Pourcels Gate Jump clip

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BlockHead 6/29/2009 1:16am
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Pretty gnarly, he was lucky to even get over it, you can clearly see it go down, then hesitate for a split second, the try and...
Pretty gnarly, he was lucky to even get over it, you can clearly see it go down, then hesitate for a split second, the try and go back up. No wonder he was so pissed.




That was crazy.
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Alex 6/29/2009 3:11am
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I remember watching a GP in 06 and the FIM guys had a wheelbarrow of dirt they were using to cover what the gates would land on so it wouldnt bounce. Then they would string line it to see if any gates were high or low and then get the welding gear and grinder out if it was out. then they would test it a bunch. At the time I thought it looked a bit like officials making work to justify thier positions. I guess If Pourcell loses the championship by less than 10 points he might disasgree with me lol.
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J-law would have rode back to the pits after that and punched an eleven year old .
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Jack Flash 6/29/2009 4:37am
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That sucks for Pourcel, big time. Sometimes gates bounce when they fall, if the gate doesn't hit the dirt (dirt could be lower) and the gate...
That sucks for Pourcel, big time. Sometimes gates bounce when they fall, if the gate doesn't hit the dirt (dirt could be lower) and the gate bounces off the metal at the base of the start gate. If you look at the gate on the other side of the start house, it was bouncing also. So the dirt must have been lower and the gate hit the metal before hitting the dirt the deaden the fall of the starting gate.
Exactly what happened.

in your opinion.
Did that deserve a red flag?
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Whoever edited that segment for video could have waited 2 seconds longer before throwing in the huge big number to obstruct the view on what they...
Whoever edited that segment for video could have waited 2 seconds longer before throwing in the huge big number to obstruct the view on what they were reporting on. Sometimes......... ?
Yep.
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ocscottie 6/29/2009 5:55am
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I am sure we will get a better look at it on the real broadcast, this clip was from Speed Reports top 5 moments of the weekend.
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txmxer 6/29/2009 5:59am
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that sucks.
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DC 6/29/2009 7:21am
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Gang, this whole thing was something of a mystery for everyone. Like LarryB sais, sometimes the gates bounce if the dirt behind it is below the metal. Pourcel started in that same spot and got the holeshot in the first moto, then had this happen. Barcia too, right next to him, only Justin almost got the holeshot anyway....

Maybe there was too much dirt cleared away in the area between their two gates and that's what caused the first bounce. Chris hitting it with his front wheel caused the gate to flex and then bounce up again even further, this time hanging him up completely.

The race was not red-flagged by the AMA because the gate functioned properly when it dropped; the fact that it bounced was not a malfunction of the gate but maybe a problem with the preparation work, either by one of the mechanics or the person working the starting gate area between motos. Either way, it would not have been fair for everyone else to red-flag it to find that was the reason....

Pourcel then rode his ass off and made a bunch of fans out of all the folks in Colorado. That second moto was just amazing.

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Cygnus 6/29/2009 7:25am
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It was all part of the script.
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jtomasik 6/29/2009 7:32am
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Ouch. Musta hurt the kiwis!

They need to dock the AMA 2 positions for that.
mototextbook 6/29/2009 8:14am
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The gate mishap had nothing to do with the preparation of the gate.. You can see in the video that the gate doesn't completely fall and Pourcel runs it into the ground with his front wheel then it flexes and bounces back and he almost goes down in the process. Barcia's gate did the same thing, just to a lesser degree. Its not correct to blame a mechanic or an ama official of incorrect preparation. This was a gate falling malfunction.

If you scroll through GuyB's photos from the weekend, there is a picture of Pourcel leaving the gate behind everyone and GuyB's caption states "we watched varying degrees of problems with the gate in subsequent test drops, yet still no re-start." Again, proof this was a gate malfunction.

The race should of been red flagged and the head flag man had the red flag in hand; but was obviously ordered by someone not to throw it for the sole reason that a restart would have compromised the 450 moto #2 gate drop in conjunction with the live speed TV broadcast.
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DC 6/29/2009 8:41am
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Wow, that's exactly what Mitch Payton and I talked about after the race. And as I explained to Mitch, there is often a red flag in the referee's hand at the end of the first lap, just in case. This had NOTHING to do with live TV, as I told Pourcel's mechanic Kyle, who brought up what you are saying right now. He also saw the video in the TV truck as soon as the race was over.

After the bounce, the gate was bent by Pourcel when he hit it and ran up on it, and that's why the three subsequent drops showed the gate fall slower. They had to fix it before the last 450 moto and it worked fine.

I felt horrible for the rider and the team, but the AMA decided that the gate fell properly, and no one can figure out why it bounced except for maying hitting metal and bouncing back up.
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rubarb 6/29/2009 8:47am
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Kinda seems like the next gate over had a similar bounce, just not as bad
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DC 6/29/2009 8:50am
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And by the way, watch the video: Guy B. was in the doghouse and could not see the gate. The only other problem I know of was a pin fell out of Max Anstie's gate, which I fixed myself during the parade lap.


