Why did you make the switch from a 250 to a 450?

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250f here as well. To me it is more fun pushing yourself. Bad starts are a bad technique. 250f can easily grab a holeshot
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arunkxf wrote:
Are they that much more of an animal power and weight? I've also thought about a 450, but too scared to try it. I'd say I'm...
Are they that much more of an animal power and weight? I've also thought about a 450, but too scared to try it. I'd say I'm a smooth rider, but feel like i wouldn't be able to ride it, more like it taking me for a ride
Here's a review of the 2020 Yamahas you might find helpful! I posted this in the thread where the guy wanted everyone riding 250fs so it's a little out of context but still has the info you're looking for in it. If you have any sense of throttle control you'll be fine. As far as it being heaver I didn't notice but I'm a bigger guy myself at a little over 200 pounds. I'd try a friends if you get the chance. I was in the same boat as you. Now looking to pick up a 450 as soon as I can.


"I used to agree with the OP but recently had my mind changed at a recent Yamaha demo day.

I ride a YZ250 and wanted to try out the 4 strokes not having ridden one in a long time. So I started started on the 250f and it did have more than enough power but had to ride it pretty hard to go faster and it got me fatigued pretty fast, much like my YZ250. And didn't notice a huge power difference between the two either. The newer 250f wasn't far off. I left it on the "aggressive" map.

Next was the 450. I had only spun a couple laps on an 09 right around that year so I was nervous just at the idea of riding the bike having it been that long. The Yamaha tech said "it's on the more mellow map but you can switch to the aggressive while you're out there." I responded by telling him it had been a while, so I was just going to leave it on the mellow map. I have two say, after just a few sections, that was the easiest motocross bike I had ever ridden! I stayed in 2nd and 3rd pretty much the whole time and was able to ride it fast with much less effort. I am now in love with the 450. That being said I was in the mellow map. I should have switched to aggressive once i got more comfortable but was having so much fun with that map I didn't even think to change it. I don't doubt that the aggressive map is a rideable one though.

After riding both I now think it ultimately comes down to riding within your means. I feel like if I had a full day on both the 250f and the 450 I might have more of a chance getting hurt on the 250f just because it wore me out so fast. But power wise, I think you could still go out and do any big jump a 450 would do with the same risk. I have the goal to make it home every night and to work on Monday so I won't be hitting those jumps but any kid with massive balls is going to do it no matter what displacement he's on if he really wants to. I do like the idea of the mellow map option like others have mentioned. It's definitely not a buzz kill like you would imagine."
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2/25/2020 9:31am
After I realized I could ride the thing all the way around the track in 3rd gear. It's a vet riders dream IMO
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I always wished that all the manufactures made a 350f around 48-50 rwhp that's right in the middle of a 250f and 450f torque curve with the weight closer to a 250f. The KTM/Husky 350 is in a league of its own with over 50 RWHP and a 14,000 rev limit but I still like what they're doing. Sometimes riding a 250f I would like more torque, grunt and overall power but after riding some 450's I can see the power and weight is just too much for some people and wears you down faster. Even the newer 250f's are going for more peak power and RPM these days and loosing low end power which favor younger and faster riders which I understand. I own a 20 crf250r and the power spread is night and day different from my modded 14 crf270 big bore which I favor over the 20 right now. I just think a lower weight 350f would be the perfect bike for so many people me included. Too bad it probably won't happen.

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I went from a 17 KTM 250 two stroke to a 19 CRF250R. The KTM was too much for my skill (at the time) and wore me out big time. It was incredibly difficult to ride for longer than 15 minutes on the track I normally ride on (dry hard slick ashy, sand dirt). On the 250f, I have a ton more fun and easier for me to handle, also made me focus on my corner speed because I didn't have the extra horsepower to get over bigger jumps out of turns. But I don't get to hear that sweet two banger underneath me. I will own another 250 2 stroke again someday, but my main steed is the 250f. ZERO interest in a 450, I KNOW I will hurt myself or worse... someone else.
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After I realized I could ride the thing all the way around the track in 3rd gear. It's a vet riders dream IMO
AMEN! Had a 350 and it was fun but I found myself getting worn out. I am not comfy at 14000 rooms never mind 12000. I put my FC 450 in 3rd and rarely shift and if I have to, it's up.
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I'd be willing to bet you get downvotes because you start each post with barnett468.

