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ljubljanamx 3/6/2021 7:39pm
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Did copper touch Roczen in that turn? Didn’t look like it.
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hamncheeze 3/6/2021 7:40pm
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The problem I see for Roczen is that interview just gives Webb ammo.
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Guys, I'm sorry....I'm watching that shit again!! For Dale!!!!!
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Park Boys wrote:
If your looking on the bright side for Ken, he has been charging hard late in these races. Fastest lap of the race on lap 16...
If your looking on the bright side for Ken, he has been charging hard late in these races. Fastest lap of the race on lap 16. He’s not fading.
There are 3 speedway races in Atlanta (I don’t Tomac loses too many of those) and 3 in Salt Lake where Tomac and Webb have done well. This series is about to get awesome like 2011 and 2006. This is great.
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If Webb thinks he needs to take him wide maybe Kenny is in his head more than the other way round. Lol My money is still...
If Webb thinks he needs to take him wide maybe Kenny is in his head more than the other way round. Lol
My money is still on Kenny. Hats off to Webb though, can't take anything away from that ride
I agree with this comment. Webb knew had Roczen been up front, Webb is not catching him. Roczen drops the hammer right away.
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Good luck trying that shit with Cooper, Kenny, see how that works out for you.
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Crush, you never fail coming across as douche bag on this site. Stfu for once.
Wtf are you talking about. I’m not talking shit, every time he’s tried to play games with Coop he’s come off second best.

Statement of facts. Coop is the last person anyone but maybe Barcia should play games with.
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Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come into it the more it swings in Webb’s favour. Webb knows he hasn’t got the pace most nights to beat Kenny if he gets the start, that’s why he gave up a lead to screw Kenny up in the second turn, if Roczen keeps nailing starts and racking up podiums he has this, that’s all he needs to focus on
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I just, I just don't like Webb.
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bogle's leg 3/6/2021 7:42pm
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They're clearly both in eachother's heads. Webb plays the mind games with Roczen because he knows it gets under his skin. But Webb does these things because he knows most nights Roczen has him beat straight up on speed. Roczen's not wrong to say Webb is afraid of him - that's why he pulled that stunt on the start.

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str8line 3/6/2021 7:44pm
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That's a man's ride from Sexton with stitches, black eyes and chipped teeth to get 8th.
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ljubljanamx 3/6/2021 7:47pm
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They're clearly both in eachother's heads. Webb plays the mind games with Roczen because he knows it gets under his skin. But Webb does these things...
They're clearly both in eachother's heads. Webb plays the mind games with Roczen because he knows it gets under his skin. But Webb does these things because he knows most nights Roczen has him beat straight up on speed. Roczen's not wrong to say Webb is afraid of him - that's why he pulled that stunt on the start.

I’m pretty sure Kenny isn’t in coopers head. Cooper has outscored Kenny over the last 5 races.
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RG1 wrote:
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come...
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come into it the more it swings in Webb’s favour. Webb knows he hasn’t got the pace most nights to beat Kenny if he gets the start, that’s why he gave up a lead to screw Kenny up in the second turn, if Roczen keeps nailing starts and racking up podiums he has this, that’s all he needs to focus on

Ken's fastest lap time was 1 second faster than Cooper's. And Cooper was nearly one second off most of the top five guys. But he just gets it done. Gotta respect his hard-nosed riding.

I think Ken is especially pissed that Cooper not only held him off but got AP at the end to put a rider between them.
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RG1 wrote:
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come...
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come into it the more it swings in Webb’s favour. Webb knows he hasn’t got the pace most nights to beat Kenny if he gets the start, that’s why he gave up a lead to screw Kenny up in the second turn, if Roczen keeps nailing starts and racking up podiums he has this, that’s all he needs to focus on
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then in the motospy (I think) he mentioned he's gone past all that stuff..
So maybe he'll get his head straight after he's settled down cause as others have mentioned Kenny thinking about Webb is exactly what Webb wants..
I would be stoked if Ken fucken smashes the doors off him next round but I don't think he should
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drenmaster 3/6/2021 7:53pm
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ljubljanamx wrote:
Did copper touch Roczen in that turn? Didn’t look like it.
I watched it again and i do not see what the big deal is.. so webb pushed him wide? And you guys are calling on KR to out webb in the dirt for that?

