Sad Times

agn5009 wrote:

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and...

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and can acknowledge facts. If you don't believe the cops had enough to get a warrant then there's no way you have read enough about this case. We'll just go ahead and dispute a few more lies coming from the media. How about the one where the officers were in "plain clothes"



I didn't realize duty vests with the word "POLICE" in bold yellow font across was considered "plain clothes."

Also, how about the narrative that her boyfriend didn't know it was police outside? The other officers literally carried the officer who was shot to safety.... while red and blues were lighting up the street. I mean, come on. You can't be serious?

https://news.yahoo.com/louisville-officer-called-murderer-breonna-14584…

OG725 wrote:

It's a tragedy on all sides. Breonna's only crime was, her bad taste in men. Current boyfriend wasn't even the target, from what I've heard, he...

It's a tragedy on all sides. Breonna's only crime was, her bad taste in men. Current boyfriend wasn't even the target, from what I've heard, he was actually concerned about the same ex-boyfriend the cops were concerned with. Cops thought she may have been storing money or drugs for ex-boyfriend. No reason for a 3 a.m. raid. Take your emotion out of the situation for a moment and put yourself in that context. You're dead asleep, startled awake by banging on the door, then it crashes in; yeah, there's a distinct possibility that any of us may have fired at the "intruders". Then again, if I'm the cops, i return fire. It's a tragic situation. There was no need for the cops to be performing that raid at 3 am. There was no reason for the boyfriend to fire at a target he can't see or identify.

agn5009 wrote:

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and...

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and can acknowledge facts. If you don't believe the cops had enough to get a warrant then there's no way you have read enough about this case. We'll just go ahead and dispute a few more lies coming from the media. How about the one where the officers were in "plain clothes"



I didn't realize duty vests with the word "POLICE" in bold yellow font across was considered "plain clothes."

Also, how about the narrative that her boyfriend didn't know it was police outside? The other officers literally carried the officer who was shot to safety.... while red and blues were lighting up the street. I mean, come on. You can't be serious?

https://news.yahoo.com/louisville-officer-called-murderer-breonna-14584…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer...

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer, the warrant for the address was because of some tenuous links to her ex-boyfriend.

I can't say that I've read anything about a "plain clothes" issue, either. The conflict I do see brought up is that the original search warrant was a "no knock" warrant that was changed to a "knock and announce" warrant. Of the 12 people in the building interviewed, only one says that they heard the knocking and announcing while the other 11 only heard the door crashing. I don't know how well the POLICE on the vests shows up in a darkened apartment, but I also don't know if someone would take that much time to read if a group of people had just rammed in their door without warning.

Of course there were lights going all over the place outside after the shooting. And probably lots of officers who weren't originally there but responded at the report of shots.

How far are we going to go to rationalize the killing of this woman? Really?

agn5009 wrote:

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and...

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and can acknowledge facts. If you don't believe the cops had enough to get a warrant then there's no way you have read enough about this case. We'll just go ahead and dispute a few more lies coming from the media. How about the one where the officers were in "plain clothes"



I didn't realize duty vests with the word "POLICE" in bold yellow font across was considered "plain clothes."

Also, how about the narrative that her boyfriend didn't know it was police outside? The other officers literally carried the officer who was shot to safety.... while red and blues were lighting up the street. I mean, come on. You can't be serious?

https://news.yahoo.com/louisville-officer-called-murderer-breonna-14584…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer...

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer, the warrant for the address was because of some tenuous links to her ex-boyfriend.

I can't say that I've read anything about a "plain clothes" issue, either. The conflict I do see brought up is that the original search warrant was a "no knock" warrant that was changed to a "knock and announce" warrant. Of the 12 people in the building interviewed, only one says that they heard the knocking and announcing while the other 11 only heard the door crashing. I don't know how well the POLICE on the vests shows up in a darkened apartment, but I also don't know if someone would take that much time to read if a group of people had just rammed in their door without warning.

Of course there were lights going all over the place outside after the shooting. And probably lots of officers who weren't originally there but responded at the report of shots.

