I don't like the forum title moderation.

Edited Date/Time 7/14/2021 6:15am
Controlling what people say and putting words in someone's mouth is a slippery slope.
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yz133rider
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Gotta protect industry peeps. Nobody can ever do any wrong in this industry. Even if they are awful.
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yz133rider wrote:
Gotta protect industry peeps. Nobody can ever do any wrong in this industry. Even if they are awful.
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

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I guess we will find out soon........
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Moderation is overrated in general. Everyone thinks they are a moderate. Take drinking for example, being functional is moderate where I come from, but some keep telling me it isn't. Screw them.
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7/12/2021 7:07pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2021 7:11pm
Please, Oh please GuyB change this title to "I like the forum title moderation" haha
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Computers and phones all come with off buttons......
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yz133rider wrote:
Gotta protect industry peeps. Nobody can ever do any wrong in this industry. Even if they are awful.
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you...
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration of your account this one is...
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yz133rider wrote:
Gotta protect industry peeps. Nobody can ever do any wrong in this industry. Even if they are awful.
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you...
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

Sully wrote:
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration...
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration of your account this one is...
Saying you suck at your job is pretty light for a personal attack worthy of attention.
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yz133rider wrote:
Saying you suck at your job is pretty light for a personal attack worthy of attention.
Depending on the talent, it could be considered a compliment too.
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7/12/2021 8:56pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2021 8:58pm
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you...
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

Sully wrote:
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration...
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration of your account this one is...
yz133rider wrote:
Saying you suck at your job is pretty light for a personal attack worthy of attention.
It is, but apparently it crossed a line with Steve at that particular time on that particular day. His house, his rules, and any of us are free to see our way out the door if we don't like it.
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7/12/2021 8:59pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2021 9:01pm
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you...
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

Sully wrote:
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration...
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration of your account this one is...
yz133rider wrote:
Saying you suck at your job is pretty light for a personal attack worthy of attention.
You may be right, but to be fair, if i suck at my job (maybe i do) I dont have a bunch of keyboard warriors ragging about me by name on a forum
Truthfully, most here really don't know if he does a good job or not, because i would say those commenting have no idea about TV production. Weege discussing the technical aspects of the production on Matthes's podcast really opened my eyes to some of the realities involved when it comes to putting a broadast on. and no doubt he is just scratching the surface.
Perhaps Bondo is doing a great job given his limitations/resources, perhaps he is not. I have no idea about his personal abilities.

Thats why there is a difference between saying " the production sucks" and "person X sucks"

I think its a perfectly reasonable line for the mods to draw, its clean and simple. Its much easier to draw the line at no personal attacks, rather than you can attack them a bit, but not too much.
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Controlling what people say and putting words in someone's mouth is a slippery slope.
Only moderation that’s needed is when dumbasses can only just manage to enter in a riders name as a thread title, or just a single word.

Should be a minimum character set for thread titles, for archiving/searching sake, plus you’ll attract more clicks.

cases in point just from the immediate front page

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Denver,1392700

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Ryder-McNabb,1392721

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/RJ,1392668

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Hand-guards,1392736?unread


I guarantee you’ll get more clicks in your thread if you just frickin elaborated on your topic a bit more.
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They cant bring the block feature soon enough.
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7/12/2021 9:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2021 9:59pm
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you...
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

Maybe you're right. Maybe I should hand the reins over to someone else.

How do you think you'd fare in the hands of a new admin? Smile
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7/12/2021 9:57pm
Ban everyone new Guy B just leave me here please.....The only comment I'm going to make, because this topic is about banning the ungrateful, is that we make some members confirmed contributors. Free shout out to Luxon Mx. I honestly can admit I don't own a single one of there products yet but as a ME and reading their post, information, free data/spreadsheets and builds, they are a solid source of honest information. This forum is the only one I check and it would be nice to see reputable members comments and I don't just mean vendors. F the haters and thank you to all of the people that keep this place running and provide great and honest information and even opinions to us fellow moto enthusiasts.
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7/12/2021 10:00pm
Controlling what people say and putting words in someone's mouth is a slippery slope.
I forgot to add this, your more then welcome to start your own. Best wishes to your future endeavors.
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7/12/2021 10:12pm
Controlling what people say and putting words in someone's mouth is a slippery slope.
tobz wrote:
Only moderation that’s needed is when dumbasses can only just manage to enter in a riders name as a thread title, or just a single word...
Only moderation that’s needed is when dumbasses can only just manage to enter in a riders name as a thread title, or just a single word.

Should be a minimum character set for thread titles, for archiving/searching sake, plus you’ll attract more clicks.

cases in point just from the immediate front page

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Denver,1392700

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Ryder-McNabb,1392721

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/RJ,1392668

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Hand-guards,1392736?unread


I guarantee you’ll get more clicks in your thread if you just frickin elaborated on your topic a bit more.
Sorry....I believe I started a thread titled "Jo Shimoda" last night...
Let me do a few Dyno runs and see if I can a little extra out of it.....
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7/12/2021 10:53pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2021 10:58pm
I only joined this board a short while ago and the first thing I did before posting was read the guidelines, and in those guidelines it explains that this forum does use hands on moderation for respectfulness. So I thought ok, that's how it is around here, and it is.

