Dylan Ferrandis next year on a 450

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8/31/2020 6:16am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2020 6:19am
kage173 wrote:
Yeah bro that's what people were saying about AC in SX this year. A few years ago Plessinger did the same thing Ferrandis is doing now...
Yeah bro that's what people were saying about AC in SX this year. A few years ago Plessinger did the same thing Ferrandis is doing now. And he didnt win anything in 450. Webb before that and it took him years to win anything much less the whole thing.

Cant understand how people get so overbaked on these guys. Every year we hear this stuff. Dude moving up to 450 is hard. The 450 class is the premier class for a reason. It is next level.
yz133rider wrote:
Nobody in the 250 class in recent times came from last to 3rd like df did this weekend. He blew by everyone like they didn’t even...
Nobody in the 250 class in recent times came from last to 3rd like df did this weekend.

He blew by everyone like they didn’t even belong on the same track.

Ap won his outdoor title while everyone else crashed out. Facts are facts yes he won but the main guys were out.
walent215 wrote:
Wasn’t it Webb that won with a broken hand/wrist?
Yes, and wasn’t it Webb that has went onto some pretty serious success on 450s? An sx title?
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Ever notice how in mxgp all those guys who graduate from that weak mx2 class go up to the stacked mx1 class and become a factor?

I think it’s a riding technique thing. Ferrandis has great technique.
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I think ferrandis is going to be a top 10 guy.

Kindof puzzled why yamaha kept AP instead of having barcia and dylan. I see better advertising that way.
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Did anyone see when Dylan crashed in the first turn of the 2nd moto....a yamaha team guy ran out and lifted his bike up for him.....I...
Did anyone see when Dylan crashed in the first turn of the 2nd moto....a yamaha team guy ran out and lifted his bike up for him.....I didnt know that was allowed ala outside help.
DonM wrote:
Only allowed in the first turn
philG wrote:
How did A Mart not get DQ'd when helped up at Lorettas? He said he was helped up on the Pulp Show.
Because it was a track worker, that is allowed.
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150ripper wrote:
Team can only help in the first turn, AMA/track people can help anywhere.
I heard him say it was Justin Starling's dad ( or another parent) .. if thats not the case and it was an official, then that explains it
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Ferrandis already has 450 experience and has been pretty good on it each time he tried, even when he was younger. He'll do just fine, at least as good as AC or even better, with less rookie mistakes.
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150ripper wrote:
Team can only help in the first turn, AMA/track people can help anywhere.
philG wrote:
I heard him say it was Justin Starling's dad ( or another parent) .. if thats not the case and it was an official, then that...
I heard him say it was Justin Starling's dad ( or another parent) .. if thats not the case and it was an official, then that explains it
Justin Starlings dad is an official
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Starlings dad is an official if IIRC
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Too slow 😂
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DV

Don’t worry about a few idiots.
Dylan is my favorite rider in the series and I’m a native southeastern USA born and bred.

DF Kicks Ass
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AC has no 250SX title and came as close as you can get to winning a main event. And now he sits 5th in points despite...
AC has no 250SX title and came as close as you can get to winning a main event. And now he sits 5th in points despite DNFing 1/6 motos.

I don't think anyone expects Ferrandis to dominate the 450s and be a title contender. If he can do what AC did minus the injuries he'll probably be happy for his first year.
In the power rankings, "industry experts" had AC higher than 2018 champ Jason Anderson, not to win a race, but to win the SX title. Half of Vital were claiming that AC was going to win the championship. He got 15th. And spare me that he got hurt. That's always been his issue.

Every year people lose their minds about the hot new rookie. As I said, it is hard to move up to the 450 class. It's not anything against DF, just that the expectations are ridiculous.

"I don't think anyone expects Ferrandis to dominate the 450s and be a title contender" - That is actually exactly what the OP claimed and what I was responding to.
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charge wrote:
Ever notice how in mxgp all those guys who graduate from that weak mx2 class go up to the stacked mx1 class and become a factor...
Ever notice how in mxgp all those guys who graduate from that weak mx2 class go up to the stacked mx1 class and become a factor?

I think it’s a riding technique thing. Ferrandis has great technique.
Huh
8/31/2020 11:18am
kage173 wrote:
In the power rankings, "industry experts" had AC higher than 2018 champ Jason Anderson, not to win a race, but to win the SX title. Half...
In the power rankings, "industry experts" had AC higher than 2018 champ Jason Anderson, not to win a race, but to win the SX title. Half of Vital were claiming that AC was going to win the championship. He got 15th. And spare me that he got hurt. That's always been his issue.

Every year people lose their minds about the hot new rookie. As I said, it is hard to move up to the 450 class. It's not anything against DF, just that the expectations are ridiculous.

"I don't think anyone expects Ferrandis to dominate the 450s and be a title contender" - That is actually exactly what the OP claimed and what I was responding to.
Well then I guess I agree with you.
I understood that OP thought he could win the whole thing eventually but not in his first year.

I can absolutely see him win multiple races, but winning the title is a different story, especially in SX.
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DV please come back to Twitter.
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8/31/2020 2:24pm
If Dylan struggles on the yz450 and Barcia steps it up on the Gasgas next year do we deduce anything from that?
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If Dylan struggles on the yz450 and Barcia steps it up on the Gasgas next year do we deduce anything from that?
Not the first year for Dylan.
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I'm a fan of DF. so don't say i'm a hater.

