Why do riders Sandbag C class?

GoggleFiend904 6/2/2021 2:17pm
6/2/2021 2:17pm
Sandbagging c was huge in district 37 big 6 because b class raced 1.5 hours instead of 45 min. That changed last year and b is in the 45 minute race, but a c rider still wins sometimes. So the bagging is still present.. I’d guess the kid winning c is a mx rider and realistically a fast b rider
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Mark Hite 6/2/2021 3:03pm
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Press516 wrote:
There is no honor among thieves.... That's C class MX today. In my race days, it was Novice, Intermediate and Expert. And if you had 2...
There is no honor among thieves.... That's C class MX today.


In my race days, it was Novice, Intermediate and Expert. And if you had 2 wins in any class you were automatically bumped up. We always wanted to bump up as quickly as possible. You always get faster chasing/racing guys that are faster than you. Why stunt your growth staying back with slower guys? There were always guys that raced with you at other tracks and would call you out if you tried to sandbag...
Growing up in Vegas it took two wins to go from Novice to Intermediate, and four wins to go from Intermediate to Expert, or a combination wins and top threes. And if I remember correctly, if the class you won was real small, that win did not count towards advancement. It was not perfect, but everyone's goal was to get to run the white expert number plate, so people advanced pretty quickly. I don't know about now but there was no shame in running near the back of the expert class because everyone knew what it took to get there.
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FWYT 6/2/2021 3:24pm
6/2/2021 3:24pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2021 9:19pm
lostboy819 wrote:
All I see in this thread is a bunch of C riders who can't win the C class, whining because of faster C riders who they...
All I see in this thread is a bunch of C riders who can't win the C class, whining because of faster C riders who they claim are sandbagging. Man up and ride the B class then so you don't have to race the sandbaggers, but wait you wont win that class either. Blush
Shouldn't the sandbaggers, regardless of class be the ones to "man up" and move up a class?
And yes, I never win. I am perfectly fine with that! I just like good clean fun competition.
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FIREfish148 6/2/2021 3:36pm
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I used to be friends with a kid that raced c class at Lorettas back in 2006 I think? Kid was a phenomenal talent and his parents put everything into it trying to get him to the top. I thought for sure he was going to destroy the field that year at Lorettas but there was a kid from New Mexico that was sand bagging even more than him apparently.

Its just a part of the sport really though. If you put your time in and get beat over and over again you want to be the top dog eventually to get some confidence and recognition.
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Joe.kersanty 6/2/2021 5:13pm
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This has been going on for 20+ years. I knew kids in Michigan back in 1997 that did this crap. All for a title at Loretta’s. Who wants a C class title?
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profeshenal125 6/2/2021 5:37pm
6/2/2021 5:37pm
Some 125 c riders move to 125 b and here the same thing, sand bagger. Racing the nuclear series in Byron iL., team green,s Chad Johnson always went 1,1 in 125 b. It didn’t bother me that he was there,it made it more exciting. I just knew I better be on my game . If I wanted to make a race out of it. I would see him for 1/2 a lap and it was like wow. He was so perfect and quick on every inch of the track. It was a tight technical sx layout.
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lostboy819 wrote:
All I see in this thread is a bunch of C riders who can't win the C class, whining because of faster C riders who they...
All I see in this thread is a bunch of C riders who can't win the C class, whining because of faster C riders who they claim are sandbagging. Man up and ride the B class then so you don't have to race the sandbaggers, but wait you wont win that class either. Blush
Here’s captain sandbagger.
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profeshenal125 6/2/2021 5:49pm
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Ps I don’t think Chad ever raced 125 c.
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ajk423 6/2/2021 6:13pm
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While on the subject, there should be no such thing as 450 C, if you're a C rider there's no reason to be on a 450. That's one class that can be eliminated to make the day go a little quicker
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Brent 6/2/2021 6:28pm
6/2/2021 6:28pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2021 6:32pm
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While on the subject, there should be no such thing as 450 C, if you're a C rider there's no reason to be on a 450...
While on the subject, there should be no such thing as 450 C, if you're a C rider there's no reason to be on a 450. That's one class that can be eliminated to make the day go a little quicker
I see a bunch of 450 Novices, both young and old at local races around here. the have slower lap times but they do okay, hardly any of them crash.

for the most part people who buy a 450 respect the bike and know their limits - of course there are always idiots who "used to be sponsored by the factory" 25 years ago, but they normally dont have the balls to actually show up at the track on race day.
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Tarz483 6/2/2021 6:42pm
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LOOnatic wrote:
Off road moto racing has the same problem so it's not strictly due to the allure of Loretta's.
RCB33 wrote:
The woods series I race has percentile rank on overall results. As such, sandbagging doesn't seem to last very long. When you stand out that heavily...
The woods series I race has percentile rank on overall results. As such, sandbagging doesn't seem to last very long. When you stand out that heavily in results, people have a tendency to bump themselves rather quickly. For example: Sportsman rider beating all but two people in the next class overall the past 3 races generally gets picked up on either by the rider or others. Not a perfect system but it definitely helps, mx having percentile of the fastest dude at the track would surely help highlight sandbagging at least a little bit. When I race MX I feel like the problem is more noticeable because there's no way to show quantitatively that the person is possibly sandbagging.

