Good job Herlings and Euro's don't ride Supercross???

inthebadboycorner 2/18/2020 11:56am
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NateDawg wrote:
Herlings would get crushed if he showed up for any Supercross event. Going through sand is a lot different when you have SX suspension. Edit: you...
Herlings would get crushed if he showed up for any Supercross event. Going through sand is a lot different when you have SX suspension.

Edit: you people downvoting are welcome to look up a video of Herlings riding Supercross. It's not pretty.
Crushed, I think not, win the LCQ easily.
inthebadboycorner 2/18/2020 11:57am
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robkinuk wrote:
Watching virtually all riders struggle in both 450 and 250 classes at Tampa Supercross in the deep loose white sand, it's a good job sand masters...
Watching virtually all riders struggle in both 450 and 250 classes at Tampa Supercross in the deep loose white sand, it's a good job sand masters like Herlings, Coldenhoff etc don't race Supercross as they would have loved the sand section at Tampa, putting lots of distance into the home riders.
Why do American riders seem to struggle so much in the soft stuff? Is it the unpredictability of the sand or they just ride too stiff in their body positioning and suspension settings? What's your thoughts?:Shocked
Rushton597 wrote:
Plessinger was about a full second faster through the sand sections than the other riders and finished 16th...... Just because a rider is fast in one...
Plessinger was about a full second faster through the sand sections than the other riders and finished 16th...... Just because a rider is fast in one segment doesn't mean they can piece an entire track together.
That means nothing with the way Plessinger is riding latley.
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Lucifa (MD) wrote:
Herlings would of got a spanking at that Tampa round regardless of any sand section. OP is clueless.
alex69 wrote:
Yeah why, is Roczen get spanked every week? Herlings is on the same level or even better that Roczen and Musquin, do you really think a...
Yeah why, is Roczen get spanked every week?
Herlings is on the same level or even better that Roczen and Musquin, do you really think a talent like Herlings couldn't adept a SX style quickly, I think the most here would be very surprised.
Musquin and Roczen have each been in the U.S. riding Supercross for nearly a decade...

It takes a lot of time and preparation to adapt to Supercross. No one is saying Herlings doesn't have the talent to do it, but it would take time before he could run at the front.
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NateDawg wrote:
Herlings would get crushed if he showed up for any Supercross event. Going through sand is a lot different when you have SX suspension. Edit: you...
Herlings would get crushed if he showed up for any Supercross event. Going through sand is a lot different when you have SX suspension.

Edit: you people downvoting are welcome to look up a video of Herlings riding Supercross. It's not pretty.
Someone more technically apt will be able to embed this, this was from 2016 but he looks alright to me.

View this post on Instagram

Starting to love SX 😏 Can't get enough of it lol 😂

A post shared by Jeffrey Herlings (@jeffrey_herlings84) on Oct 4, 2016 at 8:07am PDT

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inthebadboycorner 2/18/2020 12:05pm
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robkinuk wrote:
Watching virtually all riders struggle in both 450 and 250 classes at Tampa Supercross in the deep loose white sand, it's a good job sand masters...
Watching virtually all riders struggle in both 450 and 250 classes at Tampa Supercross in the deep loose white sand, it's a good job sand masters like Herlings, Coldenhoff etc don't race Supercross as they would have loved the sand section at Tampa, putting lots of distance into the home riders.
Why do American riders seem to struggle so much in the soft stuff? Is it the unpredictability of the sand or they just ride too stiff in their body positioning and suspension settings? What's your thoughts?:Shocked
kkawboy14 wrote:
You realize they would have had to survive the rest of the track so as to get to the sand, right? I didn’t see Tomac or...
You realize they would have had to survive the rest of the track so as to get to the sand, right?

I didn’t see Tomac or Webb floundering in the sand, they were killing it.
No, Webb and Tomac were not killing it in the sand,
They just managed to get through without too many big mistakes.
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Last Braaap 2/18/2020 12:07pm
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NEWS FLASH for OP

Whole world sucks & hates riding on sand except dutch, belgians, french and few BDSM freaks who reside in Lommel.
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aFACEdismembered 2/18/2020 12:46pm
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If any of them would have gone down in the sand the response would be "That's not normal sand. The base was hard. It was a split section. Not enough width to carry momentum. Sand with SX suspension doesn't work, what do you expect". It's always easy to win the what if battle.
crusty_xx 2/18/2020 12:57pm
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Well herlings doesn't ride sand with SX suspension I don't think.
Also remember who won the assen MX2 qualifying heat?
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germansxguy 2/18/2020 1:04pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
Well herlings doesn't ride sand with SX suspension I don't think.
Also remember who won the assen MX2 qualifying heat?
was herlings riding mx2? did the world champ ride mx2?

not sure if you know, almost all top 3 euro mxgp riders that moved to the us full time did. good in sx. bayle, tortelli( he even won his first ever us sx) dv12 and the just goes on....

so why should herlings not be able to figure out sx if he wanted to?
because us guys can’t figure out how to go as fast as the euros outdoors anymore?
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NateDawg 2/18/2020 1:07pm
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NateDawg wrote:
Herlings would get crushed if he showed up for any Supercross event. Going through sand is a lot different when you have SX suspension. Edit: you...
Herlings would get crushed if he showed up for any Supercross event. Going through sand is a lot different when you have SX suspension.

