You're the designer of Triumph, with a clean sheet of paper. What do you do?

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I think a slight change in the logo could boost the sales in the US MX community.
Laughing

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10/15/2021 12:00pm
Dirtydeeds wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/15/514429/s1200_C1DEEB01_A3A5_409F_BEC1_D749D9DB1910.jpg[/img]

I wondered how long it would take for this bulkshit to hit vital.
This is just a CRF with white plastic and a SKDA graphics kit.
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GrapeApe
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10/15/2021 12:16pm
Dirtydeeds wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/15/514429/s1200_C1DEEB01_A3A5_409F_BEC1_D749D9DB1910.jpg[/img]

I wondered how long it would take for this bulkshit to hit vital.
This is just a CRF with white plastic and a SKDA graphics kit.
Well if that's the case I wish they would have called it a concept design or something to let us know we aren't looking at an actual production Triumph.
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10/15/2021 12:25pm
Dirtydeeds wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/15/514429/s1200_C1DEEB01_A3A5_409F_BEC1_D749D9DB1910.jpg[/img]

I wondered how long it would take for this bulkshit to hit vital.
This is just a CRF with white plastic and a SKDA graphics kit.

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GrapeApe wrote:
Well if that's the case I wish they would have called it a concept design or something to let us know we aren't looking at an...
Well if that's the case I wish they would have called it a concept design or something to let us know we aren't looking at an actual production Triumph.
Disclaimers dont generate clicks and Get people talking Unfortunately lol
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Mr Bond likes them

10/15/2021 2:40pm
Dirtydeeds wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/15/514429/s1200_C1DEEB01_A3A5_409F_BEC1_D749D9DB1910.jpg[/img]

I wondered how long it would take for this bulkshit to hit vital.
This is just a CRF with white plastic and a SKDA graphics kit.
GrapeApe wrote:
Well if that's the case I wish they would have called it a concept design or something to let us know we aren't looking at an...
Well if that's the case I wish they would have called it a concept design or something to let us know we aren't looking at an actual production Triumph.
I hear you.
But my point is that many of the dipshits on this forum will think it’s actually real.
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10/15/2021 2:50pm
I hear you.
But my point is that many of the dipshits on this forum will think it’s actually real.
The picture says right on it that it’s a ‘concept by SKDA’. TF more do they need to say?
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I wondered how long it would take for this bulkshit to hit vital.
This is just a CRF with white plastic and a SKDA graphics kit.
GrapeApe wrote:
Well if that's the case I wish they would have called it a concept design or something to let us know we aren't looking at an...
Well if that's the case I wish they would have called it a concept design or something to let us know we aren't looking at an actual production Triumph.
I hear you.
But my point is that many of the dipshits on this forum will think it’s actually real.
You're one of the biggest dipshits on this forum, and you figured it out somehow.
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seven10 wrote:
Simple equation
Suzuki frame +Ktm engine= Triumph
Not gunna happen but we can all dream.
Already been done !


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10/15/2021 6:18pm Edited Date/Time 10/15/2021 6:23pm
The Triumph sport bikes already come stock with Ohlins, Brembo and carbon fiber bits. Natural for them to continue this on the MX/off road launch if it ever happens. They have the data to make a competitive motor and electronic control. Highly doubt they are going for the price point market. Who knows if it actually happens it could be great and and viable option. RC hung his hat on it so his name is on the line.
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10/15/2021 7:20pm
Dirtydeeds wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/15/514429/s1200_C1DEEB01_A3A5_409F_BEC1_D749D9DB1910.jpg[/img]

Ugly as fuck…please, NO!
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This.



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Make a badass electric motocross bike.
- Synthetic Sound System
- Active Electromagnetic Suspension
- Traction Control

…I can go on but it needs to be on par with F1
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10/17/2021 7:09pm
Rupert X wrote:
1. Contact the engineers behind the Cannondale and Buehl projects; listen to them, LEARN from their mistakes. 2. Proceed ahead accordingly, peering well into the future...
1. Contact the engineers behind the Cannondale and Buehl projects; listen to them, LEARN from their mistakes. 2. Proceed ahead accordingly, peering well into the future. 3. Round up a focus group of mx riders, from all talent levels and ages, engage and then accumulate the feedback -then process data. 4. Try to make mufflers smaller than Kawasaki’s. 5. Consider the boutique bike/options theme 6.Make the air-filter way tooooo easy to service. 7. Install the best components available. 8. Grease em up and sell ‘em
Bet you can't say 'tobogganing' 3 tmes, fast. With a straight face. In mixed company.... And by mixed I mean, like in a country AND, western bar.
10/18/2021 1:01am
I hear you.
But my point is that many of the dipshits on this forum will think it’s actually real.
dmoore611 wrote:
The picture says right on it that it’s a ‘concept by SKDA’. TF more do they need to say? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/15/514445/s1200_420917AC_BFE6_499B_A143_D2540F2AB889.jpg[/img]
The picture says right on it that it’s a ‘concept by SKDA’. TF more do they need to say?
“It’s just a KTM with red plastic!”