It's ridiculous. Just log in your other account.
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Because I pointed out in the 250’s... ok just kidding.

Actually it’s because I’m 6’2” 225lbs of raw steel and sex appeal.
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arunkxf wrote:
Are they that much more of an animal power and weight? I've also thought about a 450, but too scared to try it. I'd say I'm...
Are they that much more of an animal power and weight? I've also thought about a 450, but too scared to try it. I'd say I'm a smooth rider, but feel like i wouldn't be able to ride it, more like it taking me for a ride
psg119 wrote:
Here's a review of the 2020 Yamahas you might find helpful! I posted this in the thread where the guy wanted everyone riding 250fs so it's...
Here's a review of the 2020 Yamahas you might find helpful! I posted this in the thread where the guy wanted everyone riding 250fs so it's a little out of context but still has the info you're looking for in it. If you have any sense of throttle control you'll be fine. As far as it being heaver I didn't notice but I'm a bigger guy myself at a little over 200 pounds. I'd try a friends if you get the chance. I was in the same boat as you. Now looking to pick up a 450 as soon as I can.


"I used to agree with the OP but recently had my mind changed at a recent Yamaha demo day.

I ride a YZ250 and wanted to try out the 4 strokes not having ridden one in a long time. So I started started on the 250f and it did have more than enough power but had to ride it pretty hard to go faster and it got me fatigued pretty fast, much like my YZ250. And didn't notice a huge power difference between the two either. The newer 250f wasn't far off. I left it on the "aggressive" map.

Next was the 450. I had only spun a couple laps on an 09 right around that year so I was nervous just at the idea of riding the bike having it been that long. The Yamaha tech said "it's on the more mellow map but you can switch to the aggressive while you're out there." I responded by telling him it had been a while, so I was just going to leave it on the mellow map. I have two say, after just a few sections, that was the easiest motocross bike I had ever ridden! I stayed in 2nd and 3rd pretty much the whole time and was able to ride it fast with much less effort. I am now in love with the 450. That being said I was in the mellow map. I should have switched to aggressive once i got more comfortable but was having so much fun with that map I didn't even think to change it. I don't doubt that the aggressive map is a rideable one though.

After riding both I now think it ultimately comes down to riding within your means. I feel like if I had a full day on both the 250f and the 450 I might have more of a chance getting hurt on the 250f just because it wore me out so fast. But power wise, I think you could still go out and do any big jump a 450 would do with the same risk. I have the goal to make it home every night and to work on Monday so I won't be hitting those jumps but any kid with massive balls is going to do it no matter what displacement he's on if he really wants to. I do like the idea of the mellow map option like others have mentioned. It's definitely not a buzz kill like you would imagine."
Thank for this, some good insight.

Always thought about a newer crf450
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I don't know why you got so many dislikes... but this is so true. I am one of that people. The problem with me is that...
I don't know why you got so many dislikes... but this is so true. I am one of that people. The problem with me is that I don't have much time for training and if you want to ride a 450, you need fitness as 450s don't forgive mistakes.

I made a switch to 2019 YZ450F, but it was too powerful for me so I decided to switch back to 2020 YZ250F and I haven't regretted. 450s are great for turns, at least for me, but once you open the throttle, it is really powerful.

Agreed. What wears me out is the power. I have bad form and this bike just gives me arm pump like crazy. I find myself hanging on with my arms too much. Just got a yz125 though so I’m excited to ride more and get less tired
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My corner speed is not like it was when I was 19 so it helps me get over some jumps
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kawi_guy07 wrote:
I’m just curious when you guys think it’s the right time for someone to step up to a 450 from a 250? Are there certain things...
I’m just curious when you guys think it’s the right time for someone to step up to a 450 from a 250? Are there certain things you should accomplish or milestones to get pass on a 250 first?

What made you take the step up?
I went from a 125 to a 250 at 13 then from a 250 to open bike at 14...well actually an RM370. The more power, the better and faster you can go. Of course that was last century so it's a bit different today. 😁
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2/26/2020 9:21am
450 makes me tired easily. Sometimes I struggle to get over the monster jumps on my 250 but I remind myself in 33 years old and won't be getting a pro contract anytime soon so I just roll it and enjoy my health.
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arunkxf wrote:
Thank for this, some good insight.