Edit: you people downvoting are welcome to look up a video of Herlings riding Supercross. It's not pretty.
Barrett57 wrote:
Someone more technically apt will be able to embed this, this was from 2016 but he looks alright to me. View this post on Instagram Starting...
Someone more technically apt will be able to embed this, this was from 2016 but he looks alright to me.

View this post on Instagram

Starting to love SX 😏 Can't get enough of it lol 😂

A post shared by Jeffrey Herlings (@jeffrey_herlings84) on Oct 4, 2016 at 8:07am PDT

That's nowhere close to being a true AMA Supercross track... It looks like a large pit bike track honestly. Whoops are easy, no difficult rhythm section, jump takeoffs and landings are rounded and not as steep, and he's not going very fast. Seriously, look at the speed he's hitting the turns. Compare that to what you saw in Tampa Saturday night.

There's also a big difference between doing laps on a perfectly groomed practice track vs trying to execute a rhythm or whoop section in lap 22 of a 450 main.
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Last Braaap wrote:
NEWS FLASH for OP

Whole world sucks & hates riding on sand except dutch, belgians, french and few BDSM freaks who reside in Lommel.
Actually tomac has said he loves the sand.
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McG194 2/18/2020 1:26pm
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Herlings would struggle to make top 10 in the 250 class, that is if he could stay out of the hospital.

Not being funny or nothing and I pray the kid makes a full recovery but Moreau crashing on the second lap shows you just how gnarly American SX is.
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Barrett57 2/18/2020 1:51pm
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NateDawg wrote:
That's nowhere close to being a true AMA Supercross track... It looks like a large pit bike track honestly. Whoops are easy, no difficult rhythm section...
That's nowhere close to being a true AMA Supercross track... It looks like a large pit bike track honestly. Whoops are easy, no difficult rhythm section, jump takeoffs and landings are rounded and not as steep, and he's not going very fast. Seriously, look at the speed he's hitting the turns. Compare that to what you saw in Tampa Saturday night.

There's also a big difference between doing laps on a perfectly groomed practice track vs trying to execute a rhythm or whoop section in lap 22 of a 450 main.
Just admit that you said something stupid, it's easier than pretending that Herlings is riding at walking pace around a pitbike track.

There's no doubt if he put the time in he'd be a front runner, he's one of the most talented riders of his generation.
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NateDawg 2/18/2020 1:59pm
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NateDawg wrote:
That's nowhere close to being a true AMA Supercross track... It looks like a large pit bike track honestly. Whoops are easy, no difficult rhythm section...
That's nowhere close to being a true AMA Supercross track... It looks like a large pit bike track honestly. Whoops are easy, no difficult rhythm section, jump takeoffs and landings are rounded and not as steep, and he's not going very fast. Seriously, look at the speed he's hitting the turns. Compare that to what you saw in Tampa Saturday night.

There's also a big difference between doing laps on a perfectly groomed practice track vs trying to execute a rhythm or whoop section in lap 22 of a 450 main.
Barrett57 wrote:
Just admit that you said something stupid, it's easier than pretending that Herlings is riding at walking pace around a pitbike track. There's no doubt if...
Just admit that you said something stupid, it's easier than pretending that Herlings is riding at walking pace around a pitbike track.

There's no doubt if he put the time in he'd be a front runner, he's one of the most talented riders of his generation.
What did I say that was stupid? I've provided logical reasoning for every statement I've made.

And btw, I said Herlings had the ability to run at the front! That's not what we're debating. We're talking about people who legitimately think he could just show up at Tampa and be competitive. He would need years of SX training for that to happen.
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Lucifa (MD) 2/18/2020 2:14pm
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Lucifa (MD) wrote:
Herlings would of got a spanking at that Tampa round regardless of any sand section. OP is clueless.
alex69 wrote:
Yeah why, is Roczen get spanked every week? Herlings is on the same level or even better that Roczen and Musquin, do you really think a...
Yeah why, is Roczen get spanked every week?
Herlings is on the same level or even better that Roczen and Musquin, do you really think a talent like Herlings couldn't adept a SX style quickly, I think the most here would be very surprised.
You think Herlings is on the same level as Roczen in SX? Thats some funny shit right there.

Webb, Tomac and Roczen would of dropped left him behind on that track.
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Lucifa (MD) 2/18/2020 2:18pm
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NateDawg wrote:
That's nowhere close to being a true AMA Supercross track... It looks like a large pit bike track honestly. Whoops are easy, no difficult rhythm section...
That's nowhere close to being a true AMA Supercross track... It looks like a large pit bike track honestly. Whoops are easy, no difficult rhythm section, jump takeoffs and landings are rounded and not as steep, and he's not going very fast. Seriously, look at the speed he's hitting the turns. Compare that to what you saw in Tampa Saturday night.

