Alpinestars using new soles?

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wydopen 9/14/2021 5:04am
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13.5hrs with dull ims and 1hr with sharp pegs.
Dont know how people ride on their arches like that. Guess racing downhill mtb with clipless pedals teaches you to be in the right spot and drop your heals.


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It really blows me away every time I see these threads. I have 80ish hours on the more worn pair and about 30 on the new gen soles and I run a fairly sharp aftermarket peg. But I do move my feet around a ton. I do like that the soles have a ton of grip so I am not sliding off the pegs a lot.



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EV901 wrote:
Biggest problem you guys have is not the wear on the boots, but where your feet are placed. Riding on the heels and rotating your feet...
Biggest problem you guys have is not the wear on the boots, but where your feet are placed. Riding on the heels and rotating your feet in and out not to hit gear/brake lever, you just grind the shit out of them.

If you were to ride on the balls of your feet, boots would last 2-3x longer. Because you are constantly lifting your feet not just grinding them with the in and out movement + there seems to be more material by the toes also.

I ride Tech 10s, Ti pegs and before I manage to go through the soles, I just switch them out for new colorways - so every 40-50h.
I’m sure that does play a factor. The left sole is the one that wears out faster for me. There’s a certain amount of finagling that must be done to get a size 13 Tech 10 beneath the shifter. Being 6’2” 200 lbs plus isn’t easy on any sole.
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wydopen wrote:
13.5hrs with dull ims and 1hr with sharp pegs. Dont know how people ride on their arches like that. Guess racing downhill mtb with clipless pedals...
13.5hrs with dull ims and 1hr with sharp pegs.
Dont know how people ride on their arches like that. Guess racing downhill mtb with clipless pedals teaches you to be in the right spot and drop your heals.


Funny you mention mountain biking as I also raced mountain bikes before motorcycles so it feels more natural to be on the balls of my feet. One of the things I like best about the tech 10's is that they are stiff enough to be on the balls and hit something unexpected and it doesn't smoke my ankles like a softer boot can.

And full disclosure, I am a rep for PU and we sell Astars but I'm obviously using the product and also see a much wider scope as I sell a lot of these and many other models of boots and rarely hear issues.
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EV901 wrote:
Biggest problem you guys have is not the wear on the boots, but where your feet are placed. Riding on the heels and rotating your feet...
Biggest problem you guys have is not the wear on the boots, but where your feet are placed. Riding on the heels and rotating your feet in and out not to hit gear/brake lever, you just grind the shit out of them.

If you were to ride on the balls of your feet, boots would last 2-3x longer. Because you are constantly lifting your feet not just grinding them with the in and out movement + there seems to be more material by the toes also.

I ride Tech 10s, Ti pegs and before I manage to go through the soles, I just switch them out for new colorways - so every 40-50h.
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I’m sure that does play a factor. The left sole is the one that wears out faster for me. There’s a certain amount of finagling that...
I’m sure that does play a factor. The left sole is the one that wears out faster for me. There’s a certain amount of finagling that must be done to get a size 13 Tech 10 beneath the shifter. Being 6’2” 200 lbs plus isn’t easy on any sole.
I disagree.
Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast.
I wear SG12's and have over 25 hours on them. You can barely see any wear at all. And I don't ride on the balls of my feet near as much as I should.

Have you not noticed everytime there's a thread about premature boot wear, 99% of the time it's about AS?
It's obvious they have a wear issue.
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Indy mxer wrote:
I disagree. Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast. I...
I disagree.
Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast.
I wear SG12's and have over 25 hours on them. You can barely see any wear at all. And I don't ride on the balls of my feet near as much as I should.