How many protests would there have been if the race were red-flagged and everyone saw that the gate did drop evenly? It's the bounce that is a mystery.


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I claim cover-up ! Conspiracy !!!

Watergate? Errrr, Gate-gate.

Someone call Rupert X.
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OldTiddler 6/29/2009 8:56am
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I think something very important is being overlooked in this video clip--did you see the poise that Pourcel displayed while recovering from this situation? That was freakin' great! This kid is amazing.

Can we rig his gate like that from now on so we can keeping watching how he handles it?

Thanks
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rubarb 6/29/2009 9:05am
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DC wrote:
And by the way, watch the video: Guy B. was in the doghouse and could not see the gate. The only other problem I know of...
And by the way, watch the video: Guy B. was in the doghouse and could not see the gate. The only other problem I know of was a pin fell out of Max Anstie's gate, which I fixed myself during the parade lap.


How many protests would there have been if the race were red-flagged and everyone saw that the gate did drop evenly? It's the bounce that is a mystery.


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isnt that because one eye was closed and the other was focused through a camera?

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DC 6/29/2009 9:14am
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Pourcel is a badass. The guy impresses me more each week. When he and Dungey move up (maybe next year) the 450 class is going to be stacked again.

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GuyB 6/29/2009 9:17am
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DC wrote:
And by the way, watch the video: Guy B. was in the doghouse and could not see the gate. The only other problem I know of...
And by the way, watch the video: Guy B. was in the doghouse and could not see the gate. The only other problem I know of was a pin fell out of Max Anstie's gate, which I fixed myself during the parade lap.


How many protests would there have been if the race were red-flagged and everyone saw that the gate did drop evenly? It's the bounce that is a mystery.


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rubarb wrote:
isnt that because one eye was closed and the other was focused through a camera?
Where I was at was actually in front of the gate. I think it's only moms who have eyes in the back of their heads. Wink
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Sledneck 6/29/2009 12:39pm
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Ive seen that exact thing happen numerous times. Especially if say a riders tire hits it before it hits the dirt. Somehow they will bounce back up.

In this case his tire caught it on the bounce back up causing what I just said. Weird chain of events for sure.
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DC: The race was not red-flagged by the AMA because the gate functioned
properly when it dropped; the fact that it bounced was not a malfunction of
the gate but maybe a problem with the preparation work, either by one of the
mechanics or the person working the starting gate area between motos. Either
way, it would not have been fair for everyone else to red-flag it to find
that was the reason....

Is the AMA one official or several people? Who exactly made the decision
not to restart?

In SX when someone falls in the first turn I wonder if fairness a
consideration when restarting?
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breck 7/1/2009 1:38pm
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Barcia's does the same thing...

Agreed on the restart, but i'm sure no one saw what offically happened until after the moto...
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breck 7/1/2009 1:39pm
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DC what about in 07 at lorettas when the gate malfunctioned during the 250A class and you restarted that moto?
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sc961 7/1/2009 1:44pm
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breck wrote:
DC what about in 07 at lorettas when the gate malfunctioned during the 250A class and you restarted that moto?
Hey Breck what about those tires burning in Martins front yard... Woohoo
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Titan 7/1/2009 1:49pm
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breck wrote:
DC what about in 07 at lorettas when the gate malfunctioned during the 250A class and you restarted that moto?
This gate didnt' malfunction...the gate at LL's in 07 did...apples and oranges.
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I claim cover-up ! Conspiracy !!!

Watergate? Errrr, Gate-gate.

Someone call Rupert X.
Camel toe?
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72kiteboarder 7/1/2009 1:58pm
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It looked to me like he jumped a millisecond early and his tire pushed the gate down. The extra force on the gate from being pushed down caused it to bounce back a little.

To me, it looked like a self inflicted problem by CP.
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Sondy132001 7/1/2009 2:15pm
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VMXdude wrote:
[b]DC: The race was not red-flagged by the AMA because the gate functioned properly when it dropped; the fact that it bounced was not a malfunction...
DC: The race was not red-flagged by the AMA because the gate functioned
properly when it dropped; the fact that it bounced was not a malfunction of
the gate but maybe a problem with the preparation work, either by one of the
mechanics or the person working the starting gate area between motos. Either
way, it would not have been fair for everyone else to red-flag it to find
that was the reason....

Is the AMA one official or several people? Who exactly made the decision
not to restart?

In SX when someone falls in the first turn I wonder if fairness a
consideration when restarting?
Man I am completely out of the loop, I thought the AMA was out of Motocross ???

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Ing 7/1/2009 2:26pm
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I blame the AMA for everything that has ever negatively happened in MX/SX. lol Not really but it's still fun to do.

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