Longer Jump Landings Separate Rider Skills and are Safer. Change My Mind?

SEE ARE125 12/4/2020 10:59am
12/4/2020 10:59am Edited Date/Time 12/4/2020 11:00am
Johnny Depp wrote:
Rider's who can jump 100 ft. should not be stuck doing the 90 ft. landing or face flat landing. Having a longer landing gives a greater...
Rider's who can jump 100 ft. should not be stuck doing the 90 ft. landing or face flat landing. Having a longer landing gives a greater margin for error AND allows you to send it further.
BMc914 wrote:
Can you draw a picture of what you are trying to describe?
Probably this
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TheNewOriginal 12/4/2020 11:02am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
That's like saying riders that can jump SX triples(peaked faces) shouldn't be stuck doing regular jumps, so let's make every jump like SX triples... Just no.
I believe that the OP means extending the landing area. Kind of exactly the opposite - people that can jump SX triples and normal riders can hit the same jump, but the pro can hit it faster, go farther, and still have a decent landing. Not sure it is feasible for all jumps, but I agree.
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SEE ARE125 12/4/2020 11:07am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
That's like saying riders that can jump SX triples(peaked faces) shouldn't be stuck doing regular jumps, so let's make every jump like SX triples... Just no.
TheNewOriginal wrote:
I believe that the OP means extending the landing area. Kind of exactly the opposite - people that can jump SX triples and normal riders can...
I believe that the OP means extending the landing area. Kind of exactly the opposite - people that can jump SX triples and normal riders can hit the same jump, but the pro can hit it faster, go farther, and still have a decent landing. Not sure it is feasible for all jumps, but I agree.
Isn’t that the point of triples though? They took a double, and added an extra landing for the fast guys who send it further.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
That's like saying riders that can jump SX triples(peaked faces) shouldn't be stuck doing regular jumps, so let's make every jump like SX triples... Just no.
TheNewOriginal wrote:
I believe that the OP means extending the landing area. Kind of exactly the opposite - people that can jump SX triples and normal riders can...
I believe that the OP means extending the landing area. Kind of exactly the opposite - people that can jump SX triples and normal riders can hit the same jump, but the pro can hit it faster, go farther, and still have a decent landing. Not sure it is feasible for all jumps, but I agree.
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Isn’t that the point of triples though? They took a double, and added an extra landing for the fast guys who send it further.
Exactly.

In order to do what the OP suggests then every jump needs to be built with a downhill slope landing (so you can land as far down the hill as you want). 99-ish% of jumps aren't built with the landing on a downhill though, so if you want a long landing, the landing "pad" gets really shallow and harsh (shitty landings).
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mattyhamz2 12/4/2020 11:13am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
That's like saying riders that can jump SX triples(peaked faces) shouldn't be stuck doing regular jumps, so let's make every jump like SX triples... Just no.
TheNewOriginal wrote:
I believe that the OP means extending the landing area. Kind of exactly the opposite - people that can jump SX triples and normal riders can...
I believe that the OP means extending the landing area. Kind of exactly the opposite - people that can jump SX triples and normal riders can hit the same jump, but the pro can hit it faster, go farther, and still have a decent landing. Not sure it is feasible for all jumps, but I agree.
That's a different story if that's the case.

If we do extend landings so faster guys can go further, don't we then get to an issue of the landings becoming too flat? Unless we build the jumps taller, but then we have an issue of jumps being blind, which could lead to more people being landed on. I don't know if there really is a good way to go about this to make things that much better.
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Rider's who can jump 100 ft. should not be stuck doing the 90 ft. landing or face flat landing. Having a longer landing gives a greater...
Rider's who can jump 100 ft. should not be stuck doing the 90 ft. landing or face flat landing. Having a longer landing gives a greater margin for error AND allows you to send it further.
BMc914 wrote:
Can you draw a picture of what you are trying to describe?
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Probably this [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463480/s1200_A3DA7335_DE8B_4830_ADB2_D1377313A2AC.jpg[/img]
Probably this
Did Musquin switch to GasGas? Looks like he still has his same gear deal.
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Johnny Depp 12/4/2020 11:23am
12/4/2020 11:23am Edited Date/Time 12/4/2020 11:26am
3 Types of jumps overlaid. A conventional double, a table top, and a long landing ramp. It could be sort of a modified table top.
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SEE ARE125 12/4/2020 11:34am
12/4/2020 11:34am Edited Date/Time 12/4/2020 11:37am
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

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hypermoto 12/4/2020 11:35am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
3 Types of jumps overlaid. A conventional double, a table top, and a long landing ramp. It could be sort of a modified table top.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463491/s1200_33554936_9E42_46E9_94B7_45A52D74826A.jpg[/img]
3 Types of jumps overlaid. A conventional double, a table top, and a long landing ramp. It could be sort of a modified table top.
They have vet tracks for guys that want this
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Hammer 663s wrote:
I agree especially on longer jumps. It is safer for the beginner rider. It takes time to develop the ability to have precise throttle control and...
I agree especially on longer jumps. It is safer for the beginner rider. It takes time to develop the ability to have precise throttle control and understand what a given gear and speed will result in when leaving a jump face. As they get better, you can build steeper takeoffs and landings as their precision improves. I have 2 tracks I've built, and they all have a variety of faces/lips and landings. I think the longest jump we have is 65 feet on the SX track. There is a 100 footer on the outdoor track but very few do it since the landing has a HUGE penalty if you come up short. We will fix it in the Spring since its simply dangerous to 90% of the riders.

