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With the video posted, that made me change my mind and a penalty is fair.
Doesn't matter if the flag looks like diver down, the meatball rising sun, polka-dots, or the Confederate flag- it has to be immediately identifiable by all riders, and can be the only flag being waved in that section.
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If they had both been waving the same no jump / red flag it would have been more clear.
The Dude: Walter, ya know, it's Smokey, so his toe slipped over the line a little, big deal. It's just a game, man.
Walter Sobchak: Dude, this is a league game, this determines who enters the next round robin. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Smokey: Yeah, but I wasn't over. Gimme the marker Dude, I'm marking it 8.
Walter Sobchak: [pulls out a gun] Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
The Dude: Walter...
Walter Sobchak: You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.
Smokey: I'm not...
Walter Sobchak: A world of pain.
Smokey: Dude, he's your partner...
Walter Sobchak: [shouting] Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules? Mark it zero!
The Dude: They're calling the cops, put the piece away.
Walter Sobchak: Mark it zero!
[points gun in Smokey's face]
The Dude: Walter...
Walter Sobchak: [shouting] You think I'm fucking around here? Mark it zero!
Smokey: All right, it's fucking zero. Are you happy, you crazy fuck?
Walter Sobchak: ...It's a league game, Smokey.
the speeds, the jumps, much of this can be helped it a simple broadcast, "rider down back side of jump such and such.
why no radios in this sport is beyond me who or what are they protecting?
of course I still hope for 2 strokes on a level playing field like 500's and 450's head to head. but i am old and feeble.
If you are not going to red flag the race (which I don't believe is necessary) you definitely have to do something to prevent a repeat of the Alessi incident. Yes Josh "should" have seen that flag and heeded it but for some reason he didn't do a good enough job of it. Do something that can't be missed like laying a banner down across the track or throwing a handful of those mini orange caution cones out. That would be unusual enough that it would be nearly impossible to miss. Tell them that when they cross that line they have to be in 1st gear until they get past the downed rider.
I realize this idea is a little corny but I think it might be good to think outside the box here for something this important.
i am glad DC is covering the reasons well on here but he shouldn't have to really. that video is more than sufficient and distinct proof that the call to dock was correct. i suspect all 33 saw on that flag was "alessi is gonna pass yer ass so gas it man" that other rider just goes "WTF was that" when 33 passed him in the air.
you can tell grant is afraid of alessis speed at his reaction to that flag...afuckingmazing.
From the front view it looks like it was hard to for JG33 to see the no jump flag and the flagger was close to the lip of the jump.
From the rear it was clear the flagger had the flag out and was 20 feet from the lip and moving the flag somewhat. JG33 should have saw it and not jumped.
Chalk up a good call by the AMA, AMA Pro Racing, DMG, MXSports and whoever else has their hand in the pot of the Nationals decisions.
DC and crew are doing a "bang up" job on the Nationals so far. If only he could get the 250's in the 250 class......................
Might be able to finally identify the gay Suzuki rider.
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or not... just thought it might help save a downed rider or a racers position... ;-)
1. 2 different flags could be very confusing. I understand DC's explanation that only certain officials are given the authority to throw the yellow/red flag but all the flaggers should have it available that once it is thrown then they all have the same flag.
2. Where was the blue flag telling that lapper that the leaders were coming?
3. Did the lapper get penalized because his wheels came off the ground and he jumped half way down the jump?
4. DC states that they are gathering opinions and discussing with people that there may be a change with the color from yellow to white. BINGO there is a problem or why make that statement. So how do you penalize any of the riders? All of them should get their points and spots reinstated. You are saying it yourself DC.
5. When the yellow/red flag is thrown for a certain part of the track and the riders can't jump and need to slow down, how long does that flag stay up for that section? If something happens in front of the leaders and they get the yellow/red flag will that section stay that way until all the riders have passed it otherwise wouldn't a rider 15 or 20 seconds back get an advantage as they may have clear sailing through it.
It use to be yellow.. use judgement and no passing
white with red cross... roll everything.
when did it change?
The triple he jumped was difficult to do on a 250 and you had to commit to and really rail the turn, and when he came around the corner he didn't see the red flasher till the last second and you could tell he saw it because he chopped the throttle at the last second and cased the triple really hard.
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