2021 KTM 250F Next Gen?

Ter12
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Ter12 4/8/2020 1:21pm
4/8/2020 1:21pm
zehn wrote:
MXA... 😂😂
Some of MXA’s articles are great others are just 🤦‍♂️
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SPYGUY 4/8/2020 1:33pm
4/8/2020 1:33pm
Say what you want about MXA, but their reviews are far more accurate than the fluff pieces other magazines (used to?) publish.
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GhostofGrapeApe 4/8/2020 1:35pm
4/8/2020 1:35pm
Mossy wrote:
These days I wish they’d give the models more time before an update. Every 5 years is fine with me
OneWordResponseGuy wrote:
Your profile pic says you are fine with 10 year intervals as well.
Racer111 wrote:
Your profile pic imply’s you didn’t pay attention in school. I’d rather be smart and no how to maintain a bike for 10 years than have...
Your profile pic imply’s you didn’t pay attention in school.

I’d rather be smart and no how to maintain a bike for
10 years than have a new bike every other year because I’m dumber than a fence post. Just saying....
Look, I hate to be that guy, but if you're going to attack someone's education and intelligence, at least know the difference between "no" and "know". Not to mention "imply's".
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zehn 4/8/2020 1:42pm
4/8/2020 1:42pm
SPYGUY wrote:
Say what you want about MXA, but their reviews are far more accurate than the fluff pieces other magazines (used to?) publish.
No argument from me on that, but like was said above, some of their articles make me Blink
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Squirrelings 4/8/2020 1:44pm
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OneWordResponseGuy wrote:
Funny, cause you have hundreds (the only kind *your* tea size brain allows you to make, it appears). Pretty sure you got a temp ban recently...
Funny, cause you have hundreds (the only kind *your* tea size brain allows you to make, it appears). Pretty sure you got a temp ban recently too.
Sorry, I only speak English.
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AJ565 4/8/2020 2:01pm
4/8/2020 2:01pm
Johnny Depp wrote:
AJ when the Blue bikes clean up in the shootouts, and it's almost always because of suspension... It seems like some companies can get it right...
AJ when the Blue bikes clean up in the shootouts, and it's almost always because of suspension...

It seems like some companies can get it right for most.
AJ565 wrote:
Key word there is when. I googled 18, 19, and 20 450 shootouts and KTM won 18 and 19 (I went with MXA because they were...
Key word there is when. I googled 18, 19, and 20 450 shootouts and KTM won 18 and 19 (I went with MXA because they were the first result and I didn't want to dig more) and 1st or 3rd (depending on if you ride vet or pro) for the 2020.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Yep, because MXA spends months on the bikes and figure out setup etc. The are mostly all by themselves in the media going with KTM, Blue...
Yep, because MXA spends months on the bikes and figure out setup etc. The are mostly all by themselves in the media going with KTM, Blue wins the vast majority.
So by that logic you're saying that there is no point in correctly setting up the bike. It is what it is off the show room floor right?

I don't know about you, but if I wanted a review of something spending months riding them and getting them set up right and then giving a review vs. a we rode all 6 bikes in one day at one track and X is the best bike we rode I'd have to take the more in depth review more seriously.
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Johnny Depp 4/8/2020 3:32pm
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AJ565 wrote:
Key word there is when. I googled 18, 19, and 20 450 shootouts and KTM won 18 and 19 (I went with MXA because they were...
Key word there is when. I googled 18, 19, and 20 450 shootouts and KTM won 18 and 19 (I went with MXA because they were the first result and I didn't want to dig more) and 1st or 3rd (depending on if you ride vet or pro) for the 2020.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Yep, because MXA spends months on the bikes and figure out setup etc. The are mostly all by themselves in the media going with KTM, Blue...
Yep, because MXA spends months on the bikes and figure out setup etc. The are mostly all by themselves in the media going with KTM, Blue wins the vast majority.
AJ565 wrote:
So by that logic you're saying that there is no point in correctly setting up the bike. It is what it is off the show room...
So by that logic you're saying that there is no point in correctly setting up the bike. It is what it is off the show room floor right?

I don't know about you, but if I wanted a review of something spending months riding them and getting them set up right and then giving a review vs. a we rode all 6 bikes in one day at one track and X is the best bike we rode I'd have to take the more in depth review more seriously.
Of course, we agree. I much prefer MXA, they race.