How many times did we read that on this forum??

Yes, yes, we know, Thankyou. Please for the love of God can people stop informing us it’s just a KTM with red plastic. Yet they still continue to ‘break the news’.Pinch Pinch
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FatCat Moto-Parc has been booked out for a couple of months for exclusive use by Triumph according to someone I spoke to who may or may not work at Triumph. So lets wait and see what happens before posting white and black Honda bikes Silly
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I'm not into electric dirt bikes personally, but if I was the CEO, this is my first draft of a plan.

Point: You can't start generating revenue until you have product for sale, so get to market quickly while developing innovations to release later.

So, I would release a line of Gas powered bikes on the KTM platform with changes, then put the majority R&D money into developing electric bikes, both dirt and street.

Leverage KTM's and part manufacturer's technology and manufacturing as much as possible for first generation bikes.
Release the following models on KTM platform for the 2022 Outdoor season, then the 2023 SX season with changes that differentiate:

4 Stroke
450F
350F
250F

2 Stroke
250
125
85
65
50

Changes:
* Forks: KYB spring forks. Dial in the valving perfectly for each bike.
* Shock: KYB or what KTM uses now. Some testing will be required.
* Titanium foot pegs
* Upgraded bars
* Yoshimura or other pipe upgrade as standard equipment. At least on the bigger bikes.
* Bold New Graphics with a unique, and ultra cool look. Break the mold here. Hire a great designer. Don't skimp.

For marketing purposes, and to build brand loyalty for up and comers, buy Stacyc. Rebrand Triumph Stacyc.

Gas powered bikes should leverage KTM's engineering for engines. A new gas powered engine should not be developed.

Then innovate:
For all bikes, develop an aluminum frame and subframe that keeps weight distribution identical to the steel frame.
Keep some of the flex people enjoy in the KTMs, with the weight advantages of aluminum.
If adjustments need to be made, by all means dial it in.
This would be a good time to redesign the plastics.
This frame may be able to be licensed to KTM or the other KTM brands on a royalty basis.

Then develop an all electric bike using a frame similar to the one developed for the 250F.
Design with the ability to either easily swap batteries, upgrade or add additional batteries.
Hire a great team of designers that will make the bike look cutting edge and futuristic, while still looking tough.

I would release a 50cc class electric first, then work up the line.
Modify the look of the Stacyc to look like a little brother of the 50cc class electric so the kids on Stacyc will see the 50cc class electric as the next bike to have.

The street side would require a different strategy.
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Few easy steps
1.) Require more funding from factory
2.) Make a lousy powerpoint presentation for higher ups
3.) Require more funding from factory
4.) Make a shitty 3D model for the upper management
5.) Require more funding from factory
6.) Announce fake rider line-up that includes retirees who never heard a word from you.
7.) Require more money for the factory to "start this ambitious project"

!Now the most important part!
8.) Transfer the funding to your off-shore account
9.) Change your name
10) Flee to safe country and enjoy this achievement! You are one of dozen people who were able to make money in motocross. Laughing
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Goon645 wrote:
FatCat Moto-Parc has been booked out for a couple of months for exclusive use by Triumph according to someone I spoke to who may or may...
FatCat Moto-Parc has been booked out for a couple of months for exclusive use by Triumph according to someone I spoke to who may or may not work at Triumph. So lets wait and see what happens before posting white and black Honda bikes Silly
Do you know which months?? I’ll go there see if I can get a spy shot!
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10/18/2021 10:59am
Radical wrote:
I'm not into electric dirt bikes personally, but if I was the CEO, this is my first draft of a plan. Point: You can't start generating...
I'm not into electric dirt bikes personally, but if I was the CEO, this is my first draft of a plan.

Point: You can't start generating revenue until you have product for sale, so get to market quickly while developing innovations to release later.

So, I would release a line of Gas powered bikes on the KTM platform with changes, then put the majority R&D money into developing electric bikes, both dirt and street.

Leverage KTM's and part manufacturer's technology and manufacturing as much as possible for first generation bikes.
Release the following models on KTM platform for the 2022 Outdoor season, then the 2023 SX season with changes that differentiate:

4 Stroke
450F
350F
250F

2 Stroke
250
125
85
65
50

Changes:
* Forks: KYB spring forks. Dial in the valving perfectly for each bike.
* Shock: KYB or what KTM uses now. Some testing will be required.
* Titanium foot pegs
* Upgraded bars
* Yoshimura or other pipe upgrade as standard equipment. At least on the bigger bikes.
* Bold New Graphics with a unique, and ultra cool look. Break the mold here. Hire a great designer. Don't skimp.

For marketing purposes, and to build brand loyalty for up and comers, buy Stacyc. Rebrand Triumph Stacyc.

Gas powered bikes should leverage KTM's engineering for engines. A new gas powered engine should not be developed.

Then innovate:
For all bikes, develop an aluminum frame and subframe that keeps weight distribution identical to the steel frame.
Keep some of the flex people enjoy in the KTMs, with the weight advantages of aluminum.
If adjustments need to be made, by all means dial it in.
This would be a good time to redesign the plastics.
This frame may be able to be licensed to KTM or the other KTM brands on a royalty basis.

