Plessinger staying at Star?

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Drfletcher 6/22/2021 8:43am
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I hope he stays with the Yamaha. I would hate for Yamaha to let him go like they did with Webb then watch him win 2 championships on a different bike.
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RichieW13 6/22/2021 9:52am
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fourfourone wrote:
If a team pulls the right of refusal card, I would think it would create some animosity between rider and team?
I wouldn't think so. If I got a better job offer, and my current boss decided to match it, I would be fine with that.

I don't think they would try to retain him if there was animosity.
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fourfourone 6/22/2021 9:56am
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fourfourone wrote:
If a team pulls the right of refusal card, I would think it would create some animosity between rider and team?
RichieW13 wrote:
I wouldn't think so. If I got a better job offer, and my current boss decided to match it, I would be fine with that. I...
I wouldn't think so. If I got a better job offer, and my current boss decided to match it, I would be fine with that.

I don't think they would try to retain him if there was animosity.
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave.

I know AP talks very highly of the improvements on the bike but so do most riders when its the team signing your pay checks.
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RichieW13 6/22/2021 10:01am
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fourfourone wrote:
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave. I know...
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave.

I know AP talks very highly of the improvements on the bike but so do most riders when its the team signing your pay checks.
Yeah, that's not an impossible situation.

But I think if that were the case, Plessinger could just tell them that he doesn't really want to stay with Star Racing and wants the new KTM job, depending how adamant he was, then Star might let him leave. I don't think they would want to keep an unhappy rider.
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fourfourone 6/22/2021 10:19am
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fourfourone wrote:
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave. I know...
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave.

I know AP talks very highly of the improvements on the bike but so do most riders when its the team signing your pay checks.
RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, that's not an impossible situation. But I think if that were the case, Plessinger could just tell them that he doesn't really want to stay...
Yeah, that's not an impossible situation.

But I think if that were the case, Plessinger could just tell them that he doesn't really want to stay with Star Racing and wants the new KTM job, depending how adamant he was, then Star might let him leave. I don't think they would want to keep an unhappy rider.
people wouldn't be looking for other offers and get that close to making a deal happen if they truly were 100% happy with their current team. Its not always amount money either. Look at ET3.
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fourfourone wrote:
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave. I know...
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave.

I know AP talks very highly of the improvements on the bike but so do most riders when its the team signing your pay checks.
RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, that's not an impossible situation. But I think if that were the case, Plessinger could just tell them that he doesn't really want to stay...
Yeah, that's not an impossible situation.

But I think if that were the case, Plessinger could just tell them that he doesn't really want to stay with Star Racing and wants the new KTM job, depending how adamant he was, then Star might let him leave. I don't think they would want to keep an unhappy rider.
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people wouldn't be looking for other offers and get that close to making a deal happen if they truly were 100% happy with their current team...
people wouldn't be looking for other offers and get that close to making a deal happen if they truly were 100% happy with their current team. Its not always amount money either. Look at ET3.
They started talking last year. Long before Star changed the bike. He was basing it off of being unhappy with Factory Yamaha and the bike. Current is a much different story
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fourfourone wrote:
people wouldn't be looking for other offers and get that close to making a deal happen if they truly were 100% happy with their current team...
people wouldn't be looking for other offers and get that close to making a deal happen if they truly were 100% happy with their current team. Its not always amount money either. Look at ET3.
I get what you are saying and I really appreciate RichieW13's point of view. In my opinion, you have made an assumption that AP was looking for offers elsewhere. I think it would be a situation closer to what happened with Webb, KTM called him out of the blue and he was flabbergasted they were interested.

I love a good drama story - especially when it involves Yamaha - but, I don't think AP or Star has any ill feelings. AP is probably feeling like a teenager again having all these potential suitors to choose from.
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fourfourone wrote:
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave. I know...
Everyone down votes my comment but what if you were really excited about a new job but your current employer won't let you leave.

I know AP talks very highly of the improvements on the bike but so do most riders when its the team signing your pay checks.
RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, that's not an impossible situation. But I think if that were the case, Plessinger could just tell them that he doesn't really want to stay...
Yeah, that's not an impossible situation.

