Huge missed opportunity for et3

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Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the raw speed to bring it home. Now what I saw from tomac the last few weeks is just rides to get through the day. Doesnt seem to.have the determination or heart to fight. Today goes to show why you don't give up. He could of been right back in this title hunt after today. Its just really weird and the supercross hangover excuse is bs. I just think the 2 dnfs got him down and he said piss on it I'm done
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Brett_Clark wrote:
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the...
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the raw speed to bring it home. Now what I saw from tomac the last few weeks is just rides to get through the day. Doesnt seem to.have the determination or heart to fight. Today goes to show why you don't give up. He could of been right back in this title hunt after today. Its just really weird and the supercross hangover excuse is bs. I just think the 2 dnfs got him down and he said piss on it I'm done
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing the remaining races
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mattyhamz2 9/19/2020 6:47pm
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He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so he can put all his effort into defending his SX title. Sure he could have been in the title hunt still, but he also could push to the point of disaster and miss the entire SX prep time and lose a chance at defending that title. He’s fine.
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Brett_Clark 9/19/2020 6:48pm
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Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the...
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the raw speed to bring it home. Now what I saw from tomac the last few weeks is just rides to get through the day. Doesnt seem to.have the determination or heart to fight. Today goes to show why you don't give up. He could of been right back in this title hunt after today. Its just really weird and the supercross hangover excuse is bs. I just think the 2 dnfs got him down and he said piss on it I'm done
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Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing...
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing the remaining races
Then why race at all is my question, why go 2-1 at Iron man and take the overall and then not try. Its just weird as hell to me especially since coming into him or Adam really had a little shot at the title so.it wasn't like kawi is saying adam is closer so let's have him take a shot at it.
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Brett_Clark 9/19/2020 6:52pm
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He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so...
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so he can put all his effort into defending his SX title. Sure he could have been in the title hunt still, but he also could push to the point of disaster and miss the entire SX prep time and lose a chance at defending that title. He’s fine.
I guess I look at all the elites that have titles in both years and come into outdoors 2 weeks after Vegas and go 1-1. All the way up to Dungey every so champion was ready to go come hang town barring injury of course
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mattyhamz2 9/19/2020 6:54pm
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He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so...
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so he can put all his effort into defending his SX title. Sure he could have been in the title hunt still, but he also could push to the point of disaster and miss the entire SX prep time and lose a chance at defending that title. He’s fine.
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I guess I look at all the elites that have titles in both years and come into outdoors 2 weeks after Vegas and go 1-1. All...
I guess I look at all the elites that have titles in both years and come into outdoors 2 weeks after Vegas and go 1-1. All the way up to Dungey every so champion was ready to go come hang town barring injury of course
I get what you’re saying. But this is still a really weird year that has the season going into the late part of the year. Had he not DNF’d twice, I think he still would have tried harder than he is right now. That’s just my opinion. I fully believe he is riding out the rest of the year as safe as possible so he can be ready to go for SX 2021
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Lloydcarter 9/19/2020 7:07pm
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Yeah all his hard work and championships shows he has no heart or determination
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Brett_Clark 9/19/2020 7:16pm
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Yeah all his hard work and championships shows he has no heart or determination
Heart would be coming back and giving it 110 percent every moto. I don't see that. Sure hes a 3 time champion but tell me one rider in history on tomacs level that hasn't given their all after a sx title run in the outdoors
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Brett_Clark wrote:
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the...
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the raw speed to bring it home. Now what I saw from tomac the last few weeks is just rides to get through the day. Doesnt seem to.have the determination or heart to fight. Today goes to show why you don't give up. He could of been right back in this title hunt after today. Its just really weird and the supercross hangover excuse is bs. I just think the 2 dnfs got him down and he said piss on it I'm done
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Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing...
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing the remaining races
He had lots of time off because of covid
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Brett_Clark wrote:
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the...
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the raw speed to bring it home. Now what I saw from tomac the last few weeks is just rides to get through the day. Doesnt seem to.have the determination or heart to fight. Today goes to show why you don't give up. He could of been right back in this title hunt after today. Its just really weird and the supercross hangover excuse is bs. I just think the 2 dnfs got him down and he said piss on it I'm done
charge wrote:
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing...
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing the remaining races
agn5009 wrote:
He had lots of time off because of covid
How do you know what he was or wasn’t doing during that time off?
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Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing...
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing the remaining races
agn5009 wrote:
He had lots of time off because of covid
charge wrote:
How do you know what he was or wasn’t doing during that time off?
how do you?
TbonesPop 9/19/2020 8:06pm
9/19/2020 8:06pm
I think he's looking forward to some elk hunting, and quite frankly I don't blame him one bit. He could use some time off to recharge the batteries and get ready to defend the SX title. This series has just been so weird from the get go, just get through it healthy and be ready for 2021. Go win another SX title and set yourself higher in the record books.
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toroP 9/19/2020 8:26pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so...
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so he can put all his effort into defending his SX title. Sure he could have been in the title hunt still, but he also could push to the point of disaster and miss the entire SX prep time and lose a chance at defending that title. He’s fine.
Right. He’s letting other guys win.
If he wanted to win, he would. “Bike blew up, so I’ll coast home rather than compete.”