Have you not noticed everytime there's a thread about premature boot wear, 99% of the time it's about AS?
It's obvious they have a wear issue.
But what brand sells by far the most boots? When you sell wayyyyy more boots than everyone else you’re going to see more issues. But I always tell my customers that if your number one priority is your soles lasting years and years then buy the G’s. If you want the best feel and protection then Astars is pretty tough to beat.
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I found the inside of the boot that rubs on the frame was wearing faster than the bottoms but one or two good kicks on a kickstarter where your boot hits the peg will mess the sole up pretty quickly. I felt the newer soles stuck to the pegs almost too much. You definitely feel locked in at the sole. On the other hand a Sidi Atojo has decent peg grip and feels super locked in when you squeeze the bike.

The bigger problem for me was the boots feel sacked out pretty quickly, and my foot felt loose in the boots. I think that is more of a fit issue for me though and people with wider feet probably don't have this issue.
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Mr. Afterbar 9/14/2021 6:21am
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EV901 wrote:
Biggest problem you guys have is not the wear on the boots, but where your feet are placed. Riding on the heels and rotating your feet...
Biggest problem you guys have is not the wear on the boots, but where your feet are placed. Riding on the heels and rotating your feet in and out not to hit gear/brake lever, you just grind the shit out of them.

If you were to ride on the balls of your feet, boots would last 2-3x longer. Because you are constantly lifting your feet not just grinding them with the in and out movement + there seems to be more material by the toes also.

I ride Tech 10s, Ti pegs and before I manage to go through the soles, I just switch them out for new colorways - so every 40-50h.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
I’m sure that does play a factor. The left sole is the one that wears out faster for me. There’s a certain amount of finagling that...
I’m sure that does play a factor. The left sole is the one that wears out faster for me. There’s a certain amount of finagling that must be done to get a size 13 Tech 10 beneath the shifter. Being 6’2” 200 lbs plus isn’t easy on any sole.
Indy mxer wrote:
I disagree. Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast. I...
I disagree.
Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast.
I wear SG12's and have over 25 hours on them. You can barely see any wear at all. And I don't ride on the balls of my feet near as much as I should.

Have you not noticed everytime there's a thread about premature boot wear, 99% of the time it's about AS?
It's obvious they have a wear issue.
Totally agree on the fact they shouldn’t wear out that fast no matter the foot position.
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I have 2 sets of Gaerne”s I rotate back & forth to be resoled…. My left boot sole wears out in about 20 hrs use, Yes, I ride on my arches more than I should… The basics are always a work in progress…
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RCMXracing wrote:
Y’all wanna be pro’s with your razor blade 300 dolla Ti pegs. 🙄
my riding bud was pushing his bike out the door in shorts and ripped his leg open on his 300.00 Ti shark jaws sunday am and then called to say he wasn't gonna show.
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
I’m sure that does play a factor. The left sole is the one that wears out faster for me. There’s a certain amount of finagling that...
I’m sure that does play a factor. The left sole is the one that wears out faster for me. There’s a certain amount of finagling that must be done to get a size 13 Tech 10 beneath the shifter. Being 6’2” 200 lbs plus isn’t easy on any sole.
Indy mxer wrote:
I disagree. Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast. I...
I disagree.
Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast.
I wear SG12's and have over 25 hours on them. You can barely see any wear at all. And I don't ride on the balls of my feet near as much as I should.

Have you not noticed everytime there's a thread about premature boot wear, 99% of the time it's about AS?
It's obvious they have a wear issue.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Totally agree on the fact they shouldn’t wear out that fast no matter the foot position.
But explain the fact that by 40-50 hour mark I have minimal wear on my soles? Being on balls of the feet, riding a 250f, so I have to shift a lot + Ti pegs, so I do quite a bit of moving around on those sharp sons of a bitches.

Yet guys riding on their heels go through soles in 10 hours. If you use 30% of the sole then it is gonna wear out quicker, rather than working with/moving around on 70% of the sole area. So it definitely matters if you think about it.
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Indy mxer wrote:
I disagree. Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast. I...
I disagree.
Foot position has nothing to do with boot wear. No matter where you ride on the pegs they shouldn't wear out that fast.
I wear SG12's and have over 25 hours on them. You can barely see any wear at all. And I don't ride on the balls of my feet near as much as I should.

