Yamaha is introducing a new 2-stroke!!!

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3/10/2020 9:45am
Hell has frozen over… And it looks shredable!
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3/10/2020 9:50am
Looks pretty good to me! https://arcticcat.txtsv.com/snow/mid-sized/blast-zr [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/10/409683/s1200_Artic_Cat_400_cc_2_Stroke_Engine.jpg[/img]
bh84 wrote:
SKi-Doo has a 600 EFI twin making 20 more hp for less money. In the snowmobile world that engine is going to flop hard.
While true I think Cat here is trying a real platformed engine approach.

What I mean by this is the engine is obviously going in a sled, but sure seems like it would go in a snow bike very well.

Cat tried to do a snowbike by working with Sherco but it fell through. I think they take this 400 engine, build a ground up snowbike, not some conversion thing, and they could take that market over if done right.

Just my thoughts based on pure speculation.
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WoodsRacer wrote:
While true I think Cat here is trying a real platformed engine approach. What I mean by this is the engine is obviously going in a...
While true I think Cat here is trying a real platformed engine approach.

What I mean by this is the engine is obviously going in a sled, but sure seems like it would go in a snow bike very well.

Cat tried to do a snowbike by working with Sherco but it fell through. I think they take this 400 engine, build a ground up snowbike, not some conversion thing, and they could take that market over if done right.

Just my thoughts based on pure speculation.
The only thing Arctic Cat had to do with that snowbike was applying the stickers....lol

As you said it was a Sherco bike with a Camso kit.

Would be awesome to see them actually build a snowbike with that 400cc 2-stroke motor though.
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arctic cat ctec2 powered. 794cc cat engine.

i have the same sled but its green. Smile just a re-badged cat. yamaha swore off 2 strokes long time ago and they aren't coming back to that world.

the 7/8th version is an arctic cat blast re-badged as well...and its just ctec2 cut in half (single cylinder 400)


pic of my sled, same thing as this yamaha.


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3/10/2020 10:27am
WoodsRacer wrote:
While true I think Cat here is trying a real platformed engine approach. What I mean by this is the engine is obviously going in a...
While true I think Cat here is trying a real platformed engine approach.

What I mean by this is the engine is obviously going in a sled, but sure seems like it would go in a snow bike very well.

Cat tried to do a snowbike by working with Sherco but it fell through. I think they take this 400 engine, build a ground up snowbike, not some conversion thing, and they could take that market over if done right.

Just my thoughts based on pure speculation.
jbrown15 wrote:
The only thing Arctic Cat had to do with that snowbike was applying the stickers....lol As you said it was a Sherco bike with a Camso...
The only thing Arctic Cat had to do with that snowbike was applying the stickers....lol

As you said it was a Sherco bike with a Camso kit.

Would be awesome to see them actually build a snowbike with that 400cc 2-stroke motor though.
Cat did a touch more than that.

Yes it was a Sherco with a Camso kit added on. However Cat also did a couple things. One, developed a dual action master cylinder for the left hand, actuates the rear brake first, then the clutch. Think Hayes actually made the dual action master for Cat. Was needed since sleds require a left hand brake. Made some new plastics to better cover exhaust and other components since sleds have some weird touch point requirements. Lastly and the one that really killed it was an exhaust system that passed sound requirements. When the exhaust passed sound the engine made no power and the muffler was so heavy it broke sub frames.
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Negative on your last. BRP has E-TEC patented. The Textron DI engines are more of a hybrid, semi-direct injection.
bh84 wrote:
If they weren't attempting to copycat, or at least market it as a very similar technology, they wouldn't have called it Ctech.
A lot like Polaris and Ski Doo getting rid of the trailing arm front suspension to copy Arctic Cat
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3/10/2020 11:04am
Beaudzz118 wrote:
Interesting knowing they can pull 65hp out of a 400cc single 2t efi , get that tech in a bike!
KTMmarkus wrote:
A 300 TPI has like what? 48 hp? 55~ with a VHM head... So the tech is already here.
2 Outstanding observations!

Then the Best quote! KTMmarkus..............

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---------------------"I will add, to Buy 4-Strokes"!!!!!!-----------------

So Yamaha make a deal with Artic Cat for the Engine (just like you did for the Snowmobile), and insert it into a YZ 250F Frame, what are you waiting ON, DUH????????

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3/10/2020 11:14am
Take a look at views vs. responses, total click bait.

Let's not forget my violation of the E-bikes in Moto. And Beta IS Moto.
Wow I didn't know you were a mind reader? 🙄🤣

Clickbait was not my intention at all I just thought it was very interesting how they got away from 2-stroke dirt bikes yes I know they still make a YZ250 with old technology.

But unlike some other manufacturers the Japanese have not updated the 2-stroke dirt bike line yet they come out with this, that was my point. Cool
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3/10/2020 11:56am






MX & Off-Road Sport would grow again with this Bike!
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3/10/2020 12:04pm
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp...


