I don't like the forum title moderation.

Race Indigo 7/13/2021 8:00am
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MotoTribology wrote:
Everyone knows all the best admins mod their forums to win. Replacing the stock titles with aftermarket titles are always the first and easiest way to...
Everyone knows all the best admins mod their forums to win.

Replacing the stock titles with aftermarket titles are always the first and easiest way to increase forum performance.
Lol thank you
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kNewc 7/13/2021 8:04am
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A lot of guys who are mad at title changes or thread deletions are probably the same people who are mad that Facebook deletes their comments...
A lot of guys who are mad at title changes or thread deletions are probably the same people who are mad that Facebook deletes their comments. Then goes onto say "...that should be illegal!" lmao. Corporations are considered people. If people (Aka VitalMX) don't want your stupid posts they can remove them. Just like if I were to come to your house and post a sign in your yard saying something you don't like. Would you leave the sign? or would you go out on your front yard and throw it away?
yz133rider wrote:
Facebook only deletes comments of a certain flavor though. Which combined with their reach and influence does seem to be something that should be illegal.
It doesn't matter how big the house is, or how many people can see the house. Get it? Put it into terms of a house (something tangible, something you can relate to). The home owner doesn't care, he's the owner. For example if the owner doesn't like all opinions on the moon they'll probably remove some opinions about the moon. It doesn't matter, he owns the house. He dictates what's on his home's lawn. If he doesn't like what you say about the moon, he can make you leave the property.

What you are explaining, saying Facebook should be illegal, is basically saying you want socialism. Why should the government be allowed to dictate what Facebook can or cannot put on their front lawn? Next they'll be going for your front lawn! Which is why we decided to treat businesses like people. Which also means those people can remove signs from their front yards. No matter how big their yard is.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. You should really research how businesses are considered "people" and how that effects workers and consumers lives.
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Race Indigo 7/13/2021 8:11am
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kNewc wrote:
A lot of guys who are mad at title changes or thread deletions are probably the same people who are mad that Facebook deletes their comments...
A lot of guys who are mad at title changes or thread deletions are probably the same people who are mad that Facebook deletes their comments. Then goes onto say "...that should be illegal!" lmao. Corporations are considered people. If people (Aka VitalMX) don't want your stupid posts they can remove them. Just like if I were to come to your house and post a sign in your yard saying something you don't like. Would you leave the sign? or would you go out on your front yard and throw it away?
yz133rider wrote:
Facebook only deletes comments of a certain flavor though. Which combined with their reach and influence does seem to be something that should be illegal.
kNewc wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the house is, or how many people can see the house. Get it? Put it into terms of a house (something...
It doesn't matter how big the house is, or how many people can see the house. Get it? Put it into terms of a house (something tangible, something you can relate to). The home owner doesn't care, he's the owner. For example if the owner doesn't like all opinions on the moon they'll probably remove some opinions about the moon. It doesn't matter, he owns the house. He dictates what's on his home's lawn. If he doesn't like what you say about the moon, he can make you leave the property.

What you are explaining, saying Facebook should be illegal, is basically saying you want socialism. Why should the government be allowed to dictate what Facebook can or cannot put on their front lawn? Next they'll be going for your front lawn! Which is why we decided to treat businesses like people. Which also means those people can remove signs from their front yards. No matter how big their yard is.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. You should really research how businesses are considered "people" and how that effects workers and consumers lives.
We'd all be better off if corporations weren't considered people...
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Race Indigo 7/13/2021 8:12am
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Here comes the ban for getting political Woohoo
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yz133rider 7/13/2021 8:15am
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yz133rider wrote:
Facebook only deletes comments of a certain flavor though. Which combined with their reach and influence does seem to be something that should be illegal.
kNewc wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the house is, or how many people can see the house. Get it? Put it into terms of a house (something...
It doesn't matter how big the house is, or how many people can see the house. Get it? Put it into terms of a house (something tangible, something you can relate to). The home owner doesn't care, he's the owner. For example if the owner doesn't like all opinions on the moon they'll probably remove some opinions about the moon. It doesn't matter, he owns the house. He dictates what's on his home's lawn. If he doesn't like what you say about the moon, he can make you leave the property.

What you are explaining, saying Facebook should be illegal, is basically saying you want socialism. Why should the government be allowed to dictate what Facebook can or cannot put on their front lawn? Next they'll be going for your front lawn! Which is why we decided to treat businesses like people. Which also means those people can remove signs from their front yards. No matter how big their yard is.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. You should really research how businesses are considered "people" and how that effects workers and consumers lives.
Race Indigo wrote:
We'd all be better off if corporations weren't considered people...
Difference is favebook claims to only be a medium for content, but the moment they start directing the flavor dont they then become more of an author rather than just a meeting place as they claim to be.

