What happened to "The Gear Industry is over-saturated"?

sandman768
Profile picture for user sandman768
Posts
7952
Joined
3/21/2014
Location
Saratoga Springs, NY US
sandman768 9/1/2021 3:06pm
9/1/2021 3:06pm
LungButter wrote:
Just buy some Mechanix Wear gloves. Half the price, 5x the durability. You're welcome. *This advice does not apply if you need to be trendy and...
Just buy some Mechanix Wear gloves. Half the price, 5x the durability.

You're welcome.

*This advice does not apply if you need to be trendy and have every piece of gear perfectly match*
Good idea, I will give this a try…probably sell these at Walmart👍
1
Spooner
Profile picture for user Spooner
Posts
2439
Joined
1/8/2011
Location
Kansas City, MO US
Spooner 9/1/2021 5:19pm
9/1/2021 5:19pm
sandman768 wrote:
While we are on the subject of gear… how about somebody make a pair of gloves that last a couple motos….not sure if my hands have...
While we are on the subject of gear… how about somebody make a pair of gloves that last a couple motos….not sure if my hands have grown to giant size but every glove I try on is tight, I have to order XX large just to get them on …
Alpinestars Techstar gloves wear like iron and fit better than any glove I've tried. And I've tried a ton of gloves.
crt32
Profile picture for user crt32
Posts
951
Joined
4/20/2015
Location
Oklahoma City, OK US
crt32 9/1/2021 5:53pm
9/1/2021 5:53pm
Thought I read somewhere FXR has most revenue of any gear company because they have snow line too or something; cant remember exact details.
2
emohteeoh
Profile picture for user emohteeoh
Posts
67
Joined
5/27/2016
Location
Los Angeles, CA US
emohteeoh 9/1/2021 6:56pm
9/1/2021 6:56pm
I’m just waiting for Sinisalo to make a comeback.
7

The Shop

See All »
TeamGreen
Profile picture for user TeamGreen
Posts
36661
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA US
TeamGreen 9/1/2021 6:58pm
9/1/2021 6:58pm
HonDawg17 wrote:
Remember One Industries, Alias MX, & No Fear,. They had to fold because of "too many gear companies". Well here we are again a few years...
Remember One Industries, Alias MX, & No Fear,. They had to fold because of "too many gear companies". Well here we are again a few years and Leatt adds itself to the list now? I'm pretty sure the industry has added over 6 companies in the last 10 years. Is history going to repeat itself and multiple companies crumble soon? I think more than the main 5 companies was too much extra bs out there.

The only companies people currently remember:
Fox, Thor, Troy Lee Designs, Alpinestars, Seven MX

The rest are junk.
Well, you are a bit off in your historical references.

1st off: James's Seven MX is one of those brands that came along in the last 10 years & I'm a fan of what he has done with that brand.

From their web-site: THE BRAND Seven – The next level in athletic performance. Founded by American athlete James Stewart in 2013 to take athlete apparel and protection to heights never before reached. (Hi Roger! Wink )

Uh, dude, Alpinstars gear? Hello? Johnny come Lately? Boots...sure...for years! Btw, the new 10s are awful. But, that gear is VERY "new".

2nd: "Why" or the actual cause/causes for those other brands failing is far from the reason you're claiming. Yup, you are WAY OFF on that, too.

3rd: Some of the most popular brands that people "remember"...? (People that actually "remember" the legacy brands)
JT
Yoko
Fox
Sinasalo
Answer
AXO

4th: Your list of gear co's that are relevant (implied) is also waaaaaay off.
So, let's go with what I think you are REALLY trying to say...
"Gear brands that people KNOW" & without the stupidity of your "the others are junk" comment:

Troy Lee Designs (the gear I wear; because, when a man wears gear, a man wears TLD)
Fox
Fly
Thor
O'Neal
ShiftMX
FXR (Canadian Sno-Sled brand that''s been doing a lot in MX lately)
Astar
Seven
Leatt
FastHouse
MSR (An RMATVMC house-brand, now)
Answer
Moose Racing

What's that?
14? (And I'm sure I'm missing a few)