Have you not noticed everytime there's a thread about premature boot wear, 99% of the time it's about AS?
It's obvious they have a wear issue.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Totally agree on the fact they shouldn’t wear out that fast no matter the foot position.
EV901 wrote:
But explain the fact that by 40-50 hour mark I have minimal wear on my soles? Being on balls of the feet, riding a 250f, so...
But explain the fact that by 40-50 hour mark I have minimal wear on my soles? Being on balls of the feet, riding a 250f, so I have to shift a lot + Ti pegs, so I do quite a bit of moving around on those sharp sons of a bitches.

Yet guys riding on their heels go through soles in 10 hours. If you use 30% of the sole then it is gonna wear out quicker, rather than working with/moving around on 70% of the sole area. So it definitely matters if you think about it.
I would think riding on your arches through impacts puts a lot more stress on the boot than riding on the balls of your feet. It isn’t just your body that loses the cushion of you ankle movement it is also the boots and pegs.
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Mr. Afterbar 9/14/2021 6:51am
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EV901 wrote:
But explain the fact that by 40-50 hour mark I have minimal wear on my soles? Being on balls of the feet, riding a 250f, so...
But explain the fact that by 40-50 hour mark I have minimal wear on my soles? Being on balls of the feet, riding a 250f, so I have to shift a lot + Ti pegs, so I do quite a bit of moving around on those sharp sons of a bitches.

Yet guys riding on their heels go through soles in 10 hours. If you use 30% of the sole then it is gonna wear out quicker, rather than working with/moving around on 70% of the sole area. So it definitely matters if you think about it.
How big are you and what’s your riding level? Not saying you are wrong, but there is no excuse for the soles wearing out that fast in any case. I don’t ride on my heels by the way. Most of that wear comes from weighting the foot pegs while cornering or leaning while standing in my opinion. I’m not trying to get into an argument about why my boots wear more than yours. In my opinion, it’s unacceptable. If you disagree, that’s fine.
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Kyle978 9/14/2021 7:01am
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EV901 wrote:
But explain the fact that by 40-50 hour mark I have minimal wear on my soles? Being on balls of the feet, riding a 250f, so...
But explain the fact that by 40-50 hour mark I have minimal wear on my soles? Being on balls of the feet, riding a 250f, so I have to shift a lot + Ti pegs, so I do quite a bit of moving around on those sharp sons of a bitches.

Yet guys riding on their heels go through soles in 10 hours. If you use 30% of the sole then it is gonna wear out quicker, rather than working with/moving around on 70% of the sole area. So it definitely matters if you think about it.
I have been trained by Ryno, Justin Buckelew, Sebastian Tortelli/Rick Johnson and others since I was 12 years old. I am 31 now. I know where to put my feet.

Having holes in your sole after 20 hours of use on stock ‘21 KX450 pegs is not normal. I have been wearing tech 10’s since 2005, they didn’t used to wear like this. I have a pair from 2016 in my garage with 50+ hours and they are in much better shape than my 2021 pair with 8 hours on them.
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Roostermx58 9/14/2021 7:46am
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Kyle978 wrote:
Interesting. I bought a pair of the 2021 black/white, soles were smoked after 20ish hours. I just sent them to factoryresole.com to have Sidi soles installed...
Interesting.

I bought a pair of the 2021 black/white, soles were smoked after 20ish hours. I just sent them to factoryresole.com to have Sidi soles installed. Hopefully can get proper life out of that pair.

Bought a pair of the new AMS Limited Edition Tech 10's so I am not without boots while the others get done up. I wonder if they have this supposed new sole installed? I'll be keeping track of my hours to compare between the others.

Anyone know if those latest LE's have a new sole?

