is a better rider. Herlings won whilst never having to dip to America.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

They go to America because they want to race Supercross.

Ferrandis not competitive in MXGP? Yeah, okay. 🙄

nissan_ wrote:

You can hate on me all you want but he isn’t on par with Herlings or top 3 guys in MXGP. Everyone hates my opinion cause...

You can hate on me all you want but he isn’t on par with Herlings or top 3 guys in MXGP. Everyone hates my opinion cause I share my actual thoughts not bandwagon. I’d take it all back if guy smoked everyone in Europe and take my hat off to him but he’s not better at MX than the other guys in Europe.

I’m sure they go there for SX or whatever but most of the guys that go to the US have been smoked day in and day out in Europe. American racing is different. It’s not on the same level anymore my man. Tracks tend to be gnarlier in Europe as well.

Sully wrote:

The OP asked us to do a one-to-one comparison of the top 10 in the [i]2021[/i] MXGP & US Nationals, and you bring up a guy...

The OP asked us to do a one-to-one comparison of the top 10 in the 2021 MXGP & US Nationals, and you bring up a guy who's not even and option – and has been retired for 15 years – then get attitude like yours is the perfect answer? Get the fuck outta here with that shit...

Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:

Looks like you’re having a hard time accepting RC is the GOAT.

mxb2 wrote:

Some have selective memory. Tomac won the title that day, credit to herlings for the win. But maybe bring up charlotte, florida mxgp results.

Last Braaap wrote:

Herlings (DF never beat the Bullet...) Tomac (Febvre is human, ET is not) Gajser (Diamond vs. Glass, KR94 is too brittle) Webb (Seewer's time is coming...

Herlings (DF never beat the Bullet...)
Tomac (Febvre is human, ET is not)
Gajser (Diamond vs. Glass, KR94 is too brittle)
Webb (Seewer's time is coming but currently CW2 is better)
Prado
Cairoli (not even close)
Coldenhoff
Jonass (one is world champ, the other is choke artist)
Barcia (TKO is no match in 1 vs.1 race)
Plessinger

Jettson Lawrence
Geerts
Vialle
Guadagnini
Shimoda
JMart
KDW
Benistant
Fernandez
Schwartziboi!

Rosso391 wrote:

I'M SORRY....What did you say?

mxb2 wrote:

Some have selective memory. Tomac won the title that day, credit to herlings for the win. But maybe bring up charlotte, florida mxgp results.

Mugeneco wrote:

talking about selective memory , as far as I know Tomac has beat Herlings a single moto so far in his career They raced each other...

talking about selective memory , as far as I know Tomac has beat Herlings a single moto so far in his career
They raced each other 7 or 8 motos in total ? so Herlings won all the other motos?
you need more excuses to make it look closer

and if you want to compare Tomac to MXGP , you might want to mention his MXON results
how many motos did he win at MXON ? talking about selective memory :-)

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Doesn't everyone get tired of the silly AMA vs . GP shit ? They are all great riders in their own right .

mxb2 wrote:

Some have selective memory. Tomac won the title that day, credit to herlings for the win. But maybe bring up charlotte, florida mxgp results.

Mugeneco wrote:

talking about selective memory , as far as I know Tomac has beat Herlings a single moto so far in his career They raced each other...

talking about selective memory , as far as I know Tomac has beat Herlings a single moto so far in his career
They raced each other 7 or 8 motos in total ? so Herlings won all the other motos?
you need more excuses to make it look closer

and if you want to compare Tomac to MXGP , you might want to mention his MXON results
how many motos did he win at MXON ? talking about selective memory :-)

mxb2 wrote:

I gave credit to herlings, but to think tomac cant ride that pace is comical.

Mugeneco wrote:

talking about selective memory , as far as I know Tomac has beat Herlings a single moto so far in his career They raced each other...

talking about selective memory , as far as I know Tomac has beat Herlings a single moto so far in his career
They raced each other 7 or 8 motos in total ? so Herlings won all the other motos?
you need more excuses to make it look closer

and if you want to compare Tomac to MXGP , you might want to mention his MXON results
how many motos did he win at MXON ? talking about selective memory :-)

mxb2 wrote:

I gave credit to herlings, but to think tomac cant ride that pace is comical.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Herlings has established himself as the fastest outdoor motocross racer in the world. It's difficult to make a strong argument against that . Second tier to...

Herlings has established himself as the fastest outdoor motocross racer in the world. It's difficult to make a strong argument against that . Second tier to me would be Gajser , Febvre , Tomac , Ferrandis and Roczen in no particular order , each of them capable of beating Herlings on a given day . And I'm talking sheer speed here not the number of titles they have .