Is this really what you’re saying? This makes Tomac seem really lame.
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jorgechavez 9/19/2020 8:57pm
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Right. He’s letting other guys win. If he wanted to win, he would. “Bike blew up, so I’ll coast home rather than compete.” Is this really...
Right. He’s letting other guys win.
If he wanted to win, he would. “Bike blew up, so I’ll coast home rather than compete.”

Is this really what you’re saying? This makes Tomac seem really lame.
I don’t think he is letting anyone win but I do think the bike blowing up is certainly a contributing factor to the performances we're seeing. I also think the competition has stepped up but it’s foolish to think they have stepped up to the point where the three time and defending champion is helplessly uncompetitive.
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gregyou 9/19/2020 9:32pm
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Nearly every great has had time off with injury, besides tomacs shoulders he’s barely had any time off
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kpiper 9/19/2020 10:07pm
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His performance today is hard to explain.

All the other motos except LL #1 something has happened or he rode very well.

Today was different.
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Brett_Clark wrote:
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the...
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the raw speed to bring it home. Now what I saw from tomac the last few weeks is just rides to get through the day. Doesnt seem to.have the determination or heart to fight. Today goes to show why you don't give up. He could of been right back in this title hunt after today. Its just really weird and the supercross hangover excuse is bs. I just think the 2 dnfs got him down and he said piss on it I'm done
charge wrote:
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing...
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing the remaining races
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Then why race at all is my question, why go 2-1 at Iron man and take the overall and then not try. Its just weird as...
Then why race at all is my question, why go 2-1 at Iron man and take the overall and then not try. Its just weird as hell to me especially since coming into him or Adam really had a little shot at the title so.it wasn't like kawi is saying adam is closer so let's have him take a shot at it.
My greatest guess is Eli is basically looking at it like this since he’s pretty much out of the championship. If he can snag a holeshot than he’ll go for the win, basically if he has good starts or starts close to the front he’ll go for it but if he get terrible starts what’s the point save yourself for your title defense in supercross.
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JamesReed 9/19/2020 10:47pm
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ET3 is probably taking it easy and mentally preparing for SX. He knows that his main competiton Webb and K-Roc are resting and recouping to be 100 for SX. SX pays a lot better than MX, know he knows why Webb didn't give a $heet outdoors last year.
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jemcee 9/19/2020 11:26pm
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I wonder if his team is giving 100% to help him succeed
I wonder if his mechanic is workin 40+hrs a week to help him succeed, starting Sunday morning
Actually no I don't I don't wonder about that..

I'm not saying he's a bad person for just 'getting through the weekends' (If he even is) It's just not something I'll ever be a fan of.. Take the time off if you need it

And yes I know no one asked me
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JamesReed 9/19/2020 11:37pm
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jemcee wrote:
I wonder if his team is giving 100% to help him succeed I wonder if his mechanic is workin 40+hrs a week to help him succeed...
I wonder if his team is giving 100% to help him succeed
I wonder if his mechanic is workin 40+hrs a week to help him succeed, starting Sunday morning
Actually no I don't I don't wonder about that..

