Best dirt jumper MTN bike

GalagaOnMYArm wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/18/398743/s1200_IMG_1489.jpg[/img] Even luckier to have found a small team frame for my wife!

Even luckier to have found a small team frame for my wife!

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

So I came across this, any input from you fella's. I asked him frame size and he replied "22” top tube, 16” from BB center to...

So I came across this, any input from you fella's. I asked him frame size and he replied "22” top tube, 16” from BB center to top of seat tube"

Gary Fisher

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

So I came across this, any input from you fella's. I asked him frame size and he replied "22” top tube, 16” from BB center to...

So I came across this, any input from you fella's. I asked him frame size and he replied "22” top tube, 16” from BB center to top of seat tube"

Gary Fisher

Dtat720 wrote:

Pretty much a standard size, mix of medium and large, like an in between. Im 6'2", 215. Both my Deity and Evil are 22" top tube...

Pretty much a standard size, mix of medium and large, like an in between. Im 6'2", 215. Both my Deity and Evil are 22" top tube. Perfect size

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

So I came across this, any input from you fella's. I asked him frame size and he replied "22” top tube, 16” from BB center to...

So I came across this, any input from you fella's. I asked him frame size and he replied "22” top tube, 16” from BB center to top of seat tube"

Gary Fisher

Dtat720 wrote:

Pretty much a standard size, mix of medium and large, like an in between. Im 6'2", 215. Both my Deity and Evil are 22" top tube...

Pretty much a standard size, mix of medium and large, like an in between. Im 6'2", 215. Both my Deity and Evil are 22" top tube. Perfect size

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

So I should snatch it up for $250. Im r6'1-6'2 so about the same height as you. I noticed that it has flat bars. I figured...

So I should snatch it up for $250. Im r6'1-6'2 so about the same height as you. I noticed that it has flat bars. I figured I would pick up a set of 3" rise bars and be set.

rohleder644 wrote:

You do understand he’s talking about stripping parts off a bike and putting it on a DJ frame, right? Janky, sure. But I don’t think I’d...

You do understand he’s talking about stripping parts off a bike and putting it on a DJ frame, right? Janky, sure. But I don’t think I’d be overly concerned with the safety aspect.

Doddy wrote:

So you read it as, him throwing parts from a XC onto a DJ frame? If so, that's still just as bad...

Dtat720 wrote:

Pretty much a standard size, mix of medium and large, like an in between. Im 6'2", 215. Both my Deity and Evil are 22" top tube...

Pretty much a standard size, mix of medium and large, like an in between. Im 6'2", 215. Both my Deity and Evil are 22" top tube. Perfect size

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

So I should snatch it up for $250. Im r6'1-6'2 so about the same height as you. I noticed that it has flat bars. I figured...

So I should snatch it up for $250. Im r6'1-6'2 so about the same height as you. I noticed that it has flat bars. I figured I would pick up a set of 3" rise bars and be set.

Dtat720 wrote:

Flat bars feel better on trails, more forward positioning. Get some rise if you are jumping, bring your body position back a bit, more upright

rohleder644 wrote:

You do understand he’s talking about stripping parts off a bike and putting it on a DJ frame, right? Janky, sure. But I don’t think I’d...

You do understand he’s talking about stripping parts off a bike and putting it on a DJ frame, right? Janky, sure. But I don’t think I’d be overly concerned with the safety aspect.

Doddy wrote:

So you read it as, him throwing parts from a XC onto a DJ frame? If so, that's still just as bad...

three9zero wrote:

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the...