The title made me wince, some people clearly don't realize what a small world moto is, say it as you would say it to them in person because you basically are.
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7/13/2021 3:05am Edited Date/Time 7/13/2021 3:42am
You do realise you are just as much of a “sheep” but just on the other side of the fence yeah?

It’s an Internet forum, Jesus
Freedoms also apply to people who want to run a business/website as they see fit. But that’s a little too much for some snowflakes to handle.
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Controlling what people say and putting words in someone's mouth is a slippery slope.
tobz wrote:
Only moderation that’s needed is when dumbasses can only just manage to enter in a riders name as a thread title, or just a single word...
Only moderation that’s needed is when dumbasses can only just manage to enter in a riders name as a thread title, or just a single word.

Should be a minimum character set for thread titles, for archiving/searching sake, plus you’ll attract more clicks.

cases in point just from the immediate front page

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Denver,1392700

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Ryder-McNabb,1392721

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/RJ,1392668

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Hand-guards,1392736?unread


I guarantee you’ll get more clicks in your thread if you just frickin elaborated on your topic a bit more.
Boomslang wrote:
Sorry....I believe I started a thread titled "Jo Shimoda" last night... Let me do a few Dyno runs and see if I can a little extra...
Sorry....I believe I started a thread titled "Jo Shimoda" last night...
Let me do a few Dyno runs and see if I can a little extra out of it.....
All good man, it’s just a gruff of mine will continue to happen. It’s not hard to spend a few more words on a topic to encourage more clicks and more discussion.
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tobz wrote:
Only moderation that’s needed is when dumbasses can only just manage to enter in a riders name as a thread title, or just a single word...
Only moderation that’s needed is when dumbasses can only just manage to enter in a riders name as a thread title, or just a single word.

Should be a minimum character set for thread titles, for archiving/searching sake, plus you’ll attract more clicks.

cases in point just from the immediate front page

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Denver,1392700

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Ryder-McNabb,1392721

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/RJ,1392668

https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Hand-guards,1392736?unread


I guarantee you’ll get more clicks in your thread if you just frickin elaborated on your topic a bit more.
Boomslang wrote:
Sorry....I believe I started a thread titled "Jo Shimoda" last night... Let me do a few Dyno runs and see if I can a little extra...
Sorry....I believe I started a thread titled "Jo Shimoda" last night...
Let me do a few Dyno runs and see if I can a little extra out of it.....
tobz wrote:
All good man, it’s just a gruff of mine will continue to happen. It’s not hard to spend a few more words on a topic to...
All good man, it’s just a gruff of mine will continue to happen. It’s not hard to spend a few more words on a topic to encourage more clicks and more discussion.
Maybe I missed your point but no hard feelings...im just bored
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I can't find the moderation forum .... where is it ?
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
I can't find the moderation forum .... where is it ?
I don’t know, but apparently everything’s good in moderation
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7/13/2021 6:51am
Everyone knows all the best admins mod their forums to win.

Replacing the stock titles with aftermarket titles are always the first and easiest way to increase forum performance.
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7/13/2021 7:51am Edited Date/Time 7/13/2021 7:53am
A lot of guys who are mad at title changes or thread deletions are probably the same people who are mad that Facebook deletes their comments. Then goes onto say "...that should be illegal!" lmao. Corporations are considered people. If people (Aka VitalMX) don't want your stupid posts they can remove them. Just like if I were to come to your house and post a sign in your yard saying something you don't like. Would you leave the sign? or would you go out on your front yard and throw it away?
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Sully wrote:
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration...
Steve said in his post to Crush that he draws the line at personal attacks, but you go right ahead and get angry from whichever iteration of your account this one is...
yz133rider wrote:
Saying you suck at your job is pretty light for a personal attack worthy of attention.
You may be right, but to be fair, if i suck at my job (maybe i do) I dont have a bunch of keyboard warriors ragging...
You may be right, but to be fair, if i suck at my job (maybe i do) I dont have a bunch of keyboard warriors ragging about me by name on a forum
Truthfully, most here really don't know if he does a good job or not, because i would say those commenting have no idea about TV production. Weege discussing the technical aspects of the production on Matthes's podcast really opened my eyes to some of the realities involved when it comes to putting a broadast on. and no doubt he is just scratching the surface.
Perhaps Bondo is doing a great job given his limitations/resources, perhaps he is not. I have no idea about his personal abilities.

Thats why there is a difference between saying " the production sucks" and "person X sucks"

I think its a perfectly reasonable line for the mods to draw, its clean and simple. Its much easier to draw the line at no personal attacks, rather than you can attack them a bit, but not too much.
It's interesting to me that many of the responses talk about personal attacks, considering my main gripe is about the fact that a title thread can be and was changed to whatever GuyB felt like. I speak up because if you or any others can't see how that is a slippery slope, and that type of thinking spills out into the real world, well...fuck.