Thanks!
Yes, the boots that you purchased will have the updated sole. The previous sole wasn't sold for too long before the pros were using a different sole and now that sole is on all the boots.
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Roostermx58 9/14/2021 8:10am
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hubbardmx50 wrote:
I hope this is true. Anything is better than these, I swear they’re made out of gummy bears. Sole in left boot was replaced in April...
I hope this is true. Anything is better than these, I swear they’re made out of gummy bears. Sole in left boot was replaced in April after only 3 months of riding and now I’m almost down to the base again. Other than the soles I absolutely love the boots, 2021 model.



Those are actually the new soles Sad
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
How big are you and what’s your riding level? Not saying you are wrong, but there is no excuse for the soles wearing out that fast...
How big are you and what’s your riding level? Not saying you are wrong, but there is no excuse for the soles wearing out that fast in any case. I don’t ride on my heels by the way. Most of that wear comes from weighting the foot pegs while cornering or leaning while standing in my opinion. I’m not trying to get into an argument about why my boots wear more than yours. In my opinion, it’s unacceptable. If you disagree, that’s fine.
Good question about weight and I didn’t really think about that. I’m about 160 lbs so it probably makes sense that they last for me but if someone is 250 they will likely blow through them way faster.
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Real Dirt Bike boots are Made In Italy.
Alpine stars have been made in Chy-Na for years.
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So I agree with the comments about foot placement accelerating wear - but it’s pretty clear that even poor foot placement on other brands doesn’t lead to wear like with the alpinestars.

I ruined a set of alpinestars in half a season and have a full season on my sidi atojos and they look 10x less wear with twice the time on them.

I might throw a new set of soles on them once the seasons over. But only because that’s $30 and 10 minutes with a screw driver on sidis.
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wrc777 9/14/2021 8:52am
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TeamFlannel wrote:
Real Dirt Bike boots are Made In Italy.
Alpine stars have been made in Chy-Na for years.
Tech10 are made in Croatia. Tech 7 in Thailand I think. It isn’t a manufacturing issue either.
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duboiz 9/14/2021 9:01am
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I emailed Alpinestars about the low durability of the Tech 10. They replied.. [i]There has been an update to the materials used recently in the Tech...
I emailed Alpinestars about the low durability of the Tech 10. They replied..

There has been an update to the materials used recently in the Tech 10 boots. In particular, the Tech 10 boots now have a different sole on them.

Can anyone vouch for this? They never said when this update took place, but just sent an email asking.

Just got an email from Alpinestars. They said that the boot received changes to the soles and other materials, August 2021.

