Premier Class? 250 Fastest at Budds Creek

byke wrote:

I'd like to think that the times are close enough that we can agree that displacement doesn't really matter.

DonM wrote:

Until they race against each other…..450’s consistently run faster avg lap times on rougher tracks than the 250’s…even with all those 250’s running those faster laps...

Until they race against each other…..450’s consistently run faster avg lap times on rougher tracks than the 250’s…even with all those 250’s running those faster laps on a completely smooth track the 450’s ran 19 laps to their 18 because they reached the finish line before the 30 mins ran out and the 250’s didn’t….

Johnny Depp wrote:

Even DW15's best lap was 5 seconds off of the fastest pace and he was top 10. Sometimes pulling back the curtain and exposing the truth...

Even DW15's best lap was 5 seconds off of the fastest pace and he was top 10.

Sometimes pulling back the curtain and exposing the truth is needed.

DonM wrote:

Truth? The truth is that one lap out of 18, or in the case of the first 450 moto, 19 laps doesn’t mean a damn thing...

Truth? The truth is that one lap out of 18, or in the case of the first 450 moto, 19 laps doesn’t mean a damn thing ( the 450’s ran 19 laps because, shocker, they were faster). The 450’s are always on a rougher track as I’ve stated previously the average lap times tell the true story.
So you think we should have just one premiere class because a few 250 riders, on a much smoother track, at one race, ran a faster lap time? Of course at Unadilla where the 450’s ran first Roczen ran a fast lap of 2:19 while Cooper ran a fast lap of 2:23….Well there goes that theory…
Not to mention your idea of having one premier class would cause fewer factory rides, fewer 2nd tier support rides and would actually hurt more than help the sport.
I can’t wait to hear your explanation on how this would actually help the sport….

Johnny Depp wrote:

DonM wrote: I can’t wait to hear your explanation on how this would actually help the sport…. Triple Crowns and MXoN are some of the best...

DonM wrote: I can’t wait to hear your explanation on how this would actually help the sport….

Triple Crowns and MXoN are some of the best entertainment out there for a fan. MXoN has always mixed up bike sizes, and there have been many surprises over the years, some still talked about as legend. This sport is about entertainment, not a jobs program.

DonM wrote:

Ok....so you are fine with fewer people making money or having rides for entertainments sake...This is how you kill the sport not grow it...It may be...

Ok....so you are fine with fewer people making money or having rides for entertainments sake...This is how you kill the sport not grow it...It may be about entertainment to you but I can guarantee that there are many riders making a living off this sport that they put their heart and soul into that will tell that the show is secondary to them making money.


Again how many triple crowns were there this year? How many are on the schedule next year? The answers will tell you how the riders and teams truly felt about them.

Johnny Depp wrote:

Fastest riders in 1 class doesn’t mean fire everyone.

DonM wrote:

Ok....so you are fine with fewer people making money or having rides for entertainments sake...This is how you kill the sport not grow it...It may be...

Ok....so you are fine with fewer people making money or having rides for entertainments sake...This is how you kill the sport not grow it...It may be about entertainment to you but I can guarantee that there are many riders making a living off this sport that they put their heart and soul into that will tell that the show is secondary to them making money.


Again how many triple crowns were there this year? How many are on the schedule next year? The answers will tell you how the riders and teams truly felt about them.

Johnny Depp wrote:

Fastest riders in 1 class doesn’t mean fire everyone.

DonM wrote:

Ok....so you are fine with fewer people making money or having rides for entertainments sake...This is how you kill the sport not grow it...It may be...

Ok....so you are fine with fewer people making money or having rides for entertainments sake...This is how you kill the sport not grow it...It may be about entertainment to you but I can guarantee that there are many riders making a living off this sport that they put their heart and soul into that will tell that the show is secondary to them making money.


Again how many triple crowns were there this year? How many are on the schedule next year? The answers will tell you how the riders and teams truly felt about them.

Johnny Depp wrote:

Fastest riders in 1 class doesn’t mean fire everyone.

DonM wrote:

Riiiight....How so? do you really think that Star would keep all their riders if their was only one premiere class? What about Pro-Circuit? do you think...

Riiiight....How so? do you really think that Star would keep all their riders if their was only one premiere class? What about Pro-Circuit? do you think Kawi would still support them? What will guys like Savatgy or Bogle or Deano or many others when you take two classes and combine the talent into one? You're nuts if you think that will work and not cost any jobs....many of the mechanics and support people will also be without jobs...please explain how in your plan people don't lose jobs and rides...

Johnny Depp wrote:

DF14 does the quad and isn't in the top 9.

The fastest Austrian bike was RJ.

kunk wrote:

It was actually the privateer. Ty Masterpool that was the fastest on an Austrian bike.

Johnny Depp wrote:

Good catch, my bad. Where would you put him in a combined class? Seems like he deserves a factory seat?

GrapeApe wrote:

Dude do you have no pride? Thread after thread, post after post, you are made to look like an illiterate fool, yet you just move on...

Dude do you have no pride? Thread after thread, post after post, you are made to look like an illiterate fool, yet you just move on and double down on your idiocy. Put down the keyboard, walk outside, breathe the fresh air, look at the sky, ride your Beta, you really need it.

Unfortunately the next thread will probably be "why does the sky have to be blue, it should be green"

Johnny Depp wrote:

Thanks for the bump!

The only green sky I ever saw was an F5 tornado, no thanks.

GrapeApe wrote:

You don't need my help with bumps, you bump your own threads all day every day just to get further abused. It's a weird ride you're...

You don't need my help with bumps, you bump your own threads all day every day just to get further abused. It's a weird ride you're on right now, but you really seem to be enjoying the attention.

Johnny Depp wrote:

Again, thanks. And yet like a moth to a flame...