Should we bring back the “first American” award?

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ZOBITO 8/15/2021 11:04am
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I've always felt for the guys who spent their whole career dealing with McGrath, Carmichael, Everts or Cairoli...
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ATKpilot99 8/15/2021 12:01pm
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What a fabulously ridiculous thread .
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CPR 8/15/2021 4:21pm
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CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
That’s like saying “take RC out of the results from 03-06and Chad has way more titles” no shit. But guess what? He was there and beat...
That’s like saying “take RC out of the results from 03-06and Chad has way more titles” no shit. But guess what? He was there and beat chads ass. Just like Eli has beat some ass since 2013.

Ken and Marv have been really good since they came over here, but you can’t just take Eli out of the equation. It’s stupid.
I agree fully with your anti ‘what if’ argument and the other sentiment that followed. That’s not what I was trying to say though.

The thread is ‘first American’ and America was defended by someone saying “ Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx”.
My reply was meant to point out one American in particular had been dominant in those titles and without him America hasn’t been dominant. That is; one individual was dominant, not one country. Obviously I didn’t express my opinion very clearly, but all good if people want to get their panties in a twist about it.

I actually think the whole Euro vs USA theme is pretty pointless, but it’s fun. Any opportunity to have some piss-taking banter is the Aussie way. We don’t get offended by it and often forget that others do.

The US was so dominant in moto for a long period and it’s exciting when the tables turn occasionally. That’s also good for the sport.
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Johnny Ringo 8/15/2021 4:25pm
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CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
That’s like saying “take RC out of the results from 03-06and Chad has way more titles” no shit. But guess what? He was there and beat...
That’s like saying “take RC out of the results from 03-06and Chad has way more titles” no shit. But guess what? He was there and beat chads ass. Just like Eli has beat some ass since 2013.

Ken and Marv have been really good since they came over here, but you can’t just take Eli out of the equation. It’s stupid.
CPR wrote:
I agree fully with your anti ‘what if’ argument and the other sentiment that followed. That’s not what I was trying to say though. The thread...
I agree fully with your anti ‘what if’ argument and the other sentiment that followed. That’s not what I was trying to say though.

The thread is ‘first American’ and America was defended by someone saying “ Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx”.
My reply was meant to point out one American in particular had been dominant in those titles and without him America hasn’t been dominant. That is; one individual was dominant, not one country. Obviously I didn’t express my opinion very clearly, but all good if people want to get their panties in a twist about it.

I actually think the whole Euro vs USA theme is pretty pointless, but it’s fun. Any opportunity to have some piss-taking banter is the Aussie way. We don’t get offended by it and often forget that others do.

The US was so dominant in moto for a long period and it’s exciting when the tables turn occasionally. That’s also good for the sport.
Thank you for the explanation but that is still an awful take
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CPR 8/15/2021 4:42pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Thank you for the explanation but that is still an awful take
Cool, you have your opinion and I have mine, all good.
Thankfully we’re not all the same.
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Roczen is more American than a lot of Americans these days..
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Brad460 wrote:
Roczen is more American than a lot of Americans these days..
His English is certainly better than many.
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moto111 8/15/2021 11:25pm
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This is an American National Championship. Not the World Series of Motocross.
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ZOBITO 8/16/2021 11:08am
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I'm really bad at remembering results from the past.
In modern days, were there full non american podiums and when?
I just can't remember...
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ZOBITO wrote:
I'm really bad at remembering results from the past.
In modern days, were there full non american podiums and when?
I just can't remember...
Just this past weekend.