How many times have we seen this?
250 riders dominate, show mass speed & fitness, move up to the 450 with all the hype. get to the 450 class and back in 8th place. (which isnt even a bad result).


Id pick DF to be around 7th-10th in 450's.

DF will be 27 next year too...
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I'm a fan of DF. so don't say i'm a hater. How many times have we seen this? 250 riders dominate, show mass speed & fitness...
I'm a fan of DF. so don't say i'm a hater.

How many times have we seen this?
250 riders dominate, show mass speed & fitness, move up to the 450 with all the hype. get to the 450 class and back in 8th place. (which isnt even a bad result).


Id pick DF to be around 7th-10th in 450's.

DF will be 27 next year too...
You'll be surprised... DF lost time because of injuries, and having to learn new series/new country, but he's a winner, always been. I predict some podiums and a few crashes next year, and then after that it's game on, he'll be a title threat in 2022.
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Dylan has a few things going for him next year that some of his other competitors didn't have.

1. Dylan is older that Webb, Pless, and AC were when they moved up. They were still relatively young. Dylan is older so his body, mind, and race craft are a bit more seasoned i would say.
2. Dylan is not here to be a cool guy or show off, or any of those things that can catch a young man out when they start making seven figures regularly. He is here for one reason, to achieve his goals.
3. DV is correct when he says Dylan does everything asked of him without negotiating. Most American kids want to negotiate an easier route.
4. The Yamaha 450 is much better than the public believes. Barcia's bike is getting better isn't it.
5. The last 2-3 riders that had this type of speed and ability on a 125/250 all have initials everyone knows. RC, JS, RV.
6. He rides a 450 well, and already has instituted that type of style into what he is currently doing, so his learning curve should be a little less steep.
7. By 2022 there are going to be a few riders of the old guard, or current guard stepping away from the sport.
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jbutton wrote:
Dylan has a few things going for him next year that some of his other competitors didn't have. 1. Dylan is older that Webb, Pless, and...
Dylan has a few things going for him next year that some of his other competitors didn't have.

1. Dylan is older that Webb, Pless, and AC were when they moved up. They were still relatively young. Dylan is older so his body, mind, and race craft are a bit more seasoned i would say.
2. Dylan is not here to be a cool guy or show off, or any of those things that can catch a young man out when they start making seven figures regularly. He is here for one reason, to achieve his goals.
3. DV is correct when he says Dylan does everything asked of him without negotiating. Most American kids want to negotiate an easier route.
4. The Yamaha 450 is much better than the public believes. Barcia's bike is getting better isn't it.
5. The last 2-3 riders that had this type of speed and ability on a 125/250 all have initials everyone knows. RC, JS, RV.
6. He rides a 450 well, and already has instituted that type of style into what he is currently doing, so his learning curve should be a little less steep.
7. By 2022 there are going to be a few riders of the old guard, or current guard stepping away from the sport.
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I suspect he tried that 450 in the last race already, otherwise it's hard to explain that performance. So, he looked good by my bookSmile
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Every year- OMG... AC is sooo fast on the 250.. he is gonna crush in 450s..

OMG... Osborne is so fast... he is gonna crush 450s!!

OMG... Pless is sooo fast!! totally next level.. he is gonna crush in the 450s!!!

OMG... Webb is so fast... he is gonna crush 450s!!!

OMG... Dylan is Soooo Fast......!!! he is gonna....

How many total 450 nats has AC/Webb/Ozzy/Pless won so far combined???

I will believe it, when I see it...
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9/2/2020 11:16am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2020 11:18am
gt80rider wrote:
Every year- OMG... AC is sooo fast on the 250.. he is gonna crush in 450s.. OMG... Osborne is so fast... he is gonna crush 450s...
Every year- OMG... AC is sooo fast on the 250.. he is gonna crush in 450s..

OMG... Osborne is so fast... he is gonna crush 450s!!

OMG... Pless is sooo fast!! totally next level.. he is gonna crush in the 450s!!!

OMG... Webb is so fast... he is gonna crush 450s!!!

OMG... Dylan is Soooo Fast......!!! he is gonna....

How many total 450 nats has AC/Webb/Ozzy/Pless won so far combined???

I will believe it, when I see it...
AC, well AC did show speed that in the right time and place could've resulted in a rookie race win.

Osborne came in injured to his rookie season.

Plessinger? Nobody hyped him up for his rookie season, quite the opposite. He even admitted himself that his prep wasn't the best and he was off pace in interviews before 2019 A1.

Webb slacked and didn't work hard enough on the bike and off the bike when he jumped up to the 450 class. That is a known fact.
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150ripper wrote:
Team can only help in the first turn, AMA/track people can help anywhere.
philG wrote:
I heard him say it was Justin Starling's dad ( or another parent) .. if thats not the case and it was an official, then that...
I heard him say it was Justin Starling's dad ( or another parent) .. if thats not the case and it was an official, then that explains it
DonM wrote:
Justin Starlings dad is an official
Now you say that , i remember Justin saying something about that on the Pulp Show about his family being involved.

Thanks for clearing it up, i was surprised as it was right in front of pit lane, and i think a couple of guys got DQ'd , it made no sense to me.

Ferrandis has been ready for a 450 for a long time, but he was coming out of MX2 when there wernt many good rides up for grabs, and went to the US, as the French guys often do.. your gain, our loss.

He will be a threat from the start on a 450.
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