Varner Motorsports issues

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12/11/2020 10:51am
Just stay on him....That's what I had to do. 20 months for a full mod is very excessive but I finally got it back. Lesson Learned...



It will be 24 months December 18th.

I call every week etc. Always the same story. I'll get it done.
you sir have the patience of a monk.
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12/11/2020 11:32am
I heard he’s waiting on an order of woodruff keys to come in
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He said Tom Morgan is holding him up 🤣
Maybe Capt Morgan?


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12/11/2020 1:05pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 1:05pm
Try California small claims court. Low filing fee, simplified procedures, and you should be able to do it without an attorney. Seek your money back and request "replevin," which is a court order requiring someone holding someone else's property to return it to the rightful owner. Violation of the order can lead to contempt citations by the court -- fines and even imprisonment. Here's a link to the Small Claims procedures and an explanation.

https://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-smallclaims.htm?rdeLocaleAttr=en

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12/11/2020 4:04pm
Mcflurry98 wrote:
Well. We definitely know one thing that Varner has been doing. Skip to 1:36 into the video. https://racerxonline.com/2020/12/10/racer-x-films-2005-suzuki-rm250-garage-build
Well. We definitely know one thing that Varner has been doing. Skip to 1:36 into the video.

https://racerxonline.com/2020/12/10/racer-x-films-2005-suzuki-rm250-gar…
This is a disservice to the riding community. It is going to get people who don't know the history to get sucked into sending him there stuff.
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Technically speaking you could run without the woodruff key, but I wouldn’t recommend it. MX bikes run way too high of an RPM to even risk that.

The flywheel and end of the crankshaft are designed with a locking taper fit, meaning there is a slight interference fit at nominal. As the nut is tightened onto the rod threads, it pushes the flywheel into final position.

The woodruff key is used to help improve the concentricity of the flywheel in relation to the center of the rod. Power is transmitted from the rod to the flywheel via the locking taper joint, not the key.

The only time you can really get away with not running the woodruff way is on low RPM applications where concentricity isn’t a major concern.

What’s even more cringe worthy is his recommendation to just get it “good and tight”. Increasing the nut torque over the manufacturers spec will only lead to stress on the threads on the nut and rod end, which could possibly cause them to fail. And if it does fail, it’s going to be catastrophic.

This is basic shit in the mechanical engineering world and it’s very concerning to hear such wrong advice coming from supposedly on the of the best engine builders in the business.
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mxtech1 wrote:
Technically speaking you could run without the woodruff key, but I wouldn’t recommend it. MX bikes run way too high of an RPM to even risk...
Technically speaking you could run without the woodruff key, but I wouldn’t recommend it. MX bikes run way too high of an RPM to even risk that.

The flywheel and end of the crankshaft are designed with a locking taper fit, meaning there is a slight interference fit at nominal. As the nut is tightened onto the rod threads, it pushes the flywheel into final position.

The woodruff key is used to help improve the concentricity of the flywheel in relation to the center of the rod. Power is transmitted from the rod to the flywheel via the locking taper joint, not the key.

The only time you can really get away with not running the woodruff way is on low RPM applications where concentricity isn’t a major concern.

What’s even more cringe worthy is his recommendation to just get it “good and tight”. Increasing the nut torque over the manufacturers spec will only lead to stress on the threads on the nut and rod end, which could possibly cause them to fail. And if it does fail, it’s going to be catastrophic.

This is basic shit in the mechanical engineering world and it’s very concerning to hear such wrong advice coming from supposedly on the of the best engine builders in the business.
Gotta disagree with you on this one. Woodruff keys are there for alignment purposes. Most powersports engines are timeD off the flywheel, so they are keyed. Kawasaki 15f jet skis use the flywheel for a starter ring and charging system only, the ignition timing is done from the other end of the crank. The flywheel does not use a woodruff key oF any kind, and they spin 7500 RPM all day long in stock form. Racers spin them to 9k....never have seen an issue.
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12/11/2020 6:37pm
I’ve heard of a woodruff key sheering off a crankshaft because a hard landing with a paddle while on the gas. Who knows if it’s true, but I trust the guy that told me
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12/11/2020 6:44pm
I’ve heard of a woodruff key sheering off a crankshaft because a hard landing with a paddle while on the gas. Who knows if it’s true...
I’ve heard of a woodruff key sheering off a crankshaft because a hard landing with a paddle while on the gas. Who knows if it’s true, but I trust the guy that told me
I've sheared the woodruff key on my vintage bike when I get a backfire and the bike goes out of time when it happens. PVL ignitions don't use a woodruff key and are in wide use in the vintage world.
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12/12/2020 7:15am
JMCR250 wrote:
Try California small claims court. Low filing fee, simplified procedures, and you should be able to do it without an attorney. Seek your money back and...
Try California small claims court. Low filing fee, simplified procedures, and you should be able to do it without an attorney. Seek your money back and request "replevin," which is a court order requiring someone holding someone else's property to return it to the rightful owner. Violation of the order can lead to contempt citations by the court -- fines and even imprisonment. Here's a link to the Small Claims procedures and an explanation.

https://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-smallclaims.htm?rdeLocaleAttr=en

Thanks I'll try that and forward it to the others.