So, to recap: those other brands failed; because...well...they failed. Period. Shit happens. A LOT of companies fell after the financial ruin of the early 2Ks.
1
2
TeamGreen
Profile picture for user TeamGreen
Posts
36661
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA US
TeamGreen 9/1/2021 7:12pm
9/1/2021 7:12pm
Titan1 wrote:
Klim And if anyone wants solid vented gear…particularly, but not exclusively…for off road…Klims Mohave line is the best I’ve found. As vented as any gear on...
Klim


And if anyone wants solid vented gear…particularly, but not exclusively…for off road…Klims Mohave line is the best I’ve found. As vented as any gear on the market…but isn’t make of tissue paper like many of the more mainstream gear company’s vented gear. (And it’s basically the same price).
Uh, dude, we're talkin' Moto, here!
Silly
Just got an Adventure bike...of sorts: KLR 650 Adventure. I'll be rockin' TLD's new Scout Gear when I get my ass over there to pick it up!
1
TeamGreen
Profile picture for user TeamGreen
Posts
36661
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA US
TeamGreen 9/1/2021 7:15pm
9/1/2021 7:15pm
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Fox Thor Troy Lee Designs Alpinestars Seven MX Renen Oneal Leatt Fly Shift Answer FXR CanvasMX Fast House Here's a start...14 on the list so far...
Fox
Thor
Troy Lee Designs
Alpinestars
Seven MX
Renen
Oneal
Leatt
Fly
Shift
Answer
FXR
CanvasMX
Fast House

Here's a start...14 on the list so far. Cut/Paste this and add to it because I know we are missing some.
All I had to do was read your list...?

DOH!
zippytech
Profile picture for user zippytech
Posts
1483
Joined
9/8/2018
Location
Bethesda, OH US
zippytech 9/1/2021 7:19pm
9/1/2021 7:19pm
I Think it's going to happen with all the bike manufacturers wait till there are 20 KTMS..







Titan1
Profile picture for user Titan1
Posts
9407
Joined
2/3/2010
Location
Lehi, UT US
Titan1 9/1/2021 7:38pm
9/1/2021 7:38pm
Titan1 wrote:
Klim And if anyone wants solid vented gear…particularly, but not exclusively…for off road…Klims Mohave line is the best I’ve found. As vented as any gear on...
Klim


And if anyone wants solid vented gear…particularly, but not exclusively…for off road…Klims Mohave line is the best I’ve found. As vented as any gear on the market…but isn’t make of tissue paper like many of the more mainstream gear company’s vented gear. (And it’s basically the same price).
TeamGreen wrote:
Uh, dude, we're talkin' Moto, here! :silly: Just got an Adventure bike...of sorts: KLR 650 Adventure. I'll be rockin' TLD's new Scout Gear when I get...
Uh, dude, we're talkin' Moto, here!
Silly
Just got an Adventure bike...of sorts: KLR 650 Adventure. I'll be rockin' TLD's new Scout Gear when I get my ass over there to pick it up!
Yeah, yeah…you and your TLD gear. 😂

And that KLR is as adventure as they come…as soon as I get tired (too old) of trying to go fast on dirt bikes, Adventure riding is in my future…and a KLR will be my first adventure bike…and I get more excited about that chapter of my life every year.
TeamGreen
Profile picture for user TeamGreen
Posts
36661
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA US
TeamGreen 9/1/2021 8:05pm
9/1/2021 8:05pm
Titan1 wrote:
Klim And if anyone wants solid vented gear…particularly, but not exclusively…for off road…Klims Mohave line is the best I’ve found. As vented as any gear on...
Klim


And if anyone wants solid vented gear…particularly, but not exclusively…for off road…Klims Mohave line is the best I’ve found. As vented as any gear on the market…but isn’t make of tissue paper like many of the more mainstream gear company’s vented gear. (And it’s basically the same price).
TeamGreen wrote:
Uh, dude, we're talkin' Moto, here! :silly: Just got an Adventure bike...of sorts: KLR 650 Adventure. I'll be rockin' TLD's new Scout Gear when I get...
Uh, dude, we're talkin' Moto, here!
Silly
Just got an Adventure bike...of sorts: KLR 650 Adventure. I'll be rockin' TLD's new Scout Gear when I get my ass over there to pick it up!
Titan1 wrote:
Yeah, yeah…you and your TLD gear. 😂 And that KLR is as adventure as they come…as soon as I get tired (too old) of trying to...
Yeah, yeah…you and your TLD gear. 😂

And that KLR is as adventure as they come…as soon as I get tired (too old) of trying to go fast on dirt bikes, Adventure riding is in my future…and a KLR will be my first adventure bike…and I get more excited about that chapter of my life every year.
I've gone over 90 mph off-roadtwice in the last few weeks...