There's also a big difference between doing laps on a perfectly groomed practice track vs trying to execute a rhythm or whoop section in lap 22 of a 450 main.
Barrett57 wrote:
Just admit that you said something stupid, it's easier than pretending that Herlings is riding at walking pace around a pitbike track. There's no doubt if...
Just admit that you said something stupid, it's easier than pretending that Herlings is riding at walking pace around a pitbike track.

There's no doubt if he put the time in he'd be a front runner, he's one of the most talented riders of his generation.
NateDawg wrote:
What did I say that was stupid? I've provided logical reasoning for every statement I've made. And btw, I said Herlings had the ability to run...
What did I say that was stupid? I've provided logical reasoning for every statement I've made.

And btw, I said Herlings had the ability to run at the front! That's not what we're debating. We're talking about people who legitimately think he could just show up at Tampa and be competitive. He would need years of SX training for that to happen.
Exactly.
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crusty_xx wrote:
Well herlings doesn't ride sand with SX suspension I don't think.
Also remember who won the assen MX2 qualifying heat?
germansxguy wrote:
was herlings riding mx2? did the world champ ride mx2? not sure if you know, almost all top 3 euro mxgp riders that moved to the...
was herlings riding mx2? did the world champ ride mx2?

not sure if you know, almost all top 3 euro mxgp riders that moved to the us full time did. good in sx. bayle, tortelli( he even won his first ever us sx) dv12 and the just goes on....

so why should herlings not be able to figure out sx if he wanted to?
because us guys can’t figure out how to go as fast as the euros outdoors anymore?
Tortelli didn’t win his first ever SX, there is no spreading lies around here.
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Brent 2/18/2020 2:42pm
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...that kind of looks like the Vet track at Pala
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JMR1976 2/18/2020 2:54pm
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I think he would podium Daytona.
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robkinuk wrote:
You guys soon get your panties in a wad when someone posts a viewpoint that is opposite to the Vital Merica retoric. Wrong time of the...
You guys soon get your panties in a wad when someone posts a viewpoint that is opposite to the Vital Merica retoric.
Wrong time of the month?Tongue Shocked
Forget about "opposite viewpoints" for a second, and look at facts.

Jeffery Herlings is amazingly talented on a motorcycle, no doubt. But the front runners in American Supercross have been racing on these tracks their entire careers, and they are incredibly difficult to time and pace lap after lap without killing yourself. the suspension needs to set so stiff that it doesn't move much at all.

I was lucky enough to track walk at San Diego, and when you stand in the whoop section it seems impossible to get through in one piece at a reasonable pace, let alone wide open in fourth gear every lap.

As talented as he is, there is no way that Herlings could just step into this series , even if the entire track was made of sand, and not finish last by a large margin. The only thing motocross and supercross have in common is the bikes are similar.

So get practical and stop with the bait casting.
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Suicidal_Tendencies 2/18/2020 7:25pm
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alex69 wrote:
Yeah why, is Roczen get spanked every week? Herlings is on the same level or even better that Roczen and Musquin, do you really think a...
Yeah why, is Roczen get spanked every week?
Herlings is on the same level or even better that Roczen and Musquin, do you really think a talent like Herlings couldn't adept a SX style quickly, I think the most here would be very surprised.
Honestly, at this point it is hard to say how quickly he would adapt. He's 25 years old, and his experience is not on a real sx track. Roczen came over very early and has spent the majority of his professional career here. I'm not saying Herlings could not adapt, but at this stage in his career it would be harder. Either way, no one seriously thinks he would be beating Tomac or Roczen on a sx track any time soon, just as no one thinks Tomac could handle Herlings on a sand track (and, you could argue, outdoors).

Opening post is trolling.
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Did Herlings race the euro sandy supercross a few years back that Dungey was in? I believe Gajser won it
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Herlings would never finish a season in SX, he misses races due to injury every season in MX.
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jorgechavez 2/18/2020 8:40pm
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zookrider62! wrote:
Did Herlings race the euro sandy supercross a few years back that Dungey was in? I believe Gajser won it
Yes he raced it. I believe Dungey won the riders overall and KTM took the manufacturers overall with Dungey, Herlings and Musquin.

I believe Herlings did win at least one of the motos, though.
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Talent wise compare the compare.
Jett lawrence
vs jh84 .
Jett rocked up with a few aussie sx races under his belt., One pre season with honda......
And boom is battling up with front with
Ferrandis nd forkner.
If ya think jh84 could not do similiar, you have your head to far up your ass!
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bvm111 2/18/2020 8:57pm
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You think herlings just might be good at riding sand because he is from holland and most the country is reclaimed sea bed and predominantly sand? I mean I dunno .... maybe?
motoxxx599 2/18/2020 9:27pm
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struth wrote:
Talent wise compare the compare. Jett lawrence vs jh84 . Jett rocked up with a few aussie sx races under his belt., One pre season with...
Talent wise compare the compare.
Jett lawrence
vs jh84 .
Jett rocked up with a few aussie sx races under his belt., One pre season with honda......
And boom is battling up with front with
Ferrandis nd forkner.
If ya think jh84 could not do similiar, you have your head to far up your ass!
He tried more than once to acclimate and it didn't work out. In 2017 he said SX wasnt his cup of tea.
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