But I think if that were the case, Plessinger could just tell them that he doesn't really want to stay with Star Racing and wants the new KTM job, depending how adamant he was, then Star might let him leave. I don't think they would want to keep an unhappy rider.
This is exactly right. And the other thing is....does AP look even remotely unhappy lately? He's doing well, jelling with the bike, getting good results, loves the team and loves the owner. I seriously doubt he's going to shed any tears if Star matches Ktm's offer. I don't know how they pull this off, but Bobby Regan seems to pull money out of nowhere and clearly puts his team ahead of turning a profit. How long that lasts is anyone's guess. I was never thrilled about this Tomac thing to begin with, especially if it meant losing Plessinger. Plessinger is going to be here for a while and who knows about Tomac or even which Tomac you're going to get.
inthebadboycorner 6/22/2021 11:42am
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With talk in Europe that the mx group may be down sizing to only one factory ktm, husky and gas gas, mabe also ktm have changed their minds?
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If this is true, who do you think KTM try and get in instead of him or do they stick with Coop and Marvin for another...
If this is true, who do you think KTM try and get in instead of him or do they stick with Coop and Marvin for another year then go from there?
KTM could do a lot worse. Besides...just because a rider like Pless has started to come into his own and is going faster than ever, it doesn't mean he would automatically be a winner on a KTM. I'd say that right now, the Star Yamaha is as good a bike as the factory KTM is...at least outdoors.
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MotoMan12345 wrote:
Keefer said possibly Joey going to Red Bull ktm if AP doesn’t
So he's magically gonna jump up 10 spots on basically the same factory bike?
If he does it says a lot more about his attitude and level of effort he's putting in for RM KTM because he's not on THE "factory team" and the would be a slap in the face of the team he's currently on.
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Lightning78 wrote:
So he's magically gonna jump up 10 spots on basically the same factory bike? If he does it says a lot more about his attitude and...
So he's magically gonna jump up 10 spots on basically the same factory bike?
If he does it says a lot more about his attitude and level of effort he's putting in for RM KTM because he's not on THE "factory team" and the would be a slap in the face of the team he's currently on.
Maybe his current team isn't paying him?

You know what they say "You get what you pay for."
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jevyguy wrote:
I heard it too. Yamaha might be using the first right of refusal
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Doesn't that just mean they have the right to match but if KTM ups then it's back to them?
Maybe, but if it is true then a new contract would have to be drawn up and signed by both parties. Obviously I have no clue what goes on logistically but I would guess that if the team uses their first right of refusal then it voids or changes the conditions of the new contract.
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Husky and KTM could be in trouble after this year. Marvin most likely has 1 year left and Anderson is leaving. Zach and his back and over 30 might be tough. Webb might be the last contender standing for the next couple of years.
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mb60 wrote:
Husky and KTM could be in trouble after this year. Marvin most likely has 1 year left and Anderson is leaving. Zach and his back and...
Husky and KTM could be in trouble after this year. Marvin most likely has 1 year left and Anderson is leaving. Zach and his back and over 30 might be tough. Webb might be the last contender standing for the next couple of years.
Maybe that's the opportunity Jeremy Martin would need to finally get a 450 ride.
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DawsonBMX54 6/22/2021 3:06pm
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jevyguy wrote:
I heard it too. Yamaha might be using the first right of refusal
Can someone explain what the right of refusal is?
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jevyguy wrote:
I heard it too. Yamaha might be using the first right of refusal
DawsonBMX54 wrote:
Can someone explain what the right of refusal is?
They are worthless and that time has come and gone . My guess he will be on a orange bike unless the Tomac deal went sideways or he saw how bad the KTM is outdoors and changed his mind. IMO
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jevyguy 6/22/2021 4:40pm
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jevyguy wrote:
I heard it too. Yamaha might be using the first right of refusal
DawsonBMX54 wrote:
Can someone explain what the right of refusal is?
Here is how I understand it.
AP signs a contract to go to KTM for 2022.
Yamaha has the ability (which is the first right of refusal) to match the offer he signed for at KTM which legally makes him have to stay at Yamaha.
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Bacon_n_Egg'r 6/22/2021 4:58pm
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He should stay on the Yamaha. He looks outstandable.
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Beyond Cooper's turnaround since going orange, is KTM's star power/lure dropping compared to recent years in the riders' eyes? Especially if the training contract with Aldon is up and potentially not being re-upped?

