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Follow the norm? Innovate? Over Innovate?
Stay within the current rule books? Build a future bike and hope for rule changes?
What would you like to see? What would make you buy one?
Go for a budget price? Go for a premium price?
Stay within the current rule books? Build a future bike and hope for rule changes?
What would you like to see? What would make you buy one?
Go for a budget price? Go for a premium price?
Suzuki frame +Ktm engine= Triumph
Not gunna happen but we can all dream.
I have nothing against any other brand, I've owned or ridden them all. The only thing I would change with a KTM 250/350, put the camchain tensioner that the 450 has. Also, give me a damn skid plate and hand guards. I'm paying 10-11K for a bike and then have to buy a skid plate to protect the cases lol. that being said, I get it. Gotta help out the industry. I don't care to change my ECU or any of that crap. I want to get on the bike and ride. Yes, messing with he air in the forks gets old. However, it's nice to change my forks in seconds.
The Shop
Free shipping: VITALMX
Luxon 4-Post Bar Mounts
$189.95 - $239.95
DeCal Works Huge Plastic Inventory of UFO and Polisport kits.
That said, once you had the base design, I would be working to make it lighter, thinner, stronger and more reliable than what is out there today. All common design goals and not easy to achieve.
Dark Green/British Competition Green Shrouds & Side-Panels
Silver Fenders
Euro-sourced hardware where-ever possible and sensible
DO NOT let ANYTHING look like somebody-else's hardware
KYB Spring Suspension (Because we all know WP "Air" ain't right for the minions
250/400/450/500+ (No, not a 350 like the Austrians...a 400 sets Triumph a apart)
Models:
Moto
Off-Road Race
Enduro
Street Legal Enduro
An "Adventure" version of the 400 and 500 with Tan/Buckskin seat and optional bags
2 quick change variable position batteries using only 1 at a time (like a reserve) Only need 1 for MX
Left hand rear brake and foot brake with jackshaft mounted rear disc
50 mm spring/air forks with crossover tube and adjustable ride height
Side mounted spring/air shock, no linkage with adjustable shock mounting and shock length
Flex bars with rubber mounted adjustable height
Steel frame with adjustable steering head and steering dampener
Why build/invest in an ICE powertrain that would be obsolete in 5 years?
You cant innovate when you are new to the game. A good example is if you look at teslas production numbers vs ford. Ford has been doing it for over 100 years and has it down to a science and tesla is still playing catch up.
Pit Row
Dualdisk front brake
Spokeskins from the factory
Seathump
Grip guards
Dual pipe exhaust
The smallest numberplates imaginable
Carbon subframe
What other red flags do you come up with?
Dual exhaust and real crazy looking fenders.
Adapt the motor technology from what has been learned in MotoGP. Focus on a 250F and a 350F.
Source as many components as possible from Tier 1 suppliers (braking system, bars, exhaust, wheels, levers, etc.)
WP spring suspension
Get JGR involved in the development process very early so that are ready to go racing in 2022 Nationals
Realistically, it's going to take them several years to develop a good chassis package and refine an ICE. I'm about 50/50 whether they are going to start with an ICE bike or e-drive bike.
Think about it....
There's limited marketspace available for another ICE bike. We all know e-drive bikes are coming. If Triumph starts with e-drive development from day 1, there's a very real chance that they could be one of the first to the game with a competitive e-drive bike 2 to 3 years from now. KTM is pushing VERY hard for e-drive technology development (across all platforms) and we know Honda is tinkering around with an e-drive MX model.
Alta already demonstrated there is a market for e-drive bikes and consumers who will purchase them for $10k+. Why not be one of the first to the game with e-drive and be a market leader rather than playing catch up with ICE??
Build an engine that can be used in different states of tune across multiple lines, street and dirt. Chassis dimensions similar to current successful design, but that you can pull off with your facilities/suppliers. Commodity components, build in Thailand/India allow pricing at multiple points through upgrades of components on dealer floor.
Build around a more flexible market model than competition. Base comes barebones: cheaper wheels, tires, steel bars, open chamber forks all standard but carefully set up, and priced lower than Japan. Add dealer options for special editions, stainless pipe, kit suspension, fat bars etc.
As for the MX model, I'd make a two-piece subframe out of aluminum. It would run from the rear fender to the steering stem, and you would be able to remove the rear fender, sideplates, seat and fuel tank in one fell swoop. The frame itself would be steel and use the engine as a stressed member. That part would run from the footpegs to the steering stem, with enough strength to handle all the stresses. The only spars running from the footpegs to the subframe would be narrow enough to allow a very straight airboot and a center-mounted shock. The frame would be shaped in such a way as to accept an electric motor as well.
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