1st: at the Vegas to Reno race on the XR650R...piece of cake. Hell, we won! (Over 50...old...slow...FUN!)

2nd: last Friday on my KLR up near Stonyford...Scary as FUXX!!!
The stock tires and suspension were a wallowing mess ESPECIALLY when decelerating from hi-speeds on gravely dirt roads goin' into turns...WHOA...she's A LOT of MASS wallowing & she requires a gentle touch. I've got some GoPro I need to download...Flat Tracking a bagger...INVOLUNTARILY...sort of...
Silly
So, the point, you "think" you're gonna slow down on an Adventure bike, right? Well...uh...
Good Luck With That!
Grinning
1
Titan1
Profile picture for user Titan1
Posts
9407
Joined
2/3/2010
Location
Lehi, UT US
Titan1 9/1/2021 8:23pm
9/1/2021 8:23pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2021 8:26pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Uh, dude, we're talkin' Moto, here! :silly: Just got an Adventure bike...of sorts: KLR 650 Adventure. I'll be rockin' TLD's new Scout Gear when I get...
Uh, dude, we're talkin' Moto, here!
Silly
Just got an Adventure bike...of sorts: KLR 650 Adventure. I'll be rockin' TLD's new Scout Gear when I get my ass over there to pick it up!
Titan1 wrote:
Yeah, yeah…you and your TLD gear. 😂 And that KLR is as adventure as they come…as soon as I get tired (too old) of trying to...
Yeah, yeah…you and your TLD gear. 😂

And that KLR is as adventure as they come…as soon as I get tired (too old) of trying to go fast on dirt bikes, Adventure riding is in my future…and a KLR will be my first adventure bike…and I get more excited about that chapter of my life every year.
TeamGreen wrote:
I've gone over 90 mph off-roadtwice in the last few weeks... 1st: at the Vegas to Reno race on the XR650R...piece of cake. Hell, we won...
I've gone over 90 mph off-roadtwice in the last few weeks...

1st: at the Vegas to Reno race on the XR650R...piece of cake. Hell, we won! (Over 50...old...slow...FUN!)

2nd: last Friday on my KLR up near Stonyford...Scary as FUXX!!!
The stock tires and suspension were a wallowing mess ESPECIALLY when decelerating from hi-speeds on gravely dirt roads goin' into turns...WHOA...she's A LOT of MASS wallowing & she requires a gentle touch. I've got some GoPro I need to download...Flat Tracking a bagger...INVOLUNTARILY...sort of...
Silly
So, the point, you "think" you're gonna slow down on an Adventure bike, right? Well...uh...
Good Luck With That!
Grinning
Ha! And you make a valid point…Maybe I should have said “racing”…when I get tired (too old) of racing, an Adventure bike is in my future. Lots of high speed fun to be had on an adventure bike.
66TR66
Profile picture for user 66TR66
Posts
263
Joined
8/26/2020
Location
AU
66TR66 9/1/2021 9:41pm
9/1/2021 9:41pm
A couple from Australia:
Intent
Underclass (Perth based0Cool
Tonynz
Profile picture for user Tonynz
Posts
846
Joined
9/21/2014
Location
NZ
Tonynz 9/1/2021 10:05pm
9/1/2021 10:05pm
66TR66 wrote:
A couple from Australia:
Intent
Underclass (Perth based0Cool
I had a couple of “Go the Rat” vented jerseys around 1984-85, from Australia. Never had the pants.
1
TomC31
Profile picture for user TomC31
Posts
216
Joined
3/15/2017
Location
Temecula, CA US
TomC31 9/1/2021 11:02pm
9/1/2021 11:02pm
Speaking from experience from here in Australia, it is Atleast 15 year project to gain the trust and respect for your products and show your dedication to your product and the industry.
With my 2022 range being my 9th year here, each year we continue to develop the product function and fit, all the tiny details, I am very excited to release the new range in the coming weeks.
It also takes time for people to know and learn about the brand and that it is your full time job, not just a side hobby that could be gone soon.
It takes a long time and a lot of work, it’s incredibly rewarding getting to work with great riders and meet amazing families across Australia and the world!