Or is it still the number 1 team to aim to be on?
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
With talk in Europe that the mx group may be down sizing to only one factory ktm, husky and gas gas, mabe also ktm have changed...
With talk in Europe that the mx group may be down sizing to only one factory ktm, husky and gas gas, mabe also ktm have changed their minds?
Care to elaborate?
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mb60 wrote:
Husky and KTM could be in trouble after this year. Marvin most likely has 1 year left and Anderson is leaving. Zach and his back and...
Husky and KTM could be in trouble after this year. Marvin most likely has 1 year left and Anderson is leaving. Zach and his back and over 30 might be tough. Webb might be the last contender standing for the next couple of years.
As long as Webb delivers in SX (+Osbourne & Barcia & Musquin), Austria will be fine for a year or 2. You bet they've looked at the 250 guns and further down the roaster.

In 2023 with Cooper and Nichols moving up, Star will have one too many riders. I'm sure KTM would love to have DF14 a la place de MM25 after he retires and Husky would have expected RJ to have a championship by now and head to the big bikes.

That being said, KTM should consider to bring one Euro despite what happened last year, Vialle sounds like the ideal candidate but you have other guys like TK Olson or maybe even Jonass if he doesn't deliver this year or younger kids.

I couldn't care less about any team in particular though, so the closer the competition is the better for us as fans.
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inthebadboycorner 6/22/2021 7:56pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
With talk in Europe that the mx group may be down sizing to only one factory ktm, husky and gas gas, mabe also ktm have changed...
With talk in Europe that the mx group may be down sizing to only one factory ktm, husky and gas gas, mabe also ktm have changed their minds?
RalphS wrote:
Care to elaborate?
Gate drop had an article on my Facebook feed, saying that the Ktm group were down sizing the amount of riders in the factory ktm, husky and gas gas teams.
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inthebadboycorner 6/22/2021 7:57pm
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Sorry, if your contract is up, are you not a free agent to go where you want?
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RichieW13 6/22/2021 8:09pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Sorry, if your contract is up, are you not a free agent to go where you want?
It depends what contract you signed to begin with.
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Thisusernameisavailable 6/22/2021 9:13pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Sorry, if your contract is up, are you not a free agent to go where you want?
Not if the contract you signed contained clauses as ‘First right of refusal’.

Plenty people in this thread view the ‘FRoR’ as a negative thing. But what about the positives to it??
It works like this..

Rider signs contract with Yamaha for $500k
Contract term expires so KTM show an interest and offer him $500k for a term.
But the rider has hit form, so Yamaha are really keen to keep him, so using the ‘FRoR’ Yamaha have to offer $550k to re-sign him.
BUT, KTM are still really keen to get him on board, so they offer $600k..
BUT Yamaha see that he’s a great asset to them, so they have to offer $650k to keep him.. and the negotiations continue. All the while the riders worth is increasing nicely.

A ‘FRoR’ clause is not a negative thing.

*completely made up figures for example purposes only.*
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Mavetism wrote:
Anstie would be a perfect fit.
ButteryWaffles wrote:
Just like Alex Ray was a good fit for factory Yamaha.
I’m an A Ray fan…but that was funny
inthebadboycorner 6/23/2021 2:16am
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Sorry, if your contract is up, are you not a free agent to go where you want?
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Not if the contract you signed contained clauses as ‘First right of refusal’. Plenty people in this thread view the ‘FRoR’ as a negative thing. But...
Not if the contract you signed contained clauses as ‘First right of refusal’.

Plenty people in this thread view the ‘FRoR’ as a negative thing. But what about the positives to it??
It works like this..

Rider signs contract with Yamaha for $500k
Contract term expires so KTM show an interest and offer him $500k for a term.
But the rider has hit form, so Yamaha are really keen to keep him, so using the ‘FRoR’ Yamaha have to offer $550k to re-sign him.
BUT, KTM are still really keen to get him on board, so they offer $600k..
BUT Yamaha see that he’s a great asset to them, so they have to offer $650k to keep him.. and the negotiations continue. All the while the riders worth is increasing nicely.

A ‘FRoR’ clause is not a negative thing.

*completely made up figures for example purposes only.*
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gregyou 6/23/2021 4:08am
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Can’t wait to see the 22 Yamaha maybe they’re thinking the bike is going to be better again
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