I try to avoid landings that don't roll off smoothly - do or die isn't what I want most riders to choose between. I can build a landing where 3 feet short isn't that bad a penalty. Those landings that have a steep upslope just before they roll off is what I avoid.

None of the above applies to fast guys. It's really hard to build a track that caters to both.

Hammer
I've built many tracks including my personal & it's not hard at all to build for every skill level to have fun and be relatively safe. It does take extra effort & time but is worth it , IMO. There isn't one track in the NW that really does this though. The Ridge maybe came closest at the end. My personal track has multiple 70+ jumps & all are pretty safe. We even built a season of indoor tracks at CCAX 5 years ago that had pretty big jumps with options for everyone & had almost no ambulance calls all year (rare for indoor).

Shitty landings are the biggest issue in local MX. Track builders need to build for when things go wrong not for when someone hits it perfect. Rolled landings, runout after obstacles, longer safety decks, etc..You can't be 100% safe but you can definitely mitigate injuries by doing this.......
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Alex.434 12/4/2020 2:54pm
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I've been noticing more of our SoCal tracks are having some jumps with like a 50-70% distance middle hump. This acts as a nice option to allow riders to still hit the jump face at a decent speed, land on a little landing (ie: not crater to flat) and 'work up to' the full jump. Maybe they will. Maybe they won't.

I laugh at the fella all upset that not everyone sends it to backside instantly and how dare you jump some tables to 50-75% distance. LOL. Sometimes even those of us who've ridden a track countless time, clearing all the jumps, like to warm-up and feel the track/face/body out before sending a 4th gear tapped jump. Relax bud.
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Preston412 12/4/2020 7:19pm
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Tracktor is on track. One of my best buddies has been shaping dirt for over 30 years. The landing should mirror the take off but more technical jumps and big jumps should have a rolled landing. A tapered landing does nothing but create a harsh or hard landing depending on the slope of the face.
Mathematically, a 3:1 face should have a 3:1 to 4:1 landing.
The only safe jump is no jump. Jumps small in height are really the only jumps that are safe for beginners to learn on.

I need to go fill up my cup.
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Sorry, couldn’t help myself. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463497/s1200_D0A5A212_ADF8_445D_B577_B5592073CDDA.jpg[/img]
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Sorry, couldn’t help myself. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463497/s1200_D0A5A212_ADF8_445D_B577_B5592073CDDA.jpg[/img]
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.


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2020 is soft
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Sorry, couldn’t help myself. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463497/s1200_D0A5A212_ADF8_445D_B577_B5592073CDDA.jpg[/img]
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

I didn’t realize I was looking at Instagram. Laughing
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EngIceDave 12/5/2020 5:16am
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Isn’t that the point of triples though? They took a double, and added an extra landing for the fast guys who send it further.
Yeah, but don't make the face of #3 vertical, like hitting a wall
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EngIceDave 12/5/2020 5:18am
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Probably this [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463480/s1200_A3DA7335_DE8B_4830_ADB2_D1377313A2AC.jpg[/img]
Probably this
I am disappointed in his form.
His right elbow is down, looks like he's having to pull up on the bars, just bad technique

I mean, really....pfft
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“Here.....hold my beer!” 😂
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Probably this [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463480/s1200_A3DA7335_DE8B_4830_ADB2_D1377313A2AC.jpg[/img]
Probably this
EngIceDave wrote:
I am disappointed in his form. His right elbow is down, looks like he's having to pull up on the bars, just bad technique I mean...
I am disappointed in his form.
His right elbow is down, looks like he's having to pull up on the bars, just bad technique

I mean, really....pfft
Whaaaat? The dudes left hand came off the bars, his visor is to high and the rear wheel isn’t even fully connected!
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EngIceDave 12/5/2020 8:10am
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Probably this [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/04/463480/s1200_A3DA7335_DE8B_4830_ADB2_D1377313A2AC.jpg[/img]
Probably this
EngIceDave wrote:
I am disappointed in his form. His right elbow is down, looks like he's having to pull up on the bars, just bad technique I mean...
I am disappointed in his form.
His right elbow is down, looks like he's having to pull up on the bars, just bad technique

I mean, really....pfft
kkawboy14 wrote:
Whaaaat? The dudes left hand came off the bars, his visor is to high and the rear wheel isn’t even fully connected!
Because of his bad form!

Bloody hell
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EngIceDave 12/5/2020 8:24am
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He's gonna short it
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kage173 12/5/2020 12:41pm
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Totally agree with OP. How can that not be true?
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Camelback jumps are the shit for people who suck (or don’t feel comfortable jumping, like me). You don’t have to land flat on top of a table if you want to hit it in second. But by the time you get the balls to hit it in third you can jump the whole thing. You have to know that there is a difference between the two, because you can still come up 3 feet short jumping the whole thing and crash. But it allows you to keep some sort of pace up when only going 40’ instead of the whole 70’.
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