Then develop an all electric bike using a frame similar to the one developed for the 250F.
Design with the ability to either easily swap batteries, upgrade or add additional batteries.
Hire a great team of designers that will make the bike look cutting edge and futuristic, while still looking tough.

I would release a 50cc class electric first, then work up the line.
Modify the look of the Stacyc to look like a little brother of the 50cc class electric so the kids on Stacyc will see the 50cc class electric as the next bike to have.

The street side would require a different strategy.
stop with the "start with a KTM" stupidity.
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Triumph, kicking ass, taking names!
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Radical wrote:
I'm not into electric dirt bikes personally, but if I was the CEO, this is my first draft of a plan. Point: You can't start generating...
I'm not into electric dirt bikes personally, but if I was the CEO, this is my first draft of a plan.

Point: You can't start generating revenue until you have product for sale, so get to market quickly while developing innovations to release later.

So, I would release a line of Gas powered bikes on the KTM platform with changes, then put the majority R&D money into developing electric bikes, both dirt and street.

Leverage KTM's and part manufacturer's technology and manufacturing as much as possible for first generation bikes.
Release the following models on KTM platform for the 2022 Outdoor season, then the 2023 SX season with changes that differentiate:

4 Stroke
450F
350F
250F

2 Stroke
250
125
85
65
50

Changes:
* Forks: KYB spring forks. Dial in the valving perfectly for each bike.
* Shock: KYB or what KTM uses now. Some testing will be required.
* Titanium foot pegs
* Upgraded bars
* Yoshimura or other pipe upgrade as standard equipment. At least on the bigger bikes.
* Bold New Graphics with a unique, and ultra cool look. Break the mold here. Hire a great designer. Don't skimp.

For marketing purposes, and to build brand loyalty for up and comers, buy Stacyc. Rebrand Triumph Stacyc.

Gas powered bikes should leverage KTM's engineering for engines. A new gas powered engine should not be developed.

Then innovate:
For all bikes, develop an aluminum frame and subframe that keeps weight distribution identical to the steel frame.
Keep some of the flex people enjoy in the KTMs, with the weight advantages of aluminum.
If adjustments need to be made, by all means dial it in.
This would be a good time to redesign the plastics.
This frame may be able to be licensed to KTM or the other KTM brands on a royalty basis.

Then develop an all electric bike using a frame similar to the one developed for the 250F.
Design with the ability to either easily swap batteries, upgrade or add additional batteries.
Hire a great team of designers that will make the bike look cutting edge and futuristic, while still looking tough.

I would release a 50cc class electric first, then work up the line.
Modify the look of the Stacyc to look like a little brother of the 50cc class electric so the kids on Stacyc will see the 50cc class electric as the next bike to have.

The street side would require a different strategy.
yota wrote:
stop with the "start with a KTM" stupidity.
If you have unlimited time and budget, you don't start with a KTM.
If you want your company to survive and thrive, you leverage what's available to you, then use the budget you have to innovate.

If I were to step into the CEO role at Triumph, that's the basic plan I'd follow, and Triumph would thrive.

Although I'm not into electric dirt bikes, for the street, I find them downright sexy!
As a technologist, I would love to develop a completely 100% cutting edge line of electric street bikes.
With the profit, I'd then build out a few Harley destroying, earth shaking, bad to the bone, gas powered models too.
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Radical wrote:
If you have unlimited time and budget, you don't start with a KTM. If you want your company to survive and thrive, you leverage what's available...
If you have unlimited time and budget, you don't start with a KTM.
If you want your company to survive and thrive, you leverage what's available to you, then use the budget you have to innovate.

If I were to step into the CEO role at Triumph, that's the basic plan I'd follow, and Triumph would thrive.

Although I'm not into electric dirt bikes, for the street, I find them downright sexy!
As a technologist, I would love to develop a completely 100% cutting edge line of electric street bikes.
With the profit, I'd then build out a few Harley destroying, earth shaking, bad to the bone, gas powered models too.
What makes you think ktm would be interested in helping triumph come to market?

You’d have to pay them out the ass to use there platform.

Quite possibly the dumbest thread on vital

“If I was ceo of triumph it would thrive” lol ok what multi million(billion?) dollar company do you run?
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10/21/2021 7:18pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2021 7:19pm
Still shocked the greatest usa motcrosser of all time hung his name and reputation on vapor ware. Sure hope they deliver for RC's sake
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SCC wrote:
Still shocked the greatest usa motcrosser of all time hung his name and reputation on vapor ware. Sure hope they deliver for RC's sake
How has he hung his reputation on it? He’s just helping them out. Triumphs rep is the one in the line not RC.
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gt80rider wrote:
Triumph, kicking ass, taking names! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/19/515072/s1200_Triumph_Supercross_Motorcycle.jpg[/img]
Triumph, kicking ass, taking names!
I see what you did there.


Quality.

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