Internet land is not real and I really don't care about what goes on in it. It's like the fluff pieces we are all sick of. They are not motocross racing. Gibby can clip away until the most perfectly curated content exists for his world. There is a high probably I won't be a part of that. That's cool. Whatever.

You do raise some valid points so I will respond to those.

If you suck at your job, you are likely to get feedback in one form or another. Some jobs leave you more exposed than others. Accept it and get better and/or tougher, or move on.

If your job exists to get eyeballs on the product, and the owners of those eyeballs are not happy with the product, you suck at your job. Does that mean there aren't challenges or mistakes along the way? No. But if you aren't using those as opportunities to improve, you will continue to suck at your job and you should lose it eventually.

You are right, there is a difference. There is also a difference between saying "person X sucks" and "person X sucks at their job". However, there is no difference between "the production sucks" and "person X sucks at their job" if person X is in charge of the production.

It is reasonable to draw the line at no personal attacks. I simply don't see "Bondo sucks at his job" as a personal attack. I see it as a less refined or emotionally charged way to communicate to another human being that they are not good at their job. In no way is that a situation that merits not only censorship, but putting words in someone's mouth.
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kNewc wrote:
A lot of guys who are mad at title changes or thread deletions are probably the same people who are mad that Facebook deletes their comments...
A lot of guys who are mad at title changes or thread deletions are probably the same people who are mad that Facebook deletes their comments. Then goes onto say "...that should be illegal!" lmao. Corporations are considered people. If people (Aka VitalMX) don't want your stupid posts they can remove them. Just like if I were to come to your house and post a sign in your yard saying something you don't like. Would you leave the sign? or would you go out on your front yard and throw it away?
Facebook only deletes comments of a certain flavor though. Which combined with their reach and influence does seem to be something that should be illegal.
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yz133rider wrote:
Saying you suck at your job is pretty light for a personal attack worthy of attention.
You may be right, but to be fair, if i suck at my job (maybe i do) I dont have a bunch of keyboard warriors ragging...
You may be right, but to be fair, if i suck at my job (maybe i do) I dont have a bunch of keyboard warriors ragging about me by name on a forum
Truthfully, most here really don't know if he does a good job or not, because i would say those commenting have no idea about TV production. Weege discussing the technical aspects of the production on Matthes's podcast really opened my eyes to some of the realities involved when it comes to putting a broadast on. and no doubt he is just scratching the surface.
Perhaps Bondo is doing a great job given his limitations/resources, perhaps he is not. I have no idea about his personal abilities.

Thats why there is a difference between saying " the production sucks" and "person X sucks"

I think its a perfectly reasonable line for the mods to draw, its clean and simple. Its much easier to draw the line at no personal attacks, rather than you can attack them a bit, but not too much.
It's interesting to me that many of the responses talk about personal attacks, considering my main gripe is about the fact that a title thread can...
It's interesting to me that many of the responses talk about personal attacks, considering my main gripe is about the fact that a title thread can be and was changed to whatever GuyB felt like. I speak up because if you or any others can't see how that is a slippery slope, and that type of thinking spills out into the real world, well...fuck.

Internet land is not real and I really don't care about what goes on in it. It's like the fluff pieces we are all sick of. They are not motocross racing. Gibby can clip away until the most perfectly curated content exists for his world. There is a high probably I won't be a part of that. That's cool. Whatever.

You do raise some valid points so I will respond to those.

If you suck at your job, you are likely to get feedback in one form or another. Some jobs leave you more exposed than others. Accept it and get better and/or tougher, or move on.

If your job exists to get eyeballs on the product, and the owners of those eyeballs are not happy with the product, you suck at your job. Does that mean there aren't challenges or mistakes along the way? No. But if you aren't using those as opportunities to improve, you will continue to suck at your job and you should lose it eventually.

You are right, there is a difference. There is also a difference between saying "person X sucks" and "person X sucks at their job". However, there is no difference between "the production sucks" and "person X sucks at their job" if person X is in charge of the production.

It is reasonable to draw the line at no personal attacks. I simply don't see "Bondo sucks at his job" as a personal attack. I see it as a less refined or emotionally charged way to communicate to another human being that they are not good at their job. In no way is that a situation that merits not only censorship, but putting words in someone's mouth.
holy keyboard diarrhea...
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7/13/2021 7:57am
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you...
For real man. The powers that be won't even let us see who downvotes something LOL

Here's a thought experiment....if I titled this thread "Gibby, you suck at your job", which of course I would never do, do you think the title would get adjusted? Or do you think I'd be instaclipped?

GuyB wrote:
Maybe you're right. Maybe I should hand the reins over to someone else. How do you think you'd fare in the hands of a new admin...
Maybe you're right. Maybe I should hand the reins over to someone else.

How do you think you'd fare in the hands of a new admin? Smile
I clearly don't give a shit if you clip me and I also won't give a shit if they do.

I would appreciate the opportunity to find out though Smile
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