How far are we going to go to rationalize the killing of this woman? Really?

agn5009 wrote:

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and...

You have got to be kidding me.... come on Aplman, we don't always agree on things but you usually have more common sense than most and can acknowledge facts. If you don't believe the cops had enough to get a warrant then there's no way you have read enough about this case. We'll just go ahead and dispute a few more lies coming from the media. How about the one where the officers were in "plain clothes"



I didn't realize duty vests with the word "POLICE" in bold yellow font across was considered "plain clothes."

Also, how about the narrative that her boyfriend didn't know it was police outside? The other officers literally carried the officer who was shot to safety.... while red and blues were lighting up the street. I mean, come on. You can't be serious?

https://news.yahoo.com/louisville-officer-called-murderer-breonna-14584…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer...

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer, the warrant for the address was because of some tenuous links to her ex-boyfriend.

I can't say that I've read anything about a "plain clothes" issue, either. The conflict I do see brought up is that the original search warrant was a "no knock" warrant that was changed to a "knock and announce" warrant. Of the 12 people in the building interviewed, only one says that they heard the knocking and announcing while the other 11 only heard the door crashing. I don't know how well the POLICE on the vests shows up in a darkened apartment, but I also don't know if someone would take that much time to read if a group of people had just rammed in their door without warning.

Of course there were lights going all over the place outside after the shooting. And probably lots of officers who weren't originally there but responded at the report of shots.

How far are we going to go to rationalize the killing of this woman? Really?

FolkLoar wrote:

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a...

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a year and she was neck deep in it. Cops had tapes of her and boyfriend from when he was in prison.. She was doing his dirty work while he was locked up. Collecting money, making payments, and dealing drugs for him. They were also caught up in a homicide investigation where she was present during a murder and had covered for her boyfriend.. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a CNN talking point.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer...

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer, the warrant for the address was because of some tenuous links to her ex-boyfriend.

I can't say that I've read anything about a "plain clothes" issue, either. The conflict I do see brought up is that the original search warrant was a "no knock" warrant that was changed to a "knock and announce" warrant. Of the 12 people in the building interviewed, only one says that they heard the knocking and announcing while the other 11 only heard the door crashing. I don't know how well the POLICE on the vests shows up in a darkened apartment, but I also don't know if someone would take that much time to read if a group of people had just rammed in their door without warning.

Of course there were lights going all over the place outside after the shooting. And probably lots of officers who weren't originally there but responded at the report of shots.

How far are we going to go to rationalize the killing of this woman? Really?

FolkLoar wrote:

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a...

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a year and she was neck deep in it. Cops had tapes of her and boyfriend from when he was in prison.. She was doing his dirty work while he was locked up. Collecting money, making payments, and dealing drugs for him. They were also caught up in a homicide investigation where she was present during a murder and had covered for her boyfriend.. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a CNN talking point.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police. One interesting thing that IS...

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police.

One interesting thing that IS documented in the incident report, however, is that Taylor was not injured and that there was no forced entry, despite the door being knocked off its hinges.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer...

Nowhere did I say that the police didn't have enough evidence for a warrant. But the warrant did not list her as a suspected drug dealer, the warrant for the address was because of some tenuous links to her ex-boyfriend.

I can't say that I've read anything about a "plain clothes" issue, either. The conflict I do see brought up is that the original search warrant was a "no knock" warrant that was changed to a "knock and announce" warrant. Of the 12 people in the building interviewed, only one says that they heard the knocking and announcing while the other 11 only heard the door crashing. I don't know how well the POLICE on the vests shows up in a darkened apartment, but I also don't know if someone would take that much time to read if a group of people had just rammed in their door without warning.

Of course there were lights going all over the place outside after the shooting. And probably lots of officers who weren't originally there but responded at the report of shots.

How far are we going to go to rationalize the killing of this woman? Really?

FolkLoar wrote:

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a...