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3/10/2020 12:34pm
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/10/409717/s1200_2020_03_10_15_02_14_2021_Summit_for_Sale_Deep_Snow_Snowmobile_Ski_Doo_Ski_Doo_USA.jpg[/img]
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp...


rode one this weekend. its impressive. its not a true to the word turbo tho, it is an altitude compensatory turbo...meaning it only kicks in as altitude robs your power.

meaning...if you ride it at 0 altitude the turbo is useless. as you climb in altitude, the turbo generates boost to compensate. its actually quite ingenious system.

running 2 stroke turbos at sea level is the big hang up...need really high octane for them to run without detonation. this new skidoo functions at all elevations on pump gas.
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3/10/2020 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2020 1:29pm
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/10/409717/s1200_2020_03_10_15_02_14_2021_Summit_for_Sale_Deep_Snow_Snowmobile_Ski_Doo_Ski_Doo_USA.jpg[/img]
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp...


dboivin wrote:
rode one this weekend. its impressive. its not a true to the word turbo tho, it is an altitude compensatory turbo...meaning it only kicks in as...
rode one this weekend. its impressive. its not a true to the word turbo tho, it is an altitude compensatory turbo...meaning it only kicks in as altitude robs your power.

meaning...if you ride it at 0 altitude the turbo is useless. as you climb in altitude, the turbo generates boost to compensate. its actually quite ingenious system.

running 2 stroke turbos at sea level is the big hang up...need really high octane for them to run without detonation. this new skidoo functions at all elevations on pump gas.
I have been riding the 2020.5 turbo |Summit for the last month, the area's I ride are 5000-8000feet, trust me it is INCREDIBLE, it blows any N/A sled out of the water. Its the most fun, easy to ride sled out there.
3/10/2020 1:47pm
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/10/409717/s1200_2020_03_10_15_02_14_2021_Summit_for_Sale_Deep_Snow_Snowmobile_Ski_Doo_Ski_Doo_USA.jpg[/img]
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp...


dboivin wrote:
rode one this weekend. its impressive. its not a true to the word turbo tho, it is an altitude compensatory turbo...meaning it only kicks in as...
rode one this weekend. its impressive. its not a true to the word turbo tho, it is an altitude compensatory turbo...meaning it only kicks in as altitude robs your power.

meaning...if you ride it at 0 altitude the turbo is useless. as you climb in altitude, the turbo generates boost to compensate. its actually quite ingenious system.

running 2 stroke turbos at sea level is the big hang up...need really high octane for them to run without detonation. this new skidoo functions at all elevations on pump gas.
But some of us get to ride at 8000 feet and up Cool
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How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/10/409717/s1200_2020_03_10_15_02_14_2021_Summit_for_Sale_Deep_Snow_Snowmobile_Ski_Doo_Ski_Doo_USA.jpg[/img]
How about Ski-doo's new factory turbo 850 2T? 165hp...


dboivin wrote:
rode one this weekend. its impressive. its not a true to the word turbo tho, it is an altitude compensatory turbo...meaning it only kicks in as...
rode one this weekend. its impressive. its not a true to the word turbo tho, it is an altitude compensatory turbo...meaning it only kicks in as altitude robs your power.

meaning...if you ride it at 0 altitude the turbo is useless. as you climb in altitude, the turbo generates boost to compensate. its actually quite ingenious system.

running 2 stroke turbos at sea level is the big hang up...need really high octane for them to run without detonation. this new skidoo functions at all elevations on pump gas.
three9zero wrote:
I have been riding the 2020.5 turbo |Summit for the last month, the area's I ride are 5000-8000feet, trust me it is INCREDIBLE, it blows any...
I have been riding the 2020.5 turbo |Summit for the last month, the area's I ride are 5000-8000feet, trust me it is INCREDIBLE, it blows any N/A sled out of the water. Its the most fun, easy to ride sled out there.
don't doubt its incredible. rode one in island park this weekend and yes its nice. I've also rode silber/boondockers pushing 7-10#'s...i like them much better Tongue hehe. as i said, very cool what ski-doo did here. great production sled. pushing the manufactures to innovate.
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3/10/2020 4:17pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2020 4:24pm
Where's the Braaaaap!!! soundclip?

I got yer BRAAAAP right here!
https://youtu.be/OSZFkBG5hVY

Someone needs to come and take her off my hands she's collecting dust! Smile


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3/10/2020 4:46pm
Where's the Braaaaap!!! soundclip?

G-man wrote:
I got yer BRAAAAP right here! https://youtu.be/OSZFkBG5hVY Someone needs to come and take her off my hands she's collecting dust! :) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/10/409766/s1200_20200208_110513.jpg[/img]
I got yer BRAAAAP right here!
https://youtu.be/OSZFkBG5hVY

Someone needs to come and take her off my hands she's collecting dust! Smile


Yeah baby!!!

(I'm moist now)... lol....
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3/10/2020 6:27pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2020 6:27pm
Take a look at views vs. responses, total click bait.

Let's not forget my violation of the E-bikes in Moto. And Beta IS Moto.
G-man wrote:
Wow I didn't know you were a mind reader? 🙄🤣 Clickbait was not my intention at all I just thought it was very interesting how they...
Wow I didn't know you were a mind reader? 🙄🤣

Clickbait was not my intention at all I just thought it was very interesting how they got away from 2-stroke dirt bikes yes I know they still make a YZ250 with old technology.