My point is, KTM loses the vast majority of shootouts because of suspension which is difficult to master.
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GhostofGrapeApe 4/8/2020 4:08pm
4/8/2020 4:08pm
Johnny Depp wrote:
Yep, because MXA spends months on the bikes and figure out setup etc. The are mostly all by themselves in the media going with KTM, Blue...
Yep, because MXA spends months on the bikes and figure out setup etc. The are mostly all by themselves in the media going with KTM, Blue wins the vast majority.
AJ565 wrote:
So by that logic you're saying that there is no point in correctly setting up the bike. It is what it is off the show room...
So by that logic you're saying that there is no point in correctly setting up the bike. It is what it is off the show room floor right?

I don't know about you, but if I wanted a review of something spending months riding them and getting them set up right and then giving a review vs. a we rode all 6 bikes in one day at one track and X is the best bike we rode I'd have to take the more in depth review more seriously.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Of course, we agree. I much prefer MXA, they race. My point is, KTM loses the vast majority of shootouts because of suspension which is difficult...
Of course, we agree. I much prefer MXA, they race.

My point is, KTM loses the vast majority of shootouts because of suspension which is difficult to master.
Are you aware of any test riders for any of the other media shootouts that don't race? That seems like a ridiculous premise on which to develop a preference.
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Johnny Depp 4/8/2020 7:19pm
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AJ565 wrote:
So by that logic you're saying that there is no point in correctly setting up the bike. It is what it is off the show room...
So by that logic you're saying that there is no point in correctly setting up the bike. It is what it is off the show room floor right?

I don't know about you, but if I wanted a review of something spending months riding them and getting them set up right and then giving a review vs. a we rode all 6 bikes in one day at one track and X is the best bike we rode I'd have to take the more in depth review more seriously.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Of course, we agree. I much prefer MXA, they race. My point is, KTM loses the vast majority of shootouts because of suspension which is difficult...
Of course, we agree. I much prefer MXA, they race.

My point is, KTM loses the vast majority of shootouts because of suspension which is difficult to master.
GhostofGrapeApe wrote:
Are you aware of any test riders for any of the other media shootouts that don't race? That seems like a ridiculous premise on which to...
Are you aware of any test riders for any of the other media shootouts that don't race? That seems like a ridiculous premise on which to develop a preference.
I can count on 1 hand the test riders that race MX regularly besides MXA. 1 week or whatever is not the same as what MXA does. It's not fair to any bike not to spend enough time with it to learn how to set it up effectively.

I establish my preference and you establish yours. IMO they all suck if we don't start getting lap times. It is far more important than opinions.
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soggy 4/9/2020 7:26am
4/9/2020 7:26am
shootouts are dumb anyway. I appreciate the way Keefer does things. He takes every bike and tries to get that bike as good as it can be.

There are way to many variables in a 'shoutout' to put much weight into the results.
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captmoto 4/9/2020 10:04am
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Boomslang wrote:
...and do what with the suspension? Bikes are plenty expensive as it is... you cant have bikes coming OTD with A-kit due to the cost. The...
...and do what with the suspension?

Bikes are plenty expensive as it is... you cant have bikes coming OTD with A-kit due to the cost.

The current stock suspension is pretty good off the floor for the average joe and Its up the the individual to spend the $$$ to have it set up for himself.

I'm not picking an argument with you but the reality is that the cost of new bikes are already ludicrous.
Not so sure of that. Look at the number of people that dump AER48s and add Cone Valves or nearly $2k for KYB internals, $700 ignitions and $1000 wheel sets. Same people many times that bitch about the OTD cost of the bikes.
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Teemu 4/9/2020 1:15pm
4/9/2020 1:15pm
Tonynz wrote:
KTM normally work on a 3 year cycle, 2019 was the first year of this cycle. I heard they could be on a 4 year cycle...
KTM normally work on a 3 year cycle, 2019 was the first year of this cycle. I heard they could be on a 4 year cycle this time.
Yep I heard the same thing. 4 years this time with current models. First big change will probably be the 2022.5 factory edition. 2023 new frame, motor, plastics etc. At least for 4-strokes. Plan for the 2-strokes I don't know.

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