I look forward to Australian Motocross, Supercross and off road racing hopefully resuming back in 2022 as it should !
TeamGreen
Profile picture for user TeamGreen
Posts
36661
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA US
TeamGreen 9/1/2021 11:32pm
9/1/2021 11:32pm
66TR66 wrote:
A couple from Australia:
Intent
Underclass (Perth based0Cool
Riding gear from The Far Side?
Cool!
66TR66
Profile picture for user 66TR66
Posts
263
Joined
8/26/2020
Location
AU
66TR66 9/2/2021 12:03am
9/2/2021 12:03am
66TR66 wrote:
A couple from Australia:
Intent
Underclass (Perth based0Cool
Tonynz wrote:
I had a couple of “Go the Rat” vented jerseys around 1984-85, from Australia. Never had the pants.
i think every racer in Australia wore Rat Racing even BMX riders.
Wish they would bring The Rat back.


KiwiBermRailer 9/2/2021 1:45am
9/2/2021 1:45am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Because the rest look terrible and are so cheaply made. Its a complete waste to have a new gear company again. If anything dump the newest...
Because the rest look terrible and are so cheaply made. Its a complete waste to have a new gear company again. If anything dump the newest 5 companies and bring back NO FEAR again. At least they made gear for a King.
I think the new FXR gear is rad!
2
ns503
Profile picture for user ns503
Posts
4555
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
NS Toolies CA
ns503 9/2/2021 3:15am
9/2/2021 3:15am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2021 3:16am
Fox
Thor
Troy Lee Designs
Alpinestars
Seven MX
Renen
Oneal
Leatt
Fly
Shift
Answer
FXR
CanvasMX
Fast House

SHOT
Kenny
UFO
Acerbis
Yoko

Callus Moto -Check it out. Seriously.
1

Pit Row

See All »
ts17
Profile picture for user ts17
Posts
19
Joined
1/19/2020
Location
GB
ts17 9/2/2021 3:31am
9/2/2021 3:31am
CanvasMX will be the one that never dies out because they can do what the “normal gear company” can’t… fully customisable gear either via their design configurator on the website or there in house designer… plus the new canvas range is dropping very soon.
2
2
AH387
Profile picture for user AH387
Posts
1624
Joined
8/29/2019
Location
Bridgeville, PA US
AH387 9/2/2021 4:50am
9/2/2021 4:50am
2 local guys that run most of the Nationals are running local-based brands AM and TrueMX.
1
Tuzzo123
Profile picture for user Tuzzo123
Posts
320
Joined
8/16/2016
Location
Saginaw, MI US
Tuzzo123 9/2/2021 6:44am
9/2/2021 6:44am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Remember One Industries, Alias MX, & No Fear,. They had to fold because of "too many gear companies". Well here we are again a few years...
Remember One Industries, Alias MX, & No Fear,. They had to fold because of "too many gear companies". Well here we are again a few years and Leatt adds itself to the list now? I'm pretty sure the industry has added over 6 companies in the last 10 years. Is history going to repeat itself and multiple companies crumble soon? I think more than the main 5 companies was too much extra bs out there.