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a year and she was neck deep in it. Cops had tapes of her and boyfriend from when he was in prison.. She was doing his dirty work while he was locked up. Collecting money, making payments, and dealing drugs for him. They were also caught up in a homicide investigation where she was present during a murder and had covered for her boyfriend.. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a CNN talking point.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police. One interesting thing that IS...

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police.

One interesting thing that IS documented in the incident report, however, is that Taylor was not injured and that there was no forced entry, despite the door being knocked off its hinges.

APLMAN99 wrote:

The reason that question probably wasn't asked was because Kenneth Walker was NOT a murder suspect....... But don't let the facts get in the way of...

The reason that question probably wasn't asked was because Kenneth Walker was NOT a murder suspect.......

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good dog whistle......

agn5009 wrote:

Everything else is factually correct. Look at all the FACTS of the case (not what the media feeds you) and anyone can see there was no...

Everything else is factually correct. Look at all the FACTS of the case (not what the media feeds you) and anyone can see there was no way these officers were being charged with her death. Shitty situation for sure, but there is absolutely no way they'd ever be found guilty.

APLMAN99 wrote:

No, it isn't. She didn't tell "them" that she didn't know where anyone was. There was nothing in the warrants or investigation that shows her being...

No, it isn't. She didn't tell "them" that she didn't know where anyone was. There was nothing in the warrants or investigation that shows her being suspected of dealing drugs.

The inference that Breonna Taylor was a "colossal piece of shit" (IWAL's post, not yours) is just an absolutely disgusting statement.

Breonna Taylor wasn't a felon, nor was she "doing felonious activities" when she was killed.

As for whether or not the officers who killed her would have been found guilty, you are probably right.

And that's the point........

FolkLoar wrote:

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a...

You really need to read more about the case.. This was a looooong running investigation. Police had been running surveillance on this group for over a year and she was neck deep in it. Cops had tapes of her and boyfriend from when he was in prison.. She was doing his dirty work while he was locked up. Collecting money, making payments, and dealing drugs for him. They were also caught up in a homicide investigation where she was present during a murder and had covered for her boyfriend.. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a CNN talking point.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police. One interesting thing that IS...

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police.

One interesting thing that IS documented in the incident report, however, is that Taylor was not injured and that there was no forced entry, despite the door being knocked off its hinges.

FolkLoar wrote:

Sorry, I have no motivation to “believe” one way or another. I’m a facts guy.. The reason this case caught my attention was I happened to...

Sorry, I have no motivation to “believe” one way or another.
I’m a facts guy.. The reason this case caught my attention was I happened to read about her killing right when it happened, before it was national news, and I was amazed with how the reporting of the case changed overnight once the Floyd murder occurred. It’s an unfortunate event no doubt, but pretty open and shut case once you remove all the political noise and emotion and look at the facts. The only reason they indicted the cop for Wanton Disregard was to appease the public.. No way any of those cops were ever going to be convicted in a court of law..

Here are the documents from the investigations.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-…

JeremyK wrote:

I havent followed the story as close as you guys seem to have so please forgive me if my information is skewed . The police knocked...

I havent followed the story as close as you guys seem to have so please forgive me if my information is skewed . The police knocked on the door and then the guy inside shot at a closed door ,they returned fire and the female was hit ?

SX-Andy wrote:

There is plenty of tech out there that would put all timeline/action discrepancies out the window...given the current climate, you have to wonder why the police...

There is plenty of tech out there that would put all timeline/action discrepancies out the window...given the current climate, you have to wonder why the police aren’t pushing for it themselves.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police. One interesting thing that IS...

I believe that YOU believe those things, but nothing that you are saying is in any documentation provided by the police.

One interesting thing that IS documented in the incident report, however, is that Taylor was not injured and that there was no forced entry, despite the door being knocked off its hinges.

FolkLoar wrote:

Sorry, I have no motivation to “believe” one way or another. I’m a facts guy.. The reason this case caught my attention was I happened to...