Since we’re using analogies- Adding and removing flavors seems to make them a chef and not just a pot.
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Moto520 7/13/2021 8:15am
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I don't mind the clean up of garbage posts as well as titles of threads. When there is too much crap to sift through, it takes away from a good experience. i would rather have it cleaned up. There is no correlation between website owner deleting posts and the government slowly taking over.
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kNewc 7/13/2021 8:23am
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kNewc wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the house is, or how many people can see the house. Get it? Put it into terms of a house (something...
It doesn't matter how big the house is, or how many people can see the house. Get it? Put it into terms of a house (something tangible, something you can relate to). The home owner doesn't care, he's the owner. For example if the owner doesn't like all opinions on the moon they'll probably remove some opinions about the moon. It doesn't matter, he owns the house. He dictates what's on his home's lawn. If he doesn't like what you say about the moon, he can make you leave the property.

What you are explaining, saying Facebook should be illegal, is basically saying you want socialism. Why should the government be allowed to dictate what Facebook can or cannot put on their front lawn? Next they'll be going for your front lawn! Which is why we decided to treat businesses like people. Which also means those people can remove signs from their front yards. No matter how big their yard is.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. You should really research how businesses are considered "people" and how that effects workers and consumers lives.
Race Indigo wrote:
We'd all be better off if corporations weren't considered people...
yz133rider wrote:
Difference is favebook claims to only be a medium for content, but the moment they start directing the flavor dont they then become more of an...
Difference is favebook claims to only be a medium for content, but the moment they start directing the flavor dont they then become more of an author rather than just a meeting place as they claim to be.

Since we’re using analogies- Adding and removing flavors seems to make them a chef and not just a pot.
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't like the chef (or his ingredients) they can dictate both! Just like the sign in the yard... Not saying it's right but it's what we have set up and generally, especially in the US with large vocal chords, anything else is regarded as fascism/socialism/communism.
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yz133rider 7/13/2021 8:34am
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kNewc wrote:
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't...
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't like the chef (or his ingredients) they can dictate both! Just like the sign in the yard... Not saying it's right but it's what we have set up and generally, especially in the US with large vocal chords, anything else is regarded as fascism/socialism/communism.
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and faults. But the whole point is that if they are changing the narratives and censoring/adding/banning/promoting different flavors with different levels of intensity and not just being a natural platform they at some point stop being just a publisher and start being an author. And thus would have to take responsibility for certain trends, comments, results etc.

But they get to hide behind this publisher status and essentially can’t be touched.

Big tech is a powerful and scary thing, especially if it’s one sided as it is.

Anyway a pretty pointless discussion as were all doomed it seems anyway sooner than later.
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Race Indigo 7/13/2021 8:41am
7/13/2021 8:41am
Race Indigo wrote:
We'd all be better off if corporations weren't considered people...
yz133rider wrote:
Difference is favebook claims to only be a medium for content, but the moment they start directing the flavor dont they then become more of an...
Difference is favebook claims to only be a medium for content, but the moment they start directing the flavor dont they then become more of an author rather than just a meeting place as they claim to be.

Since we’re using analogies- Adding and removing flavors seems to make them a chef and not just a pot.
kNewc wrote:
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't...
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't like the chef (or his ingredients) they can dictate both! Just like the sign in the yard... Not saying it's right but it's what we have set up and generally, especially in the US with large vocal chords, anything else is regarded as fascism/socialism/communism.
You are completely missing the point about being a publisher vs a platform. Either Facebook gets to curate content and they are held liable (like the NYT) or they get to avoid liability and anything goes (like the phone company). They don't get to curate and avoid liability.

We as a collective get to decide if we want to live in a world where the phone company gets to control what is communicated. We also get to decide if we want to continue giving our attention to sucky motocross productions and forum moderations.


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Race Indigo 7/13/2021 8:42am
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kNewc wrote:
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't...
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't like the chef (or his ingredients) they can dictate both! Just like the sign in the yard... Not saying it's right but it's what we have set up and generally, especially in the US with large vocal chords, anything else is regarded as fascism/socialism/communism.
yz133rider wrote:
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and...
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and faults. But the whole point is that if they are changing the narratives and censoring/adding/banning/promoting different flavors with different levels of intensity and not just being a natural platform they at some point stop being just a publisher and start being an author. And thus would have to take responsibility for certain trends, comments, results etc.