I'm not saying he's a bad person for just 'getting through the weekends' (If he even is) It's just not something I'll ever be a fan of.. Take the time off if you need it

And yes I know no one asked me
He's contracted to run the series unless he has an injury or other serious health problem. Top 5 in points in any major racing series is nothing to snivel at. Whether it's a result of his riding technique or not, the number of mechanicals he has had outdoors on the Kawi would be unsettling to anyone.
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jemcee 9/19/2020 11:48pm
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jemcee wrote:
I wonder if his team is giving 100% to help him succeed I wonder if his mechanic is workin 40+hrs a week to help him succeed...
I wonder if his team is giving 100% to help him succeed
I wonder if his mechanic is workin 40+hrs a week to help him succeed, starting Sunday morning
Actually no I don't I don't wonder about that..

I'm not saying he's a bad person for just 'getting through the weekends' (If he even is) It's just not something I'll ever be a fan of.. Take the time off if you need it

And yes I know no one asked me
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He's contracted to run the series unless he has an injury or other serious health problem. Top 5 in points in any major racing series is...
He's contracted to run the series unless he has an injury or other serious health problem. Top 5 in points in any major racing series is nothing to snivel at. Whether it's a result of his riding technique or not, the number of mechanicals he has had outdoors on the Kawi would be unsettling to anyone.
I now see why noobs used to get hased back in the day..
I don't need you comin in here, makin me feel a bit silly with ya facts and shit alright?
So you know STFU and GTFO

I stand by everything else I said though haha
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Mugeneco 9/20/2020 1:26am
9/20/2020 1:26am
Finally got that SX title after like 7 years ? must have been a very tough one mentally as he looks done for the season
shit happens , maybe next season .
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mx 219 9/20/2020 4:58am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so...
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so he can put all his effort into defending his SX title. Sure he could have been in the title hunt still, but he also could push to the point of disaster and miss the entire SX prep time and lose a chance at defending that title. He’s fine.
Brett_Clark wrote:
I guess I look at all the elites that have titles in both years and come into outdoors 2 weeks after Vegas and go 1-1. All...
I guess I look at all the elites that have titles in both years and come into outdoors 2 weeks after Vegas and go 1-1. All the way up to Dungey every so champion was ready to go come hang town barring injury of course
Dungey never won Hangtown overall. Ever.

But I get what you are saying. I personally think he has a minor injury or something. We ve never known Eli to be "over it" during the season so Im not sure why he would be now, even after the DNFs. He does still have records to chase, that should be enough motivation.

The possible excuse that hes ready for a break doesn't make sense either, he had a break during covid. If he isnt hurt then Im really wondering whats up.
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Ozy 9/20/2020 9:25am
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Just my personal opinion - I think Eli settles for where ever he finishes if his body feels tight or he just isn't feeling it on the bike. My guess it this stems from past injuries happening when he's outside the comfort zone. I believe this is the case the past two national races.

I would look for ET3 to finish on the podium the last 3 rounds. Considering the insane bad luck Eli had in Tennessee, he's not in all that bad of a position points wise.
Suicidal_Tendencies 9/20/2020 12:33pm
9/20/2020 12:33pm
Who knows what is going on, but I wouldn't be too judgmental of Eli. He does have a new family, and just like Roczen, I'm sure his focused has shifted a bit for the time being. You get a little older, and have a family, and realize there are more important things than winning titles. He'll be back!
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Very sensitive and psycho guy. His routine is fucked up.
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450 Standings
1. Zach Osborne 235
2. Adam Cianciarulo 220
3. Marvin Musquin 215
4. Eli Tomac 196
5. Justin Barcia 194
6. Blake Baggett 190
7. Chase Sexton 173

Just add those 35 points he lost because bike went bang two times are Loretta2 for Tomac?
I think that was huge miss for Kawasaki.
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GeorgiePorgie 9/20/2020 1:10pm
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Dudes never been consistent. But somehow always threads it close enough to always be in contention. Season isn’t over yet.
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kpiper 9/20/2020 1:11pm
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Looks like AC9 is going to do what we all thought Tomac might...win out.
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jorgechavez 9/20/2020 1:40pm
9/20/2020 1:40pm
Let's assume Tomac is riding at the same level he has the past three seasons and is putting in the same effort, I personally don't agree but for arguments sake let's say he is. That would mean 6-7 guys have all collectively stepped up their game (including Marv who is coming off an injury that kept him off the bike for nearly a year) to a level where Tomac can't even muster a podium? Sorry I just don't buy that, maybe with time I will be proven wrong though.
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