Edit.. didnt mean to quote you on that.
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Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come...
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come into it the more it swings in Webb’s favour. Webb knows he hasn’t got the pace most nights to beat Kenny if he gets the start, that’s why he gave up a lead to screw Kenny up in the second turn, if Roczen keeps nailing starts and racking up podiums he has this, that’s all he needs to focus on
jemcee wrote:
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then...
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then in the motospy (I think) he mentioned he's gone past all that stuff..
So maybe he'll get his head straight after he's settled down cause as others have mentioned Kenny thinking about Webb is exactly what Webb wants..
I would be stoked if Ken fucken smashes the doors off him next round but I don't think he should
People read too much into post race interviews at times. Tensions are still high and you need a chance to come down a bit before you start thinking clearly. I understand why Roczen was pissed, he gave Webb the opportunity to screw him off the start and he rode terribly, by his standards, for 5 mins in the middle of the race. He gave up points that he shouldn’t have done for the speed that he had on the night, of course you would be rattled by that. But when he gets home and focusses on next week he’ll be well served to remember what got him to the points leader at this stage, and that’s just enjoying the racing and focusing on himself
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Ted722 wrote:
Wow, difference in Webb and Pless on last lap times 3.6 seconds. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/06/481900/s1200_Screenshot_2021_03_06_at_7.19.36_PM.jpg[/img]
Wow, difference in Webb and Pless on last lap times 3.6 seconds.


Segments times of last lap. Segment 3 (1.2 sec) diff. and Segment 4 (2.2 sec.) diff.
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jemcee wrote:
Def something going on with Kenny's tongue mouth setup haha
Didnt look like a mouth piece, maybe he got new veneers on his teeth? They do make ppl talk funny for awhile.
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Crush wrote:
Good luck trying that shit with Cooper, Kenny, see how that works out for you.
JT Moto wrote:
Crush, you never fail coming across as douche bag on this site. Stfu for once.
Crush wrote:
Wtf are you talking about. I’m not talking shit, every time he’s tried to play games with Coop he’s come off second best. Statement of facts...
Wtf are you talking about. I’m not talking shit, every time he’s tried to play games with Coop he’s come off second best.

Statement of facts. Coop is the last person anyone but maybe Barcia should play games with.
Don't worry about these new kids on Vital CRUSH. buncha Ribbon Kids
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Ted722 wrote:
Wow, difference in Webb and Pless on last lap times 3.6 seconds. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/06/481900/s1200_Screenshot_2021_03_06_at_7.19.36_PM.jpg[/img]
Wow, difference in Webb and Pless on last lap times 3.6 seconds.


Ted722 wrote:
Segments times of last lap. Segment 3 (1.2 sec) diff. and Segment 4 (2.2 sec.) diff. Webb [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/06/481906/s1200_Screenshot_2021_03_06_at_7.50.19_PM.jpg[/img] Plessinger [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/06/481907/s1200_Screenshot_2021_03_06_at_7.49.00_PM.jpg[/img]
Segments times of last lap. Segment 3 (1.2 sec) diff. and Segment 4 (2.2 sec.) diff.
Webb