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ZOBITO 8/16/2021 2:08pm
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I meant before that.
My Alzheimer ain't this bad.
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Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
And et3 wasn't even trying
crusty_xx 8/16/2021 2:29pm
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Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:
If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
7 in the last 5 years? Dizzy
From memory you'd have to go back all the way to 2011 to get to number 7.
Roczen has 3, DF has 3. Wilson in 2011 would be number 7. 5 of those are in the 250 class
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Johnny Ringo 8/16/2021 3:17pm
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CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
crusty_xx wrote:
7 in the last 5 years? :S From memory you'd have to go back all the way to 2011 to get to number 7. Roczen has...
7 in the last 5 years? Dizzy
From memory you'd have to go back all the way to 2011 to get to number 7.
Roczen has 3, DF has 3. Wilson in 2011 would be number 7. 5 of those are in the 250 class
If you take Eli out of his last 3 outdoor titles that gives Ken 2 and Marv 2....where are the other 3?
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mxb2 8/16/2021 3:34pm
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CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
crusty_xx wrote:
7 in the last 5 years? :S From memory you'd have to go back all the way to 2011 to get to number 7. Roczen has...
7 in the last 5 years? Dizzy
From memory you'd have to go back all the way to 2011 to get to number 7.
Roczen has 3, DF has 3. Wilson in 2011 would be number 7. 5 of those are in the 250 class
Johnny Ringo wrote:
If you take Eli out of his last 3 outdoor titles that gives Ken 2 and Marv 2....where are the other 3?
What. Usa titles did marv win, and a sx regional doesnt count
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crusty_xx 8/16/2021 4:19pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
If you take Eli out of his last 3 outdoor titles that gives Ken 2 and Marv 2....where are the other 3?
I was counting 450 and 250 MX and SX, forgot to include Marvin's title. He only has one 250 SX title. Regional though
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aeffertz 8/16/2021 5:32pm
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CPR wrote:
I agree fully with your anti ‘what if’ argument and the other sentiment that followed. That’s not what I was trying to say though. The thread...
I agree fully with your anti ‘what if’ argument and the other sentiment that followed. That’s not what I was trying to say though.

The thread is ‘first American’ and America was defended by someone saying “ Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx”.
My reply was meant to point out one American in particular had been dominant in those titles and without him America hasn’t been dominant. That is; one individual was dominant, not one country. Obviously I didn’t express my opinion very clearly, but all good if people want to get their panties in a twist about it.

I actually think the whole Euro vs USA theme is pretty pointless, but it’s fun. Any opportunity to have some piss-taking banter is the Aussie way. We don’t get offended by it and often forget that others do.

The US was so dominant in moto for a long period and it’s exciting when the tables turn occasionally. That’s also good for the sport.
Again mate, the Americans have more titles in your hypothetical even without Tomac. So how can you say he’s our saving grace?

You can’t cower out of the debate by saying “my panties are in a twist”, I’m just trying to prove what you are saying is factually incorrect.
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Johnny Ringo 8/16/2021 5:37pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
7 in the last 5 years? :S From memory you'd have to go back all the way to 2011 to get to number 7. Roczen has...
7 in the last 5 years? Dizzy
From memory you'd have to go back all the way to 2011 to get to number 7.
Roczen has 3, DF has 3. Wilson in 2011 would be number 7. 5 of those are in the 250 class
Johnny Ringo wrote:
If you take Eli out of his last 3 outdoor titles that gives Ken 2 and Marv 2....where are the other 3?
mxb2 wrote:
What. Usa titles did marv win, and a sx regional doesnt count
Marv hasn’t won any, I’m trying to decipher CPR’s whacked logic
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
If you take Eli out of his last 3 outdoor titles that gives Ken 2 and Marv 2....where are the other 3?
mxb2 wrote:
What. Usa titles did marv win, and a sx regional doesnt count
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Marv hasn’t won any, I’m trying to decipher CPR’s whacked logic
Exactly lol, he is just trying to downplay the usa champs.
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ZOBITO 8/16/2021 11:42pm
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ZOBITO wrote:
I'm really bad at remembering results from the past.
In modern days, were there full non american podiums and when?
I just can't remember...
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Just this past weekend.

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CPR 8/17/2021 3:21am
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Wow…..must have hit a nerve?

First off; “cowering” out of the argument? Ha you do realise the world doesn’t revolve around America??? There are different time zones….
Secondly, who would have thought that Americans have won more American titles than anyone else? Shocked!
Lastly, I was just taking a dig at ya’s because Americans haven’t been as dominant as they once were. That’s what the OP was saying, tongue in cheek. A bit of banter is fun! It’s fine if you don’t agree. Fine if I’m straight out wrong. Not fine if you don’t have a sense of humour.

It’s great to be patriotic, but you don’t need to be jerks about it. Lighten up, the rest of the world would appreciate that. We’re all here because we’re moto fans.
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motomike137 8/17/2021 2:45pm
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
What a fabulously ridiculous thread .
LOL. I'm old enough to know exactly what the OP is referring to Smile I remember when They made the rule about foreign riders not being able to win our National Championship because Pierre Karsmakers kicked everybody's ass the year before lol.

edit: read this
https://racerxonline.com/2018/04/21/30-greatest-ama-motocrossers-29-pie…
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
What a fabulously ridiculous thread .
Its peak Vital for sure.
Kortimus415 8/17/2021 4:48pm
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Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:
If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
Population of the World: 7,900,000,000
Population of Europe: 742,650,000 or 9.4%
Population of U.S.A: 328,239,523 or 4.2%
Little bit of a difference in talent pool size...
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