The only companies people currently remember:
Fox, Thor, Troy Lee Designs, Alpinestars, Seven MX

The rest are junk.
O'neal, Fly, what about those?
Cole_Ughetti 9/2/2021 6:49am
9/2/2021 6:49am
Dirty Points wrote:
The OP states that No Fear and Alias folded due to "too many companies", an example that seems to reject its own premise. Since Alias and...
The OP states that No Fear and Alias folded due to "too many companies", an example that seems to reject its own premise. Since Alias and No Fear gear were both operated by Jeff Surwall, it naturally follows that if No Fear folded due to "too many companies", he wouldn't have opened the next.
Grondahl was Alias
Rickyisms 9/2/2021 7:06am
9/2/2021 7:06am
crt32 wrote:
Thought I read somewhere FXR has most revenue of any gear company because they have snow line too or something; cant remember exact details.
I see FXR all over our local tracks now, I don't know about highest revenue (Gotta be Fox) but FXR is up there. I haven't been a huge fan of their designs, but the gear is really well made and Keefer's line looked really good. Seems like FXR pumps a good amount of money into various moto media so they're cool in my book, if the designs suited my taste better than I would have no problem giving them my money.
4
Black Diesel Bomber 9/2/2021 9:30am
9/2/2021 9:30am
I'm sure there's a few more but this is quite the list of gear options in 2021:

Fox
Thor
Troy Lee Designs
Alpinestars
Seven MX
Renen
Oneal
Leatt
Fly
Shift
Answer
FXR
CanvasMX
Fasthouse
Moose Racing
MSR
Callus Moto
AM
TrueMX
Moto XXX

SHOT
Kenny
UFO
Acerbis
Yoko

1
AH387
Profile picture for user AH387
Posts
1624
Joined
8/29/2019
Location
Bridgeville, PA US
AH387 9/2/2021 10:00am
9/2/2021 10:00am
Another thing I would like to mention, that perhaps the OP is over-looking....A lot of the smaller companies are doing a lot for the privateers and lower level racers. They might not have the bank to fund a Factory team effort or a big name guy, but their efforts are sometimes going to helping out the guys who are struggling to make it to the races. And I think it is cool when some of the lesser-known brands target that area of the sport. Everything helps. So like mentioned by many people in this thread, it is good to have options and different brands doing different things.
2
Travis707
Profile picture for user Travis707
Posts
237
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
AZ US
Travis707 9/2/2021 10:15am
9/2/2021 10:15am
Dirty Points wrote:
The OP states that No Fear and Alias folded due to "too many companies", an example that seems to reject its own premise. Since Alias and...
The OP states that No Fear and Alias folded due to "too many companies", an example that seems to reject its own premise. Since Alias and No Fear gear were both operated by Jeff Surwall, it naturally follows that if No Fear folded due to "too many companies", he wouldn't have opened the next.
Cole_Ughetti wrote:
Grondahl was Alias
Surwall started Alias
1
FreshTopEnd
Profile picture for user FreshTopEnd
Posts
13031
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Sacramento, CA US
FreshTopEnd 9/2/2021 10:27am
9/2/2021 10:27am
All I know is that as big a Fox guy as I am that No Fear stuff in the early to mid 2000s was pretty awesome stuff, visually anyway.
2
Robbirob25
Profile picture for user Robbirob25
Posts
404
Joined
11/19/2007
Location
Fort Wayne, IN US
Robbirob25 9/2/2021 10:29am
9/2/2021 10:29am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Because the rest look terrible and are so cheaply made. Its a complete waste to have a new gear company again. If anything dump the newest...
Because the rest look terrible and are so cheaply made. Its a complete waste to have a new gear company again. If anything dump the newest 5 companies and bring back NO FEAR again. At least they made gear for a King.
Alias Gear was Legit, and it lasted... It was most likely their "Direct to Customer", that was most likely the cause of their demise. When no one is pushing your gear except for your website, it makes things much more difficult. No dealers could carry the product, and no "Tucker Rocky's", "Parts Unlimited" or "WPS", pushing your product...

Just my 2 cents, but I loved, and still have a lot of the gear...
RobbiRob
1
bultokid
Profile picture for user bultokid
Posts
2132
Joined
8/13/2007
Location
Houston, TX US
bultokid 9/2/2021 10:45am
9/2/2021 10:45am
TLD all day long, love it been wearing it for moons...but..I also am still wearing AXO vented Trans-AM gear, the stuff last forever it seems
1

Post a reply to: What happened to "The Gear Industry is over-saturated"?