But they get to hide behind this publisher status and essentially can’t be touched.

Big tech is a powerful and scary thing, especially if it’s one sided as it is.

Anyway a pretty pointless discussion as were all doomed it seems anyway sooner than later.
Only if we stop speaking up. Fuck anyone who tries to tell you what you can say.
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OldPro277 7/13/2021 9:17am
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kNewc wrote:
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't...
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't like the chef (or his ingredients) they can dictate both! Just like the sign in the yard... Not saying it's right but it's what we have set up and generally, especially in the US with large vocal chords, anything else is regarded as fascism/socialism/communism.
yz133rider wrote:
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and...
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and faults. But the whole point is that if they are changing the narratives and censoring/adding/banning/promoting different flavors with different levels of intensity and not just being a natural platform they at some point stop being just a publisher and start being an author. And thus would have to take responsibility for certain trends, comments, results etc.

But they get to hide behind this publisher status and essentially can’t be touched.

Big tech is a powerful and scary thing, especially if it’s one sided as it is.

Anyway a pretty pointless discussion as were all doomed it seems anyway sooner than later.
Race Indigo wrote:
Only if we stop speaking up. Fuck anyone who tries to tell you what you can say.
Oh boy---- it never ceases to amaze me when "newbies" come on her JUST to complain about how things are run by a forum thats owned and run by others. If its such a terrible injustice to be so mistreated here, by all means its possible these days to initiate your own forum and govern it the way you see fit. Go at it young man !!

Also-- I say "newbie" with tongue in cheek. I'm surmising that Race Indigo is a new account name for a former member that was so rudely bounced.

FWIW--This was a Moto forum the last time I logged in-- not a Supreme court hearing of the First Amendment, Geezus !!! LMAO !!! Some guys..................
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Serenity now 7/13/2021 9:47am
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kNewc wrote:
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't...
What is the difference between my moon comment and your flavor comment? It only matters what their terms say when you signed up. If Facebook doesn't like the chef (or his ingredients) they can dictate both! Just like the sign in the yard... Not saying it's right but it's what we have set up and generally, especially in the US with large vocal chords, anything else is regarded as fascism/socialism/communism.
yz133rider wrote:
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and...
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and faults. But the whole point is that if they are changing the narratives and censoring/adding/banning/promoting different flavors with different levels of intensity and not just being a natural platform they at some point stop being just a publisher and start being an author. And thus would have to take responsibility for certain trends, comments, results etc.

But they get to hide behind this publisher status and essentially can’t be touched.

Big tech is a powerful and scary thing, especially if it’s one sided as it is.

Anyway a pretty pointless discussion as were all doomed it seems anyway sooner than later.
Race Indigo wrote:
Only if we stop speaking up. Fuck anyone who tries to tell you what you can say.
Yet here you are trying to tell a private enterprise how they should run their business.

An MX Internet forum saying that you can’t make personal attacks to others is not a slippery slope to losing free speech where it matters. Relax.
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I would smack my own mother in the face if I was this entitled.
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Freedom is the best!!! Until someone else....like...hurts my feelings and stuff....then it's dangerous and we should.....like....really think about it....and stuff.

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There is no freedom of speach on the net... get used to it
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I think there's a huge difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to be an asshat, but that's just me. Smile

One of the worst parts of social media is that a lot of people now think that all points of view are equally valid.
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GuyB wrote:
I think there's a huge difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to be an asshat, but that's just me. :) One of the worst parts...
I think there's a huge difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to be an asshat, but that's just me. Smile

One of the worst parts of social media is that a lot of people now think that all points of view are equally valid.
Well, shit!

Gibby just threw the ultimate smack-down.

Still LOLing.

Signed,

Someone who's been 'banned from the ranch' and knows why: there are rules. Don't fuck with the rules. Simple.
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GuyB wrote:
I think there's a huge difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to be an asshat, but that's just me. :) One of the worst parts...
I think there's a huge difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to be an asshat, but that's just me. Smile

One of the worst parts of social media is that a lot of people now think that all points of view are equally valid.
It's the downside of not having civics in the classrooms for thirty-something years is you end up with a bunch of forty/fifty-something's that complain about what they're allowed to say when in someone else's house.
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Race Indigo 7/13/2021 5:58pm
7/13/2021 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2021 6:11pm
GuyB wrote:
I think there's a huge difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to be an asshat, but that's just me. :) One of the worst parts...
I think there's a huge difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to be an asshat, but that's just me. Smile

One of the worst parts of social media is that a lot of people now think that all points of view are equally valid.
This is irrelevant to this thread/forum because it's your house and freedom of speech doesn't apply (again, my issue is mainly about you changing what people say), but freedom of speech is freedom of speech and that includes asshats. I don't like asshats as much as the next guy but my definition of an asshat may not be the exact same as the next guy. Who am I to think I should control their speech just because I don't like it? Talk about entitled.