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This is EXCELLENT I would love to see this everywhere, It would be interesting to see how the 85 and super mini's do against the C...
This is EXCELLENT I would love to see this everywhere, It would be interesting to see how the 85 and super mini's do against the C class also Smile
I meant if they were keeping times not on the track at the same time
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Secret_Squirrel27 6/2/2021 6:49pm
6/2/2021 6:49pm
There is no fix. You want lap times as a judge. Then the sand baggers will sand bag times as well. It doesn’t matter what rule is in place, people find a way around it to get what they want. At the end of the day.. the kid sand bagging your kid isn’t going anywhere professionally and neither is your kid. Just go race and have fun.
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kylemenz1 6/2/2021 7:29pm
6/2/2021 7:29pm
Part of the problem is that there are so many different promoters. There are so many different race series that there is really no way to keep track of skill levels.

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Tarz483 6/2/2021 7:52pm
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Secret_Squirrel27 wrote:
There is no fix. You want lap times as a judge. Then the sand baggers will sand bag times as well. It doesn’t matter what rule...
There is no fix. You want lap times as a judge. Then the sand baggers will sand bag times as well. It doesn’t matter what rule is in place, people find a way around it to get what they want. At the end of the day.. the kid sand bagging your kid isn’t going anywhere professionally and neither is your kid. Just go race and have fun.
If they sandbag the lap times in the race then they wont win. So I honestly think that is a good starting point.
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Graybeard 6/3/2021 7:11am
6/3/2021 7:11am
I like the way they do it at some So Cal races either a true beginner class. Back in the ‘80s we managed it pretty easily by having a point system to move riders through the classes. Beginner was for riders who have only been racing for 1 year (managed by the promoter based on their entry logs). After that Novice, Intermediate and Pro classes earned points throughout the year, and there was a defined cutoff for advancing the following year.

Pretty straight forward, and the “exceptions” (sandbaggers, new riders from different areas or states showing up) were handled by the promoter directly and informed that they would be moved up at the next race if things were really amiss.
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nealb129 6/3/2021 1:45pm
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piscokid wrote:
We raced a ton of AQ for LL and I was amazed at how many kids we raced against in 125c that LIVED at MTF or...
We raced a ton of AQ for LL and I was amazed at how many kids we raced against in 125c that LIVED at MTF or ClubMX and were racing in that class. We raced 250c JR Limited also and the same training camp kids win that class on a 125. Come on man, move the hell up....Crazy.
I’ve got to ask.. what was there plan after LL’s in C class?Holy crap that’s a lot of money for a class that is not going to get you a factory ride
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Mark Hite 6/3/2021 3:59pm
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idiotic isaac wrote:
The issue is the speed difference from national level C riders and local C riders. If C riders ever do a race in B class and...
The issue is the speed difference from national level C riders and local C riders. If C riders ever do a race in B class and its recorded they can't do C class again, locally or nationally. National level C riders have to do local races in C class where they could probably win B or even A. Once they go to a national they'll most likely be well within the competition. The fix would be separating local and nation racing. Theres also X amount of fast people at local races. Wether you move more of X from C to B or however you want it someones always not gonna be happy because someone in there class is too fast.
I think you hit the nail on the head, there is a huge difference in speed between national riders and local riders. What is needed is more organization's like American Retro Cross that runs out of Glen Helen, it is very laid back and family oriented. I took my two grandson's to do their first motocross races and they had a blast. The races had full gates many different classes combined so they always had someone to race with. My youngest could care less he was dicing out with a vintage CZ, you could not shut him up on the way home. This type of racing is not about padding a resume or qualifying for LL, it's about what drew us all to riding and racing in the first place, it was fun!
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NITRODOG 6/4/2021 3:47pm
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ajk423 wrote:
While on the subject, there should be no such thing as 450 C, if you're a C rider there's no reason to be on a 450...
While on the subject, there should be no such thing as 450 C, if you're a C rider there's no reason to be on a 450. That's one class that can be eliminated to make the day go a little quicker
most of the 450C riders are on 250's........
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