Is my truck totaled?

Edited Date/Time 7/22/2021 6:39am
My wife got hit in my truck yesterday while waiting at a light, a Honda Accord veered off the road straight into her and t-boned her. The driver claimed to have “lost her brakes” but I think she was distracted. Accident happened at 6:00 AM with no other cars on the road. Driver accepted fault and her carrier accepted liability.

Now the frustrating part. My truck is a 2011 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 which has been meticulously maintained. It’s paid for with under 100K miles. I had planned to pass it down to my future children. Anyway, the truck got t-boned while stopped at at least 40-50 mph. Tacoma’s are expensive and mine is fully built. I’m super frustrated because I don’t wan to end up with a truck payment or a crappy vehicle. I also don’t want to be driving in a compromised truck. I’m no expert but the frame looks all tweaked and my rear axle is now leaking along with the drive shaft being blown off.

Their insurance carrier recommended a shop and I towed it in and a front desk receptionists (not a specialist or mechanic) assessed the damage. She wrote down $10k in damages but in the quote there is no new springs (which ripped off), no axle repair (wheels are all bent), just paint and body work.

At this point I called my own insurance and they’re sending a field adjuster to asses and they’ll just subrogate.





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7/17/2021 10:57am
Wife ok? I hope she did not get hurt. Is that the drive shaft on the ground, underneath your truck?
7/17/2021 10:59am
1911 wrote:
Wife ok? I hope she did not get hurt. Is that the drive shaft on the ground, underneath your truck?
Yeah driveshaft on the ground. Wife is gratefully okay just a little sore. Thanks for asking!
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7/17/2021 11:50am
1911 wrote:
Wife ok? I hope she did not get hurt. Is that the drive shaft on the ground, underneath your truck?
Yeah driveshaft on the ground. Wife is gratefully okay just a little sore. Thanks for asking!
Good to hear your wife is okay.( My advice) She may want to get checked by her doctor. Depending on your insurance co, you may have show them what a truck like that is really worth. Start documenting what other trucks in similar condition are going for. Maybe also start a "Free Newman" thread, he is/was the expert around here.

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7/17/2021 12:17pm
1911 wrote:
Wife ok? I hope she did not get hurt. Is that the drive shaft on the ground, underneath your truck?
Yeah driveshaft on the ground. Wife is gratefully okay just a little sore. Thanks for asking!
GabeM wrote:
Good to hear your wife is okay.( My advice) She may want to get checked by her doctor. Depending on your insurance co, you may have...
Good to hear your wife is okay.( My advice) She may want to get checked by her doctor. Depending on your insurance co, you may have show them what a truck like that is really worth. Start documenting what other trucks in similar condition are going for. Maybe also start a "Free Newman" thread, he is/was the expert around here.

Great advice! I will do so. I feel like I get more insight from here than the carriers. Thank you! And ah man! I was hoping he’d chime in. He truly is the expert!

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7/17/2021 1:02pm
Toyota grows frames on trees. I'm sure they'll square it away.
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But if they total it out, dibs!!
7/17/2021 3:02pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2021 3:03pm
Be careful using a shop their insurance company recommended. They usually have pre-negotiated rates and will try to do the job as cheap as possible. You have the right to get it repaired at any body shop you want, but their insurance will try to convince you otherwise. Ask around and find a good repair shop and take it there. It’s a nice truck, you want it fixed right. Good call on getting your insurance to send an adjuster out for a 2nd opinion.
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7/17/2021 3:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2021 5:33pm
Also Keep in mind, they may declare it totaled, pay you bluebook, and offer to sell it to you at salvage price. That used to be common in a situation like this. Often that can work in your favor if the repairs aren't too much and especially if you can do some of the work yourself.


on a side note an old LA trick for up and comers, who want to appear wealthier than you actually are