I'd called about small claims court. Lawyers are expensive. 100-400$ an hour depending or more.
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12/15/2020 6:01am Edited Date/Time 12/15/2020 10:35am
Mcflurry98 wrote:
Well. We definitely know one thing that Varner has been doing. Skip to 1:36 into the video. https://racerxonline.com/2020/12/10/racer-x-films-2005-suzuki-rm250-garage-build
Well. We definitely know one thing that Varner has been doing. Skip to 1:36 into the video.

https://racerxonline.com/2020/12/10/racer-x-films-2005-suzuki-rm250-gar…
Myke wrote:
This is a disservice to the riding community. It is going to get people who don't know the history to get sucked into sending him there...
This is a disservice to the riding community. It is going to get people who don't know the history to get sucked into sending him there stuff.
This video annoys me so much. There is no way that nobody involved in that video doesn't know about this thread and Varners shitty business (or have heard about it somewhere else). Yeah the engine was done by Varner on that bike, but don't mention it. Don't give free exposure on the biggest moto platform out there. Like you say, doing a disservice to the moto community and in worst case scenario a video like this drags some poor person in to the same situation as many others.
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12/15/2020 6:09am
Mcflurry98 wrote:
Well. We definitely know one thing that Varner has been doing. Skip to 1:36 into the video. https://racerxonline.com/2020/12/10/racer-x-films-2005-suzuki-rm250-garage-build
Well. We definitely know one thing that Varner has been doing. Skip to 1:36 into the video.

https://racerxonline.com/2020/12/10/racer-x-films-2005-suzuki-rm250-gar…
Myke wrote:
This is a disservice to the riding community. It is going to get people who don't know the history to get sucked into sending him there...
This is a disservice to the riding community. It is going to get people who don't know the history to get sucked into sending him there stuff.
Motofinne wrote:
This video annoys me so much. There is no way that nobody involved in that video doesn't know about this thread and Varners shitty business (or...
This video annoys me so much. There is no way that nobody involved in that video doesn't know about this thread and Varners shitty business (or have heard about it somewhere else). Yeah the engine was done by Varner on that bike, but don't mention it. Don't give free exposure on the biggest moto platform out there. Like you say, doing a disservice to the moto community and in worst case scenario a video like this drags some poor person in to the same situation as many others.
So RacerX or other media publications should check to make sure every customer is satisfied before accepting or getting products or services from a vendor? C'mon man, I don't think they are checking Vital to be sure everyone likes every company they allow to advertise on their site or in the magazine. I agree these business practices are downright criminal, but you cannot expect a third party to be aware of every customer concern.
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12/15/2020 6:22am Edited Date/Time 12/15/2020 10:36am
Myke wrote:
This is a disservice to the riding community. It is going to get people who don't know the history to get sucked into sending him there...
This is a disservice to the riding community. It is going to get people who don't know the history to get sucked into sending him there stuff.
Motofinne wrote:
This video annoys me so much. There is no way that nobody involved in that video doesn't know about this thread and Varners shitty business (or...
This video annoys me so much. There is no way that nobody involved in that video doesn't know about this thread and Varners shitty business (or have heard about it somewhere else). Yeah the engine was done by Varner on that bike, but don't mention it. Don't give free exposure on the biggest moto platform out there. Like you say, doing a disservice to the moto community and in worst case scenario a video like this drags some poor person in to the same situation as many others.
So RacerX or other media publications should check to make sure every customer is satisfied before accepting or getting products or services from a vendor? C'mon...
So RacerX or other media publications should check to make sure every customer is satisfied before accepting or getting products or services from a vendor? C'mon man, I don't think they are checking Vital to be sure everyone likes every company they allow to advertise on their site or in the magazine. I agree these business practices are downright criminal, but you cannot expect a third party to be aware of every customer concern.
The engine is one of, if not the biggest part of these 2-stroke build videos. We aren't talking about some shady gear lever company that will rip you off that wouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things. And of course they should know about this, the industry is small.

And what is the point of these build videos if not giving the consumers inspiration and ideas for their own builds? There is definitely some amount of responsibility for a publication in my opinion.