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the proper front chain ring, to rear chain ring alignment. Chain tension is easy as you just pull the axle back in the drop outs. If you ride hard and lots, then you can build up a bike as you are constantly fixing and placing parts on a weekly basis, like I do as I have a family that all ride DH and enduro. All 4 of us also race BMX, I build all of our bikes from ground up. If you can find a nice mid-end hard tail/dual suspension bike with fox 32 or better forks, its not much work to swap front ends, put a single speed conversion kit on the rear wheel, install a set of cranks, a rear brake, fit a chain, and rip it.....26' wheels are dirt cheap, if you smash em, replace them.
I literally live in the birth place of freeride mtn biking, and have a world class jump park designed by one of the best riders in North America 3 KM from my shop, and half the people that ride there on hard tails, do exactly what I mentioned. I not talking about throwing parts off a P>O>S XC bike , something half decent. The 26" wheel stuff is so cheap used now days, somebody can buy an older all mtn bike for$ 600-1000 around here.
This is my donor for my upcoming build, its a bad ass mtn bike, but because its a 26", I cant sell it for what I have in it for parts...

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

So I should snatch it up for $250. Im r6'1-6'2 so about the same height as you. I noticed that it has flat bars. I figured...

So I should snatch it up for $250. Im r6'1-6'2 so about the same height as you. I noticed that it has flat bars. I figured I would pick up a set of 3" rise bars and be set.

Dtat720 wrote:

Flat bars feel better on trails, more forward positioning. Get some rise if you are jumping, bring your body position back a bit, more upright

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

I'm going for a dirt jump set up for Rays MTB and I plan on building a few jumps in the back yard for the boy...

I'm going for a dirt jump set up for Rays MTB and I plan on building a few jumps in the back yard for the boy to jump this summer also. I have a 27" Cannondale and a 29" Specialized for riding in the trails.

I got a response from the seller. He thinks it might be to compact with a 22" top tube for me at my height.

Dtat720 wrote:

Flat bars feel better on trails, more forward positioning. Get some rise if you are jumping, bring your body position back a bit, more upright

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

I'm going for a dirt jump set up for Rays MTB and I plan on building a few jumps in the back yard for the boy...

I'm going for a dirt jump set up for Rays MTB and I plan on building a few jumps in the back yard for the boy to jump this summer also. I have a 27" Cannondale and a 29" Specialized for riding in the trails.

I got a response from the seller. He thinks it might be to compact with a 22" top tube for me at my height.

Dtat720 wrote:

Depends on your comfort zone. I ride bmx and moto. I have an S@M Speed Wagon bmx frame, 22" top tube with a 57mm stem so...

Depends on your comfort zone. I ride bmx and moto. I have an S@M Speed Wagon bmx frame, 22" top tube with a 57mm stem so it isnt quite as long. My dj frames are 22" top tube to have that feel closer to bmx than a mtn bike. I used to own a bike shop, always had salesmen from manufacturers tell me i was buying the wrong frame sizes. Mtn bikes i would run 19's instead of 21's like the charts would say were for my size. A 21 was just too big. If the bike is close to you, go test it out. At rays, a longer frame will feel more awkward

three9zero wrote:

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the...

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the proper front chain ring, to rear chain ring alignment. Chain tension is easy as you just pull the axle back in the drop outs. If you ride hard and lots, then you can build up a bike as you are constantly fixing and placing parts on a weekly basis, like I do as I have a family that all ride DH and enduro. All 4 of us also race BMX, I build all of our bikes from ground up. If you can find a nice mid-end hard tail/dual suspension bike with fox 32 or better forks, its not much work to swap front ends, put a single speed conversion kit on the rear wheel, install a set of cranks, a rear brake, fit a chain, and rip it.....26' wheels are dirt cheap, if you smash em, replace them.
I literally live in the birth place of freeride mtn biking, and have a world class jump park designed by one of the best riders in North America 3 KM from my shop, and half the people that ride there on hard tails, do exactly what I mentioned. I not talking about throwing parts off a P>O>S XC bike , something half decent. The 26" wheel stuff is so cheap used now days, somebody can buy an older all mtn bike for$ 600-1000 around here.
This is my donor for my upcoming build, its a bad ass mtn bike, but because its a 26", I cant sell it for what I have in it for parts...

GalagaOnMYArm wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/18/398743/s1200_IMG_1489.jpg[/img] Even luckier to have found a small team frame for my wife!