Always thought about a newer crf450
No problem man. Looks like there might be a new crf450 next year that might be worth waiting for.
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2/26/2020 10:06am Edited Date/Time 2/26/2020 10:07am
I rode the shit out of the 250F coming off a 250 2 stroke long time ago and it was so much more fun to ride and was faster and I was faster but at 210 pounds I went to 450. Loved the 450 and could blip the throttle to clear jumps I couldn’t on 250f but I missed the 250f a lot. Was just too heavy for it.

In fact I rode the 30 plus class on the 250f locally but not enough competition so I rode the 125c class that had over 20 riders and got like 4th. I was proud of that being an old fart racing against the youngsters and clearing a big ass table top jump with it.
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2/26/2020 11:02am Edited Date/Time 2/26/2020 11:04am
45, stepped away 17 years. Don’t ride a ton, own a few 450’s and a few 250F’s. Prefer the 250F all day over the 450F.
I Just tend to be in better position On the bike more often with the 250F’s power.
When I ride the 450, I know in about 20 minutes they’ll be riding me! 😂
Yes I’m heavy for a 250f. I believe leaving the sport on 2T’s and returning 17 years later on 4T’s ,the 250f leans towards be ridden more like a two stroke. I still use the clutch way too much on the 450’s.
I’m also at the age where I’m not letting my ego get in the way of my talent...
My 250F’s are about the same HP as my late 90’s YZ.🤷🏻‍♂️

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6’2” 195 lbs. have been that height and weight for ever, have always had a hard time going fast on 250f.
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One cool thing about the new Yamaha 450 is you can detune the bike to make it easier to ride. Super easy to do. I had this same dilemma......250F or 450F as a second bike. I went with the 450F with the mindset that if i need it to run like a 250F i'll slow it down with the mapping. So far....works well.
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Moto520 wrote:
One cool thing about the new Yamaha 450 is you can detune the bike to make it easier to ride. Super easy to do. I had...
One cool thing about the new Yamaha 450 is you can detune the bike to make it easier to ride. Super easy to do. I had this same dilemma......250F or 450F as a second bike. I went with the 450F with the mindset that if i need it to run like a 250F i'll slow it down with the mapping. So far....works well.
Are you a taller rider? I’ve read the YZ can feel cramped for taller riders, I’m only about 5’11 /6’ on a good day and the yz seems like a great bike.
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Moto520 wrote:
One cool thing about the new Yamaha 450 is you can detune the bike to make it easier to ride. Super easy to do. I had...
One cool thing about the new Yamaha 450 is you can detune the bike to make it easier to ride. Super easy to do. I had this same dilemma......250F or 450F as a second bike. I went with the 450F with the mindset that if i need it to run like a 250F i'll slow it down with the mapping. So far....works well.
Pirate421 wrote:
Are you a taller rider? I’ve read the YZ can feel cramped for taller riders, I’m only about 5’11 /6’ on a good day and the...
Are you a taller rider? I’ve read the YZ can feel cramped for taller riders, I’m only about 5’11 /6’ on a good day and the yz seems like a great bike.
Yes...I’m 6’3”. The bike is good for a tall rider once set up with the normal crap
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I’m old school but I moved to a 500cc 2 stroke from a 250 2 stroke as I wanted to master the bigger bike. It was so much fun having all that power on tap. Was I faster? Not sure, didn’t care.
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Only because I picked up an '06 CRF-450 in mint, stock condition with maybe 25 hours on it for DIRT cheap.
Still have it, actually, and love it! But also love my KTM-200 and YZ-250
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I also went right to open bikes at 15, so respect for that right grip became engraved in my riding style. Not a strong choice for any rider developing pro skill...but I've adapted back to both 250f and 125 with success.
Yes the 450 can wear you out but working that right grip, good form and being able to use many lines in a track along with the power to correct, clear and pass are not just competitive advantages, but also a little extra insurance. The power is there when needed.
As a senior rider I'm a more consistent smoother rider that can usually start in front of the other road hogs. I do enjoy my laps on the 250f and 125 more, but for me they both take more work.
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