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Four strokes make it way to easy to go very very fast and jump very big stuff.
Easy for inexperienced riders to do incredibly stupid things.
I am also one of those weirdo's who believes the spinning mass of a four stroke is way different and a cause of many nasty crashes, but not sure you can fix that.
My point is, I am not anti-four stroke, but we do need to figure out a way to slow them up. Pipe won't do it, because Pro Circuit makes millions on selling pipes. It has to be internal, like gearing. Anything beyond that can be manipulated. Either that or the engine sizes need to go down. Maybe a 200 and a 300. That would slow things up.
One thing about racing, in old days, fan could easily tell a 125 from a 250 just by the sound, and they knew the 250 was the bigger engine, it sounded like it.
Can't say that today. Average fan couldn't tell you which is which, a 250 or 450, and that is after you explain the plate colors.
In other racing businesses, the sanction and OEM's work together to create rules
“Easy for inexperienced riders to do incredibly stupid things.” Agree! They shouldn’t be on bikes they can’t handle.
It is true and not weird that the engine inertia, gyroscopic effect of swinging a bigger piston has a huge effect.
Pretty sure most spectators who ride can tell the difference between a 250 and 450 sounds...Not sure where you are going with that one.
I do not think slowing the bikes down is the answer. How slow would you have to make them to be safe? Herlings broke his femur on an 85. Plenty of injuries on 125's as well. It just comes down to "it is what it is". We aren't surrounded by a carbon fiber cocoon, and there are no roll bars protecting us. Some track changes can help, no doubt. But, a lot of the injuries do not even occur on big jumps..take away the jumps, you take away alot of the fun for alot of people. I quit going to a bunch of tracks because they took all the fun jumps away.
You ever seen thrashers skateboard magazine? Gnarly graphic ass slams... Same with skate videos etc shit even some contest footage too.
Pit Row
Nowadays everyone makes them on a 85cc unless you're a beginner or a slower rider. But almost all of the riders racing seriously makes them.
Same with big bike races. Jumps are tiny or very, very easy with no steep faces at all. Except last year at one of the races where the jumps were more old school and in my opinion better. There was a shit ton of complaints regarding the jumps being too sketchy.
So here in Finland there isn't an issue with big jumps, quite the opposite. People here have forgotten how to jump or have too big of an ego that they can't accept to just roll the jump if it feels too sketchy. The solution that these people speak for are tamed down obstacles that ruins it for everyone else with the skills and balls to jump the damn jumps.
#RantOver
"This also separates the C from A/B riders "
Can be said by C riders as well as the A/B riders, even mini riders, and what it really means is "You will NEVER make me happy."
No offense to anyone, but just think about it from the promoter's standpoint for a moment.
And Craig was not hurt in the ferrandis deal. So who cares.
If you think the promoters were excited when Ken crashed because they have new footage, then you are an idiot.
That's the truth
As SX matured in the mid to late 1980's, it became spectator centric and that meant pleasing the crowds with big double and triple jumps and rhythm sections. This has progressed into todays outdoor tracks following the same set-up.
Motocross has morphed into just being about jumps and the main skillset to be good at and succeed. True not everywhere can be built on natural terrain. We didn't have hills in Florida but did have jumps and man made mounds for jumps. As previously stated in posts, the obstacles and track designs used to be the corners (not squaring very turn), sweeping berms, off camber turns, whoops that developed from braking and throttle, as yes jumps. Tracks were not groomed between motos, the track was smooth in the morning before practice and became rough and challenging as the day progressed.
Yes, things evolve and times change but not always for the better. People got hurt back then as well but the risk level was certainly not as high as today with flying higher and father to clear multiple jumps at a time. Maybe getting back to some of the basics at the local level would make it more appealing to some who consider it too risky and may in turn reduce injuries, as well as increasing safety equipment for riders.
People have posted some interesting perspectives in this thread as to safety, track designs and ways forward.
Just my opinion.
Some way of preventing the dirt from brEaking down or an artificial surface maybe?
Now that Johnny Ringo Motodave15 have proven you wrong, you change your argument to 'You enjoy that in other sports which means I'm right'. Which, frankly, doesn't make sense. Unless you're just trying to have a narrow view about your own statements about moto being the only dangerous sport with injuries that people talk about while ignoring that you are using the counter-argument that disproves that.
I don't think anyone wants to see anyone else get hurt. Many sports have an inherent danger, not just moto. When a star is knocked out from any sport, you will see the media cover it. Your entire argument is flawed. Have you ever heard a single story about Jessy Nelson's crash on the broadcasts? How about Killian Auberson or Tevin Tapia? They were hurt much worse than Roczen, but the promoters aren't using it to 'sell butts in the seats'.
Yes, fantastic troll job.
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