But this is a bit off-topic. I'll drop it now.
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Hi Motodrive!
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I remember you
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Motofinne wrote:
The engine is one of, if not the biggest part of these 2-stroke build videos. We aren't talking about some shady gear lever company that will...
The engine is one of, if not the biggest part of these 2-stroke build videos. We aren't talking about some shady gear lever company that will rip you off that wouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things. And of course they should know about this, the industry is small.

And what is the point of these build videos if not giving the consumers inspiration and ideas for their own builds? There is definitely some amount of responsibility for a publication in my opinion.

But this is a bit off-topic. I'll drop it now.
Yep, pretty tone-deaf of Racer X to basically promote a company that has screwed over so many people (and continues to do so). Some of the stuff Varner has pulled is almost unbelievable. The fact that so many riders on here have had it done to them is simply staggering. The only thing to do at this point is get the word out....the guy is basically a thief.
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This might be my favorite thread on vital.
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12/15/2020 10:23am
It's good to see some actual replies that apply to the thread.

Motofinne is right. I now question advertisers in those mags. Doubtful I'd use many of them.

I contacted both mags that ran articles explaining everything. No replies. That seems to be very common of the people in the industry I've contacted for help. Or they say they'll "See what they can do." Never to be heard from again.

It just goes on and on.

As for those that defend him. How about you get him to do his job, since you all feel he's the best. We may never know as we don't have our motors back.
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12/15/2020 10:29am
It's good to see some actual replies that apply to the thread. Motofinne is right. I now question advertisers in those mags. Doubtful I'd use many...
It's good to see some actual replies that apply to the thread.

Motofinne is right. I now question advertisers in those mags. Doubtful I'd use many of them.

I contacted both mags that ran articles explaining everything. No replies. That seems to be very common of the people in the industry I've contacted for help. Or they say they'll "See what they can do." Never to be heard from again.

It just goes on and on.

As for those that defend him. How about you get him to do his job, since you all feel he's the best. We may never know as we don't have our motors back.
Try sending off an email to Keefer. I feel like he probably doesn't spend too much time in vital particularly reading about old 2 strokes. I am a nobody from AZ and sent him an email last year asking for some setup tips and he took the time to respond. Maybe he'll put something out about it.
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12/15/2020 10:34am Edited Date/Time 12/15/2020 11:30am
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Hi Motodrive!
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Miss that place
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I only thing different with motodrive was that it was new in a new world of instant information but we still had the idiots and morons. Mikey P and fresh dirt and even the latest news on the applied racing web site was cool because we got all the gossip and news fast but I don't miss motodrive any more than I miss my rotary phone or the motoline where you paid by the minute. I like Vital too and as long as I play by the rules I have no problems.
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motonews was better..
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I’m curious as to who would care to own a motor from a guy that has lied to them for 12-24 months?
Again waaaaaay too many good motor guys to be waiting for this guy. When you realize it’s just a engine for a old dirt bike. In the grand scheme of things in life it seems pretty ridiculous. Like only Varner can build a fast two stroke. GTHOH!

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motonews was better..
TFS... Was the best.
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Has anyone had the same issues with Chad Watts Perfection?
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I’m curious as to who would care to own a motor from a guy that has lied to them for 12-24 months? Again waaaaaay too many...
I’m curious as to who would care to own a motor from a guy that has lied to them for 12-24 months?
Again waaaaaay too many good motor guys to be waiting for this guy. When you realize it’s just a engine for a old dirt bike. In the grand scheme of things in life it seems pretty ridiculous. Like only Varner can build a fast two stroke. GTHOH!

Ghost
His engines are usually 15hps more than the next builder.
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numbers wrote:
His engines are usually 15hps more than the next builder.
Not if he never gives your engine back
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12/17/2020 5:11pm
numbers wrote:
His engines are usually 15hps more than the next builder.
Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo where do come up with this bullshit? Do you make it up as you go.Woohoo
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numbers wrote:
His engines are usually 15hps more than the next builder.
lostboy819 wrote:
Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo where do come up with this bullshit? Do you make it up as you go.Woohoo
Nope. Just following your lead
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12/17/2020 5:19pm
Lol so Varner can give a 125 15 more hp than TMR? You’re cray cray homie.
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12/17/2020 5:26pm Edited Date/Time 12/17/2020 5:27pm
Pay for an ad In MXA; make a 3-5 sentence warning that’s clean professional and succinct then also have a scannable 3D barcode that links To this thread.

Give it a few more months and maybe he won’t have any new work coming in so he can finish all that back up work In between rebuilding his own and buddies Racing engines for every week. What a clown.
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Lol so Varner can give a 125 15 more hp than TMR? You’re cray cray homie.
Maybe 20hp more. Hes the best in the world
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