Buy a salvaged Mercedes, BMW, (whatever) and take it to a body shop (the more the Hispanic Vietnamese, Korean etc the better) and pay them cash to fix it up the best they can, but make sure it looks good. Keep in mind it may be a complete lemon at this point, but you can do that for the cost of an old regular running cheap commuter.
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7/19/2021 6:58pm
Welp, it’s totaled. Now I’m dealing with my carrier since they’re offering me next to nothing for it. Less than 100,000 miles, 4x4 and their “database” is valuing my truck a lot lower than what it will cost to get myself into something remotely close to what I have. What a headache!
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7/19/2021 7:20pm
Welp, it’s totaled. Now I’m dealing with my carrier since they’re offering me next to nothing for it. Less than 100,000 miles, 4x4 and their “database”...
Welp, it’s totaled. Now I’m dealing with my carrier since they’re offering me next to nothing for it. Less than 100,000 miles, 4x4 and their “database” is valuing my truck a lot lower than what it will cost to get myself into something remotely close to what I have. What a headache!
Never accept the first offer. I had a Buick totalled out once and arguing with them got me double their initial offer. Take the time to gather solid evidence, showing sales of comparable vehicles is best. The best part of my deal was that I bought it back from them for $800 salvage price, put $500 into repairs and drove it for 150,000 more miles.
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7/19/2021 7:25pm
Welp, it’s totaled. Now I’m dealing with my carrier since they’re offering me next to nothing for it. Less than 100,000 miles, 4x4 and their “database”...
Welp, it’s totaled. Now I’m dealing with my carrier since they’re offering me next to nothing for it. Less than 100,000 miles, 4x4 and their “database” is valuing my truck a lot lower than what it will cost to get myself into something remotely close to what I have. What a headache!
Fonzarelli wrote:
Never accept the first offer. I had a Buick totalled out once and arguing with them got me double their initial offer. Take the time to...
Never accept the first offer. I had a Buick totalled out once and arguing with them got me double their initial offer. Take the time to gather solid evidence, showing sales of comparable vehicles is best. The best part of my deal was that I bought it back from them for $800 salvage price, put $500 into repairs and drove it for 150,000 more miles.
Thanks for the advice! I was tempted to accept the offer but I told them I’d sleep on it. I’m a handy guy so I figured I’d tear it down and go to the scrapyard to rebuild.

I’m bummed because the truck is paid for, immaculately maintained and some negligent driver destroyed it. I’m livid.
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7/19/2021 8:01pm
I had an insurance company lowball me on a car years ago, and eventually told me they wouldn't budge. Lawyer didn't want to fight for the extra 4k ish they were holding back, and after his expenses I'd still be short. Funny thing was my back started hurting from the accident about that time. They shorted me on the car, but more than had to make up for it in pain and suffering by the time the chiropractor was done fixing me. Bastards.
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7/19/2021 8:20pm
I’m glad everyone is ok for the most part. One thing to consider. Getting arthritis down the line from that accident. I was in an accident years ago. I ended up getting really bad arthritis a few years later in my neck. I was pretty young back then and figured the settlement was fair. I still deal with it nearly 17 years later. Gotta think long term and injuries don’t necessarily go away because the pain isn’t there at that point in time.
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7/20/2021 5:01am
I would say they probably will total. Right now tho used prices are so damn crazy, I would fight to have that repaired, just make sure they dont change the title status. I flip a bunch or totaled cars and know many who do. MOST of the guys flipping these cars are hacks, put unsafe bandages to get the title rebuilt and off they go.
7/20/2021 5:04am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2021 5:04am
Remind them of the current market, truck prices are insane. Just about guarantee your truck is worth more now than it was 2 years ago. My wife’s 2016 4Runner books for $2,500 more than the OTD price we paid 3.5 years and 60k miles ago. My ‘14 Tundra is only booking $1,500 less than I paid for it 5 years ago. It’s a crazy market.
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7/20/2021 7:01am
Thanks guys! I’m calling the adjuster today. I’be been running comps all night and they’re offering me about $10K less than what it a going to cost to get into the same truck.
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7/20/2021 7:07am
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying back and repairing. I’ve done that a couple times and made out really well. People aren’t afraid to pay good money for a salvage title Tacoma
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7/20/2021 7:24am
Same thing happened to us in 2017. 2011 Toyota Rav4, paid off, my wife got rear ended at a red light. They totaled it, we ended up getting a new Ford Escape and an added payment again. I honestly think we would still have the Rav, that was a great car. Unrelated, but in 2019 the engine went in the Escape, they replaced it under warranty but now that is always in the back of my mind.
7/20/2021 7:43am
crowe660 wrote:
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying...
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying back and repairing. I’ve done that a couple times and made out really well. People aren’t afraid to pay good money for a salvage title Tacoma
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing my truck a lot lower than what they’re being sold for in my area.