But unlike some other manufacturers the Japanese have not updated the 2-stroke dirt bike line yet they come out with this, that was my point. Cool
No problem, lot's of people want to talk about it and that's what we are here for. Still think the title could mention snowmobiles.

I'll take this opportunity to once again mention a company that HAS most recently developed a brand new 2 stroke engine for dirt bikes. You know, Beta. There is of course Team Austria, TM and Sherco also cranking out fresh 2t product, for things with 2 wheels.
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3/10/2020 8:05pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2020 8:07pm
No problem, lot's of people want to talk about it and that's what we are here for. Still think the title could mention snowmobiles. I'll take...
No problem, lot's of people want to talk about it and that's what we are here for. Still think the title could mention snowmobiles.

I'll take this opportunity to once again mention a company that HAS most recently developed a brand new 2 stroke engine for dirt bikes. You know, Beta. There is of course Team Austria, TM and Sherco also cranking out fresh 2t product, for things with 2 wheels.
I'll make sure to get your approval for my next thread topic..... Laughing

btw why is your name "Johnny Depp" you sure don't look like him, I think you should change it! Smile
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3/10/2020 8:33pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2020 8:38pm
No problem, lot's of people want to talk about it and that's what we are here for. Still think the title could mention snowmobiles. I'll take...
No problem, lot's of people want to talk about it and that's what we are here for. Still think the title could mention snowmobiles.

I'll take this opportunity to once again mention a company that HAS most recently developed a brand new 2 stroke engine for dirt bikes. You know, Beta. There is of course Team Austria, TM and Sherco also cranking out fresh 2t product, for things with 2 wheels.
G-man wrote:
I'll make sure to get your approval for my next thread topic..... :laugh: btw why is your name "Johnny Depp" you sure don't look like him...
I'll make sure to get your approval for my next thread topic..... Laughing

btw why is your name "Johnny Depp" you sure don't look like him, I think you should change it! Smile
Glad I can helpTongue

Yeh, he has given us a bad name lately. When I ordered my Beta BYOB they offer a name plate "custom built for", but my last name with 13 letters wouldn't fit, so it got shortened to fit. Started using it in forums so I could remember how to log in. It's John Depperschmidt, JD to most. I still find it kinda weird that people use alias's online. I mean what is a G-Man?

That Icon photo is with some Red Bull girls who I found in the crowd of a bar in Austin the weekend of the MotoGP, I think they make me look good.. Not sure if they really believed I was with the team...
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Glad I can help:P Yeh, he has given us a bad name lately. When I ordered my Beta BYOB they offer a name plate "custom built...
Glad I can helpTongue

Yeh, he has given us a bad name lately. When I ordered my Beta BYOB they offer a name plate "custom built for", but my last name with 13 letters wouldn't fit, so it got shortened to fit. Started using it in forums so I could remember how to log in. It's John Depperschmidt, JD to most. I still find it kinda weird that people use alias's online. I mean what is a G-Man?

That Icon photo is with some Red Bull girls who I found in the crowd of a bar in Austin the weekend of the MotoGP, I think they make me look good.. Not sure if they really believed I was with the team...
You're crazy if you think people should use their real names especially on a place like this. Woohoo

My old buddy gave me that name.
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3/11/2020 8:45am
Looks pretty good to me! https://arcticcat.txtsv.com/snow/mid-sized/blast-zr [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/10/409683/s1200_Artic_Cat_400_cc_2_Stroke_Engine.jpg[/img]
bh84 wrote:
SKi-Doo has a 600 EFI twin making 20 more hp for less money. In the snowmobile world that engine is going to flop hard.
Probably be more interested in how much this Engine Weighs vs a 450? I did find the Weight of a KTM 250......which is 7 lbs Heavier...
Probably be more interested in how much this Engine Weighs vs a 450? I did find the Weight of a KTM 250......which is 7 lbs Heavier, ..........not so good.

250 SX-F ENGINE
The 250 SX-F engine is known to be the strongest engine in its engine class. And with updates on valve timing, exhaust, airbox and EMS the entire power pack produces even more torque and power across the entire rpm range up to 14,000 rpm. Its compact architecture contributes to an excellent mass centralization. This supports the easy rideability of the bike together with a --------------------- (low weight of only 57 lb) -------------------------, including the incredibly beneficial electric starter.
You are comparing apples to oranges, a motocross engine has a clutch and gearbox attached to it.

For comparison to that KTM250SX-F: I just placed a current YZ250 engine on a reasonably accurate bathroom scale and read 54 pounds (with everything but the carburetor).
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The same guy who mentioned there was a new 65 Yamaha coming well prior to its release has hinted there is also something new brewing for Yamaha 2 wheeled 2 stroke fans. Hope this guy is also correct. Keffer has mentioned on pulpmx podcast that he has been working on something in Japan that can't be talked about yet.. Am hoping for a proper 2 stroke enduro bike or mx 300

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