Anyone with a NEW NEW pair have photos of their soles?
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crowe660 wrote:
Stop looking at the bottom of your boots.
When you drop six racks on boots and notice chunks missing one day at the track, you'll be looking at them too. And as far as the TI pegs go, I don't have any. I run the old Fastway Evo 3 pegs with super tame cleats. So I expect longer life out of my boots.
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Spooner wrote:
Good question about weight and I didn’t really think about that. I’m about 160 lbs so it probably makes sense that they last for me but...
Good question about weight and I didn’t really think about that. I’m about 160 lbs so it probably makes sense that they last for me but if someone is 250 they will likely blow through them way faster.
I’m 205 lbs +30 A MX’er. My feet are also at more of an angle than a shorter rider due to having to bend my knees further being taller. I’m sure that all plays a factor. Also looks like you’re an off road guy. Having done plenty of off road as well, I’m confident MX is tougher on soles. I just want boots that I don’t have to be without every 1-2 months while being resoled at $200+ a pop when they are $600 to begin with. I think the Sidi Crossfire 3 is that boot for me.
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I’m 205 lbs +30 A MX’er. My feet are also at more of an angle than a shorter rider due to having to bend my knees...
I’m 205 lbs +30 A MX’er. My feet are also at more of an angle than a shorter rider due to having to bend my knees further being taller. I’m sure that all plays a factor. Also looks like you’re an off road guy. Having done plenty of off road as well, I’m confident MX is tougher on soles. I just want boots that I don’t have to be without every 1-2 months while being resoled at $200+ a pop when they are $600 to begin with. I think the Sidi Crossfire 3 is that boot for me.
Go with the atojo. I’ve had both and the atojo is a more protective boot.
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I’m 205 lbs +30 A MX’er. My feet are also at more of an angle than a shorter rider due to having to bend my knees...
I’m 205 lbs +30 A MX’er. My feet are also at more of an angle than a shorter rider due to having to bend my knees further being taller. I’m sure that all plays a factor. Also looks like you’re an off road guy. Having done plenty of off road as well, I’m confident MX is tougher on soles. I just want boots that I don’t have to be without every 1-2 months while being resoled at $200+ a pop when they are $600 to begin with. I think the Sidi Crossfire 3 is that boot for me.
yz133rider wrote:
Go with the atojo. I’ve had both and the atojo is a more protective boot.
Too late unfortunately, but thanks for the tip. Being a size 13 in everything for almost 20 years, I was skeptical about Sidi only offering a 12.5 as their largest size. Very happy to say they fit well. Ankles are a bit snug, but I can live with it.
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My tech 7’s with probably 40 hours on them are still in good shape. I’ve never gotten any of those sharky aftermarket pegs though. I’ve never felt the need to stick myself to the bike that hard. Squeeze the bike with your legs when you need to hold on tight.
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I’m 205 lbs +30 A MX’er. My feet are also at more of an angle than a shorter rider due to having to bend my knees...
I’m 205 lbs +30 A MX’er. My feet are also at more of an angle than a shorter rider due to having to bend my knees further being taller. I’m sure that all plays a factor. Also looks like you’re an off road guy. Having done plenty of off road as well, I’m confident MX is tougher on soles. I just want boots that I don’t have to be without every 1-2 months while being resoled at $200+ a pop when they are $600 to begin with. I think the Sidi Crossfire 3 is that boot for me.
yz133rider wrote:
Go with the atojo. I’ve had both and the atojo is a more protective boot.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Too late unfortunately, but thanks for the tip. Being a size 13 in everything for almost 20 years, I was skeptical about Sidi only offering a...
Too late unfortunately, but thanks for the tip. Being a size 13 in everything for almost 20 years, I was skeptical about Sidi only offering a 12.5 as their largest size. Very happy to say they fit well. Ankles are a bit snug, but I can live with it.
If you don’t have a lot of time on them the ankles do loosen up a little.
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wrc777 wrote:
If you don’t have a lot of time on them the ankles do loosen up a little.
Good to hear. No issues while riding, but I could feel it wearing my boots all day at a race. I usually take them off between motos, but it was only 70⁰ this past weekend.
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wrc777 9/14/2021 1:57pm
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wrc777 wrote:
If you don’t have a lot of time on them the ankles do loosen up a little.
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Good to hear. No issues while riding, but I could feel it wearing my boots all day at a race. I usually take them off between...
Good to hear. No issues while riding, but I could feel it wearing my boots all day at a race. I usually take them off between motos, but it was only 70⁰ this past weekend.
Same here. Cf3 and Atojo were fine on bike right out of the box but not great walking around or even sitting. It takes hours of riding to get that part fully broken in. Other than that there is not really any break in of the boot.
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crowe660 wrote:
Stop looking at the bottom of your boots.
hubbardmx50 wrote:
When you drop six racks on boots and notice chunks missing one day at the track, you'll be looking at them too. And as far as...
When you drop six racks on boots and notice chunks missing one day at the track, you'll be looking at them too. And as far as the TI pegs go, I don't have any. I run the old Fastway Evo 3 pegs with super tame cleats. So I expect longer life out of my boots.
Right there with you man, mine are only Tech 7's but my last pair lasted two years and this pair I literally pulled a 3/8" chunk off it at the track after a few easy days, pissed right off, Gaerne next time for sure.
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