Sorry, I have no motivation to “believe” one way or another.
I’m a facts guy.. The reason this case caught my attention was I happened to read about her killing right when it happened, before it was national news, and I was amazed with how the reporting of the case changed overnight once the Floyd murder occurred. It’s an unfortunate event no doubt, but pretty open and shut case once you remove all the political noise and emotion and look at the facts. The only reason they indicted the cop for Wanton Disregard was to appease the public.. No way any of those cops were ever going to be convicted in a court of law..

Here are the documents from the investigations.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions. It’s no wonder that there’s so much...

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions.

It’s no wonder that there’s so much division in society when we actually have people trying to justify a killing like this. Actively trying to blame the victim for her being shot by police even though there was zero evidence that she had committed a crime.

Simply unbelievable.

agn5009 wrote:

Most police are pushing for body cams. From what I've seen, its mostly the "older" officers who are against it. At my department we have a...

Most police are pushing for body cams. From what I've seen, its mostly the "older" officers who are against it. At my department we have a few guys who could have retired years ago, don't do a hell of a lot and are valiantly against body cams. The other 98% of the officers are all for it. The issue is the funding. The actual cameras themself aren't where the majority of the cost comes from. Its the storage space needed on the computers. For example, every time we use our emergency lights on our patrol cars it get automatically uploaded onto a computer. The amount of money it costs to store all that data is insane. Now factor in body cams, which will be recording all the time instead of only a few minutes here and there, and you can imagine how much that will cost. Just as an example, say your local department employs 20 officers per shift. Thats 480 hours of data that will need to be uploaded and retained PER DAY. Now think of a department that employs 20 officers per shift. Its probably a mid sized department. Think of smaller departments that only employ 20 officers total. Wheres that funding coming from?

Like I said, most want the body cams. Most officers have the best of intentions and want that security blanket to be there to cover their asses because most do a solid job. Not that long ago we had a tweaker accuse one of our officers of inappropriately touching her while he was searching her. She then concocted this whole crazy story about him feeling her up in the patrol car. Thank God every angle inside our cars are on audio and video. Imagine the shit storm if they weren't and she made those false accusations? Seriously, bring on the body cams.. please.

FolkLoar wrote:

Sorry, I have no motivation to “believe” one way or another. I’m a facts guy.. The reason this case caught my attention was I happened to...

Sorry, I have no motivation to “believe” one way or another.
I’m a facts guy.. The reason this case caught my attention was I happened to read about her killing right when it happened, before it was national news, and I was amazed with how the reporting of the case changed overnight once the Floyd murder occurred. It’s an unfortunate event no doubt, but pretty open and shut case once you remove all the political noise and emotion and look at the facts. The only reason they indicted the cop for Wanton Disregard was to appease the public.. No way any of those cops were ever going to be convicted in a court of law..

Here are the documents from the investigations.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-…

APLMAN99 wrote:

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions. It’s no wonder that there’s so much...

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions.

It’s no wonder that there’s so much division in society when we actually have people trying to justify a killing like this. Actively trying to blame the victim for her being shot by police even though there was zero evidence that she had committed a crime.

Simply unbelievable.

FolkLoar wrote:

So you seriously still can’t see why they would serve a warrant on this woman? It’s pretty obvious that she was AT LEAST handling $ for...

So you seriously still can’t see why they would serve a warrant on this woman? It’s pretty obvious that she was AT LEAST handling $ for a drug operation.. AT LEAST..
Like I said, I think it’s an extremely unfortunate sequence of events.. Did she deserve to die? NO...
If the cops came to my house and I shot one of them in the dark, would I expect them to return fire? Yes..
The craziest thing about all of this, besides the unnecessary loss of life, is the law they passed in her name.. So they served a true “no knock warrant” on the trap house she’s associated with at the same time they served her warrant.. In the “no knock warrant” they caught everyone off guard and seized all drugs, guns, and suspects without ever firing a shot.. In HER warrant they DID KNOCK, people are injured on both sides, and the suspect ends up having 20+ min before he surrenders to destroy evidence.. So what does the city council do? Pass a law named after her that bans the type of warrant that WORKED at the trap house with no shots fired instead of the type of warrant that resulted in her death.