Plessinger

Pless screwed one of the rhythm lanes.
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Nighttrain 3/6/2021 8:02pm
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RG1 wrote:
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come...
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come into it the more it swings in Webb’s favour. Webb knows he hasn’t got the pace most nights to beat Kenny if he gets the start, that’s why he gave up a lead to screw Kenny up in the second turn, if Roczen keeps nailing starts and racking up podiums he has this, that’s all he needs to focus on
jemcee wrote:
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then...
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then in the motospy (I think) he mentioned he's gone past all that stuff..
So maybe he'll get his head straight after he's settled down cause as others have mentioned Kenny thinking about Webb is exactly what Webb wants..
I would be stoked if Ken fucken smashes the doors off him next round but I don't think he should
Sorry to you both that’s not how it went down in Daytona. Roczen was on Webb’s wheel in perfect position with a few minutes left in the Main. He ended up gapped, two spots down with a cringey post race interview. There’s lot of racing left so let’s look forward to some close battles. Don’t count Tomac out just yet, either.
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ljubljanamx wrote:
Did copper touch Roczen in that turn? Didn’t look like it.
drenmaster wrote:
I watched it again and i do not see what the big deal is.. so webb pushed him wide? And you guys are calling on KR...
I watched it again and i do not see what the big deal is.. so webb pushed him wide? And you guys are calling on KR to out webb in the dirt for that?