My biggest gripe is that even with keeping my truck and getting paid, I’ll be forced to cough up around $10K (not including sales tax, etc..) for another truck around the same year. If I want a newer truck then I’m looking at being stuck with a truck payment again. My only solution at this point is take the money, take my parts off, sell the truck as salvage and hopefully make enough to be back in another truck.

Not to mention, I’ll be out of a truck for who knows how long.
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7/20/2021 8:55am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2021 9:02am
Man, huge bummer. Sucks seeing you lose a great truck that kept your wife safe. I wonder what they would be saying if you involved lawyers.

Call ex Moto guy Arthur Draper and tell him pulpmx sent you! Ambulances chase him.
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7/20/2021 9:16am
crowe660 wrote:
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying...
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying back and repairing. I’ve done that a couple times and made out really well. People aren’t afraid to pay good money for a salvage title Tacoma
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing...
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing my truck a lot lower than what they’re being sold for in my area.

My biggest gripe is that even with keeping my truck and getting paid, I’ll be forced to cough up around $10K (not including sales tax, etc..) for another truck around the same year. If I want a newer truck then I’m looking at being stuck with a truck payment again. My only solution at this point is take the money, take my parts off, sell the truck as salvage and hopefully make enough to be back in another truck.

Not to mention, I’ll be out of a truck for who knows how long.
Heads up on this. If youre looking for your own comps, review the comps they used. Dont waste time sending them vehicles out of their search radius or different configurations than they are currently using
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7/20/2021 9:32am
crowe660 wrote:
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying...
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying back and repairing. I’ve done that a couple times and made out really well. People aren’t afraid to pay good money for a salvage title Tacoma
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing...
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing my truck a lot lower than what they’re being sold for in my area.

My biggest gripe is that even with keeping my truck and getting paid, I’ll be forced to cough up around $10K (not including sales tax, etc..) for another truck around the same year. If I want a newer truck then I’m looking at being stuck with a truck payment again. My only solution at this point is take the money, take my parts off, sell the truck as salvage and hopefully make enough to be back in another truck.

Not to mention, I’ll be out of a truck for who knows how long.
If you buy the truck back, what kind of Title will it have. Salvage title?
7/20/2021 9:45am
crowe660 wrote:
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying...
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying back and repairing. I’ve done that a couple times and made out really well. People aren’t afraid to pay good money for a salvage title Tacoma
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing...
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing my truck a lot lower than what they’re being sold for in my area.

My biggest gripe is that even with keeping my truck and getting paid, I’ll be forced to cough up around $10K (not including sales tax, etc..) for another truck around the same year. If I want a newer truck then I’m looking at being stuck with a truck payment again. My only solution at this point is take the money, take my parts off, sell the truck as salvage and hopefully make enough to be back in another truck.

Not to mention, I’ll be out of a truck for who knows how long.
1911 wrote:
If you buy the truck back, what kind of Title will it have. Salvage title?
Highly likely, although if he fixed it and then got it to pass a state inspection it would have a rebuilt or reconstructed title.
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7/20/2021 11:10am
Make sure your wife gets checked out, my ex got rear ended pretty hard. She found out almost a year later she broke her back and has had neck issues ever since. But she wasn't in pain at the time, she's an avid lifter and only made it worse on her self.