The worst part of social media is that a lot of people now think that their point of view is more valid than someone else's. A different point of view is a perspective that you don't have so how can you possibly know that yours is more valid? That's like...your opinion man. All points of view ARE equally valid. If not, who gets to decide what is valid? Who gets to decide who gets to decide? Factchecker.org? LOL

See why this way of thinking is a slippery slope, especially when it inevitably spills out into the real world?
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Race Indigo 7/13/2021 6:02pm
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This is where I stop explaining myself because people only understand from their level of perception.
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Race Indigo 7/13/2021 6:09pm
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I do have a question GuyB. Why did it take so long to change the title? Did you decide the title broke the rules after 3 pages or did Bondo send you a butt hurt text message?
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Race Indigo wrote:
This is where I stop explaining myself because people only understand from their level of perception.
Hamba kahle ....
Race Indigo 7/13/2021 6:15pm
7/13/2021 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2021 6:16pm
yz133rider wrote:
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and...
I believe they are categorized as a publisher and not a creator. Which gives them certain protections and loopholes from being held to certain standards and faults. But the whole point is that if they are changing the narratives and censoring/adding/banning/promoting different flavors with different levels of intensity and not just being a natural platform they at some point stop being just a publisher and start being an author. And thus would have to take responsibility for certain trends, comments, results etc.

But they get to hide behind this publisher status and essentially can’t be touched.

Big tech is a powerful and scary thing, especially if it’s one sided as it is.

Anyway a pretty pointless discussion as were all doomed it seems anyway sooner than later.
Race Indigo wrote:
Only if we stop speaking up. Fuck anyone who tries to tell you what you can say.
OldPro277 wrote:
Oh boy---- it never ceases to amaze me when "newbies" come on her JUST to complain about how things are run by a forum thats owned...
Oh boy---- it never ceases to amaze me when "newbies" come on her JUST to complain about how things are run by a forum thats owned and run by others. If its such a terrible injustice to be so mistreated here, by all means its possible these days to initiate your own forum and govern it the way you see fit. Go at it young man !!

Also-- I say "newbie" with tongue in cheek. I'm surmising that Race Indigo is a new account name for a former member that was so rudely bounced.

FWIW--This was a Moto forum the last time I logged in-- not a Supreme court hearing of the First Amendment, Geezus !!! LMAO !!! Some guys..................
Good sleuthing skills. Must be noticing a pattern.



From the Discord. I'll speak up since this fella can't. Is he an asshat or was he rudely bounced?
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For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you...
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

GuyB wrote:
Maybe you're right. Maybe I should hand the reins over to someone else. How do you think you'd fare in the hands of a new admin...
Maybe you're right. Maybe I should hand the reins over to someone else.

How do you think you'd fare in the hands of a new admin? Smile
You should let the AMA run this place for a day and see how everybody likes that. Laughing
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Race Indigo wrote:
Good sleuthing skills. Must be noticing a pattern. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/13/501599/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_07_14_at_8.12.34_AM.jpg[/img] From the Discord. I'll speak up since this fella can't. Is he an asshat or was he...
Good sleuthing skills. Must be noticing a pattern.



From the Discord. I'll speak up since this fella can't. Is he an asshat or was he rudely bounced?
Go through his posts and judge for yourself.

https://www.vitalmx.com/community/evansteinberg,73307/all
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GuyB 7/13/2021 6:52pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
You should let the AMA run this place for a day and see how everybody likes that. Laughing
The FIM is looking for a gig... Wink
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GuyB 7/13/2021 6:56pm
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Race Indigo wrote:
I do have a question GuyB. Why did it take so long to change the title? Did you decide the title broke the rules after 3...
I do have a question GuyB. Why did it take so long to change the title? Did you decide the title broke the rules after 3 pages or did Bondo send you a butt hurt text message?
Jeez. I can only take so much broken record. For someone who claims to not care whether they get clipped or not, you sure seem awfully invested in "your rights" here.

The answer to your question above is...













Click.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled moto forum. Smile
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