SX-Andy wrote:

There is plenty of tech out there that would put all timeline/action discrepancies out the window...given the current climate, you have to wonder why the police...

There is plenty of tech out there that would put all timeline/action discrepancies out the window...given the current climate, you have to wonder why the police aren’t pushing for it themselves.

agn5009 wrote:

Most police are pushing for body cams. From what I've seen, its mostly the "older" officers who are against it. At my department we have a...

Most police are pushing for body cams. From what I've seen, its mostly the "older" officers who are against it. At my department we have a few guys who could have retired years ago, don't do a hell of a lot and are valiantly against body cams. The other 98% of the officers are all for it. The issue is the funding. The actual cameras themself aren't where the majority of the cost comes from. Its the storage space needed on the computers. For example, every time we use our emergency lights on our patrol cars it get automatically uploaded onto a computer. The amount of money it costs to store all that data is insane. Now factor in body cams, which will be recording all the time instead of only a few minutes here and there, and you can imagine how much that will cost. Just as an example, say your local department employs 20 officers per shift. Thats 480 hours of data that will need to be uploaded and retained PER DAY. Now think of a department that employs 20 officers per shift. Its probably a mid sized department. Think of smaller departments that only employ 20 officers total. Wheres that funding coming from?

Like I said, most want the body cams. Most officers have the best of intentions and want that security blanket to be there to cover their asses because most do a solid job. Not that long ago we had a tweaker accuse one of our officers of inappropriately touching her while he was searching her. She then concocted this whole crazy story about him feeling her up in the patrol car. Thank God every angle inside our cars are on audio and video. Imagine the shit storm if they weren't and she made those false accusations? Seriously, bring on the body cams.. please.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions. It’s no wonder that there’s so much...

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions.

It’s no wonder that there’s so much division in society when we actually have people trying to justify a killing like this. Actively trying to blame the victim for her being shot by police even though there was zero evidence that she had committed a crime.

Simply unbelievable.

FolkLoar wrote:

So you seriously still can’t see why they would serve a warrant on this woman? It’s pretty obvious that she was AT LEAST handling $ for...

So you seriously still can’t see why they would serve a warrant on this woman? It’s pretty obvious that she was AT LEAST handling $ for a drug operation.. AT LEAST..
Like I said, I think it’s an extremely unfortunate sequence of events.. Did she deserve to die? NO...
If the cops came to my house and I shot one of them in the dark, would I expect them to return fire? Yes..
The craziest thing about all of this, besides the unnecessary loss of life, is the law they passed in her name.. So they served a true “no knock warrant” on the trap house she’s associated with at the same time they served her warrant.. In the “no knock warrant” they caught everyone off guard and seized all drugs, guns, and suspects without ever firing a shot.. In HER warrant they DID KNOCK, people are injured on both sides, and the suspect ends up having 20+ min before he surrenders to destroy evidence.. So what does the city council do? Pass a law named after her that bans the type of warrant that WORKED at the trap house with no shots fired instead of the type of warrant that resulted in her death.

APLMAN99 wrote:

There was no warrant for "this woman". The fact that there was zero money recovered makes your assertion that she was handling money pretty difficult to...

There was no warrant for "this woman". The fact that there was zero money recovered makes your assertion that she was handling money pretty difficult to sustain, unless you just want it to be so.

There was no "suspect" in the house, no sign of 'destroyed evidence', etc. Any inference that there was simply shows what you WANT to believe, not what is proved to have actually happened.

Another interesting thing of note is that a Postal Inspector had been asked by another agency to monitor deliveries to Taylor's address for suspicious packages, mailings, etc. After monitoring, they had reported to that agency that there was no evidence of nefarious deliveries to her apartment. Despite this, the LMPD request for a warrant said that they HAD verified through a Postal Inspector that there was suspicious mail. As best I can tell from the releases and such, this appears to be at best an embellishment by the LMPD, if not a downright lie to obtain a warrant that they thought wouldn't be granted without using this false information concerning a Postal Inspector.........

https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/louisville-postal-inspector-no-packages-o…

Perhaps it is because of these types of irregularities that the City of Louisville settled so quickly for such a large amount.....?