As for the truck, that's a bummer. I hope the take in account the work you did. But I know with side by side insurance you pay to cover aftermarket stuff. I have 40k+ in aftermarket accessories covered. I don't think they will cover your wheels/lift based on insruance on a "stock" truck. Again, not totally sure how it works. I have wheels/lift on my silverado and pay a little more for aftermarket add-ons. Which I get boned for because I'm 25.
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7/20/2021 11:53am
So I managed to get them to increase their offer by $9,000. I’m still bummed but I I get to take off all my aftermarket parts and at least get to sell them to make a bit of money
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7/20/2021 12:38pm
So I managed to get them to increase their offer by $9,000. I’m still bummed but I I get to take off all my aftermarket parts...
So I managed to get them to increase their offer by $9,000. I’m still bummed but I I get to take off all my aftermarket parts and at least get to sell them to make a bit of money
Is that near book value? Remind them of taxes and dealer fees, you have to pay those too. This wasn’t your(or your wife’s) fault and you need to be made whole again. Having to pay even $100 out of pocket isn’t being made whole.
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7/20/2021 10:10pm
So I managed to get them to increase their offer by $9,000. I’m still bummed but I I get to take off all my aftermarket parts...
So I managed to get them to increase their offer by $9,000. I’m still bummed but I I get to take off all my aftermarket parts and at least get to sell them to make a bit of money
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Is that near book value? Remind them of taxes and dealer fees, you have to pay those too. This wasn’t your(or your wife’s) fault and you...
Is that near book value? Remind them of taxes and dealer fees, you have to pay those too. This wasn’t your(or your wife’s) fault and you need to be made whole again. Having to pay even $100 out of pocket isn’t being made whole.
Yeah according to blue book but I’m still going to come out on the short end trying to buy another truck. They said they have their own way of appraising the value. Although it’s what KBB is valuing the truck, it’s still lower than what the dealers are selling for. I think I’ll save the cash for a while until I can find something affordable. Overall, crummy situation but have to face it
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7/20/2021 10:11pm
crowe660 wrote:
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying...
Did they give you a price to buy it back? If worst comes to worse, I’d be all over what the above poster said about buying back and repairing. I’ve done that a couple times and made out really well. People aren’t afraid to pay good money for a salvage title Tacoma
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing...
Yeah, they offered me a deal to keep the truck and they’ll pay me the current value but the thing is that their database is valuing my truck a lot lower than what they’re being sold for in my area.

My biggest gripe is that even with keeping my truck and getting paid, I’ll be forced to cough up around $10K (not including sales tax, etc..) for another truck around the same year. If I want a newer truck then I’m looking at being stuck with a truck payment again. My only solution at this point is take the money, take my parts off, sell the truck as salvage and hopefully make enough to be back in another truck.

Not to mention, I’ll be out of a truck for who knows how long.
1911 wrote:
If you buy the truck back, what kind of Title will it have. Salvage title?
It would be salvage
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7/21/2021 7:02am Edited Date/Time 7/21/2021 7:05am
So I managed to get them to increase their offer by $9,000. I’m still bummed but I I get to take off all my aftermarket parts...
So I managed to get them to increase their offer by $9,000. I’m still bummed but I I get to take off all my aftermarket parts and at least get to sell them to make a bit of money
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Is that near book value? Remind them of taxes and dealer fees, you have to pay those too. This wasn’t your(or your wife’s) fault and you...
Is that near book value? Remind them of taxes and dealer fees, you have to pay those too. This wasn’t your(or your wife’s) fault and you need to be made whole again. Having to pay even $100 out of pocket isn’t being made whole.
Yeah according to blue book but I’m still going to come out on the short end trying to buy another truck. They said they have their...
Yeah according to blue book but I’m still going to come out on the short end trying to buy another truck. They said they have their own way of appraising the value. Although it’s what KBB is valuing the truck, it’s still lower than what the dealers are selling for. I think I’ll save the cash for a while until I can find something affordable. Overall, crummy situation but have to face it
You don't have to accept their offer. Settling is always to their advantage and their main leverage is your need for a vehicle. If you have the ability too, tell them you don't like their offer. Have your wife go to the doctor, chiropractor, masseuse etc. make sure she is 100% before settling on the injury . One time I didn't settle for over a year and just kept telling them no. They called me nearly every week. I just kept telling them their offer wasn't fair. I got that advice from a family friend chiropractor. After the x rays Dr visits and weekly chiropractor bills started coming in it changed the dynamic. I started to gain some leverage on them.
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7/21/2021 9:15am
So their offer will never be enough to buy one from a dealer but should be enough to buy one privately. Will take some patience but should be doable!

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