Edit.. didnt mean to quote you on that.
It wasn’t dirty by any means, but if Webb just takes the inside rut there he has the lead and a clear track to race away into. He sacrificed a lead to make sure Kenny got a shitty start. Which is fine, they’re going for a title, but if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes, expect the same to come back at you at some point
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ljubljanamx 3/6/2021 8:06pm
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RG1 wrote:
It wasn’t dirty by any means, but if Webb just takes the inside rut there he has the lead and a clear track to race away...
It wasn’t dirty by any means, but if Webb just takes the inside rut there he has the lead and a clear track to race away into. He sacrificed a lead to make sure Kenny got a shitty start. Which is fine, they’re going for a title, but if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes, expect the same to come back at you at some point
Dudes in sx get pushed wide and block passed 10 times a race. Coopers move was probably one of 50 in that last main event.
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biscuit11 3/6/2021 8:07pm
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Rain 5 min from the track on the way home. We got lucky tonight lol
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RG1 wrote:
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come...
Kenny just needs to focus on himself, not let anyone rattle him, between him and Webb he is the best guy, the more mind games come into it the more it swings in Webb’s favour. Webb knows he hasn’t got the pace most nights to beat Kenny if he gets the start, that’s why he gave up a lead to screw Kenny up in the second turn, if Roczen keeps nailing starts and racking up podiums he has this, that’s all he needs to focus on
jemcee wrote:
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then...
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then in the motospy (I think) he mentioned he's gone past all that stuff..
So maybe he'll get his head straight after he's settled down cause as others have mentioned Kenny thinking about Webb is exactly what Webb wants..
I would be stoked if Ken fucken smashes the doors off him next round but I don't think he should
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Sorry to you both that’s not how it went down in Daytona. Roczen was on Webb’s wheel in perfect position with a few minutes left in...
Sorry to you both that’s not how it went down in Daytona. Roczen was on Webb’s wheel in perfect position with a few minutes left in the Main. He ended up gapped, two spots down with a cringey post race interview. There’s lot of racing left so let’s look forward to some close battles. Don’t count Tomac out just yet, either.
Roczen had the fastest lap of the race and it was nearly a second faster than Webb’s fastest. Which is my point, most of the time Roczen is the fastest guy between them and if he gets in front of Webb then Webb won’t be able to match him, but if Webb gets in front like tonight then it’s different ball game. He’s very savvy, one of the hardest guys to pass in the world, but most of the time Kenny is the faster of the two and over the course of the season if he doesn’t get involved in any silly games then that should win out. Don’t forget that he came from a fair way back to get to Webb too
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Do it for Dale!!!! AP is so awesome, I wish he could have hung on for second. For his, and Eli's sake. Awesome ride by AP, so stoked for him.
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jemcee wrote:
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then...
Was about to say this as well.. I remember when Kenny was going through his 'alpha dog' stage and it did nothing for his results, then in the motospy (I think) he mentioned he's gone past all that stuff..
So maybe he'll get his head straight after he's settled down cause as others have mentioned Kenny thinking about Webb is exactly what Webb wants..
I would be stoked if Ken fucken smashes the doors off him next round but I don't think he should
Nighttrain wrote:
Sorry to you both that’s not how it went down in Daytona. Roczen was on Webb’s wheel in perfect position with a few minutes left in...
Sorry to you both that’s not how it went down in Daytona. Roczen was on Webb’s wheel in perfect position with a few minutes left in the Main. He ended up gapped, two spots down with a cringey post race interview. There’s lot of racing left so let’s look forward to some close battles. Don’t count Tomac out just yet, either.
RG1 wrote:
Roczen had the fastest lap of the race and it was nearly a second faster than Webb’s fastest. Which is my point, most of the time...
Roczen had the fastest lap of the race and it was nearly a second faster than Webb’s fastest. Which is my point, most of the time Roczen is the fastest guy between them and if he gets in front of Webb then Webb won’t be able to match him, but if Webb gets in front like tonight then it’s different ball game. He’s very savvy, one of the hardest guys to pass in the world, but most of the time Kenny is the faster of the two and over the course of the season if he doesn’t get involved in any silly games then that should win out. Don’t forget that he came from a fair way back to get to Webb too
How many times has Webb passed Roczen on the last lap?
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Nighttrain wrote:
Sorry to you both that’s not how it went down in Daytona. Roczen was on Webb’s wheel in perfect position with a few minutes left in...
Sorry to you both that’s not how it went down in Daytona. Roczen was on Webb’s wheel in perfect position with a few minutes left in the Main. He ended up gapped, two spots down with a cringey post race interview. There’s lot of racing left so let’s look forward to some close battles. Don’t count Tomac out just yet, either.
RG1 wrote:
Roczen had the fastest lap of the race and it was nearly a second faster than Webb’s fastest. Which is my point, most of the time...
Roczen had the fastest lap of the race and it was nearly a second faster than Webb’s fastest. Which is my point, most of the time Roczen is the fastest guy between them and if he gets in front of Webb then Webb won’t be able to match him, but if Webb gets in front like tonight then it’s different ball game. He’s very savvy, one of the hardest guys to pass in the world, but most of the time Kenny is the faster of the two and over the course of the season if he doesn’t get involved in any silly games then that should win out. Don’t forget that he came from a fair way back to get to Webb too
ljubljanamx wrote:
How many times has Webb passed Roczen on the last lap?
Not as many times as Roczen has won the race with Webb nowhere near him
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ljubljanamx 3/6/2021 8:16pm
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RG1 wrote:
Roczen had the fastest lap of the race and it was nearly a second faster than Webb’s fastest. Which is my point, most of the time...
Roczen had the fastest lap of the race and it was nearly a second faster than Webb’s fastest. Which is my point, most of the time Roczen is the fastest guy between them and if he gets in front of Webb then Webb won’t be able to match him, but if Webb gets in front like tonight then it’s different ball game. He’s very savvy, one of the hardest guys to pass in the world, but most of the time Kenny is the faster of the two and over the course of the season if he doesn’t get involved in any silly games then that should win out. Don’t forget that he came from a fair way back to get to Webb too
ljubljanamx wrote:
How many times has Webb passed Roczen on the last lap?
RG1 wrote:
Not as many times as Roczen has won the race with Webb nowhere near him
Who’s won the most races the last 3 years? Webb or Roczen?
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ljubljanamx wrote:
How many times has Webb passed Roczen on the last lap?
RG1 wrote:
Not as many times as Roczen has won the race with Webb nowhere near him
ljubljanamx wrote:
Who’s won the most races the last 3 years? Webb or Roczen?
Who's got 1 450 SX title?
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Roczen seems to be past his late race fades so I think it's fair to give the speed advantage to Roczen most nights. The one late race pass we saw this year had a lapper play a major role. If Webb was confident he had KR covered speed wise he wouldn't bother with this taking him wide stuff. It's not a knock against Webb either. Just pointing out the differences between the two rider's strengths.
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