G-man wrote:

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APLMAN99 wrote:

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions. It’s no wonder that there’s so much...

Those aren’t the “documents from the investigation” that’s a “memo” conveniently leaked to try to later justify the actions.

It’s no wonder that there’s so much division in society when we actually have people trying to justify a killing like this. Actively trying to blame the victim for her being shot by police even though there was zero evidence that she had committed a crime.

Simply unbelievable.

FolkLoar wrote:

So you seriously still can’t see why they would serve a warrant on this woman? It’s pretty obvious that she was AT LEAST handling $ for...

So you seriously still can’t see why they would serve a warrant on this woman? It’s pretty obvious that she was AT LEAST handling $ for a drug operation.. AT LEAST..
Like I said, I think it’s an extremely unfortunate sequence of events.. Did she deserve to die? NO...
If the cops came to my house and I shot one of them in the dark, would I expect them to return fire? Yes..
The craziest thing about all of this, besides the unnecessary loss of life, is the law they passed in her name.. So they served a true “no knock warrant” on the trap house she’s associated with at the same time they served her warrant.. In the “no knock warrant” they caught everyone off guard and seized all drugs, guns, and suspects without ever firing a shot.. In HER warrant they DID KNOCK, people are injured on both sides, and the suspect ends up having 20+ min before he surrenders to destroy evidence.. So what does the city council do? Pass a law named after her that bans the type of warrant that WORKED at the trap house with no shots fired instead of the type of warrant that resulted in her death.

APLMAN99 wrote:

There was no warrant for "this woman". The fact that there was zero money recovered makes your assertion that she was handling money pretty difficult to...

There was no warrant for "this woman". The fact that there was zero money recovered makes your assertion that she was handling money pretty difficult to sustain, unless you just want it to be so.

There was no "suspect" in the house, no sign of 'destroyed evidence', etc. Any inference that there was simply shows what you WANT to believe, not what is proved to have actually happened.

Another interesting thing of note is that a Postal Inspector had been asked by another agency to monitor deliveries to Taylor's address for suspicious packages, mailings, etc. After monitoring, they had reported to that agency that there was no evidence of nefarious deliveries to her apartment. Despite this, the LMPD request for a warrant said that they HAD verified through a Postal Inspector that there was suspicious mail. As best I can tell from the releases and such, this appears to be at best an embellishment by the LMPD, if not a downright lie to obtain a warrant that they thought wouldn't be granted without using this false information concerning a Postal Inspector.........

https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/louisville-postal-inspector-no-packages-o…

Perhaps it is because of these types of irregularities that the City of Louisville settled so quickly for such a large amount.....?

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

I can agree with that Phil. Even if you don’t have criminals inside you can have armed citizens that will instantly become a felon by fighting...

I can agree with that Phil. Even if you don’t have criminals inside you can have armed citizens that will instantly become a felon by fighting back in an awoken surprised daze.

My friends parents had their doors kicked in at 2-3am. It was the wrong house. And they did it on a random call saying someone’s wife was being abused and they had a gun. Totally wrong address and house !!! And they had everyone on the ground with shotguns pointed at them. His mom was shaking. My buddy was in the garage apartment sleeping and didnt wake up otherwise I’m convinced he woulda laid waste to everyone that came in that house. He just got off active duty with a fresh dd214 and he always sleeps with his rifle within arms reach. Thank god that ac unit was loud and he didn’t wake up that night. And today he’d be known as a cop killer. Which clearly he’s not and supports police 100%. But departments make mistakes and people could get killed. So maybe the whole middle of the night stuff doesn’t need to happen unless there’s some more dead to rights information.

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2020 just sucks
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/actor-rick-moranis-sucker-punched…