Even luckier to have found a small team frame for my wife!

three9zero wrote:

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the...

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the proper front chain ring, to rear chain ring alignment. Chain tension is easy as you just pull the axle back in the drop outs. If you ride hard and lots, then you can build up a bike as you are constantly fixing and placing parts on a weekly basis, like I do as I have a family that all ride DH and enduro. All 4 of us also race BMX, I build all of our bikes from ground up. If you can find a nice mid-end hard tail/dual suspension bike with fox 32 or better forks, its not much work to swap front ends, put a single speed conversion kit on the rear wheel, install a set of cranks, a rear brake, fit a chain, and rip it.....26' wheels are dirt cheap, if you smash em, replace them.
I literally live in the birth place of freeride mtn biking, and have a world class jump park designed by one of the best riders in North America 3 KM from my shop, and half the people that ride there on hard tails, do exactly what I mentioned. I not talking about throwing parts off a P>O>S XC bike , something half decent. The 26" wheel stuff is so cheap used now days, somebody can buy an older all mtn bike for$ 600-1000 around here.
This is my donor for my upcoming build, its a bad ass mtn bike, but because its a 26", I cant sell it for what I have in it for parts...

xrmark wrote:

That would be a terrible dirt jumper. I know cause I’ve tried with that exact bike. It doesn’t work. Full dj drivetrain, no front brake, little...

That would be a terrible dirt jumper. I know cause I’ve tried with that exact bike. It doesn’t work. Full dj drivetrain, no front brake, little stem everything to make it “dirt jumpy” it doesn’t work. Even with locking out the rear it just sucks on real dirt jumps. I took it to whistler with me and it was a blast down A line and some of the mellow trails. Took it to the dirt jumps down at the river and well it sucked. But that bike shouldn’t be converted to a dirt jump bike and it’s not good advice to push someone in that direction. Dirt jumpers are hard tails. It’s almost cheaper to find an old stp or something rather than build up a bike. Bike parts add up quick...

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Are all hubs the same when converting to a single speed.?

Dtat720 wrote:

Flat bars feel better on trails, more forward positioning. Get some rise if you are jumping, bring your body position back a bit, more upright

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

I'm going for a dirt jump set up for Rays MTB and I plan on building a few jumps in the back yard for the boy...

I'm going for a dirt jump set up for Rays MTB and I plan on building a few jumps in the back yard for the boy to jump this summer also. I have a 27" Cannondale and a 29" Specialized for riding in the trails.

I got a response from the seller. He thinks it might be to compact with a 22" top tube for me at my height.

Dtat720 wrote:

Depends on your comfort zone. I ride bmx and moto. I have an S@M Speed Wagon bmx frame, 22" top tube with a 57mm stem so...

Depends on your comfort zone. I ride bmx and moto. I have an S@M Speed Wagon bmx frame, 22" top tube with a 57mm stem so it isnt quite as long. My dj frames are 22" top tube to have that feel closer to bmx than a mtn bike. I used to own a bike shop, always had salesmen from manufacturers tell me i was buying the wrong frame sizes. Mtn bikes i would run 19's instead of 21's like the charts would say were for my size. A 21 was just too big. If the bike is close to you, go test it out. At rays, a longer frame will feel more awkward

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Are all hubs the same when converting to a single speed.?

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Are all hubs the same when converting to a single speed.?

Dtat720 wrote:

No. Need to know what drive system it is. Shimano or sram. Different spline designs. Shimano has a few different designs, sram has 2 i believe...

No. Need to know what drive system it is. Shimano or sram. Different spline designs. Shimano has a few different designs, sram has 2 i believe. Several different axle lengths, depends on the frame you get. Some are 135, others are 142. Havent seen any dj frames with a 147. Most are 3/8 axle diameter, 135mm width. Some frames have 12mm skewer dropouts at 142mm width. Buy a single speed cog for the hub and a single speed spacer kit and you can get your chainline pretty close to perfect. If you are taking off a cogset, get a spacer kit for the cassette number, ie: 9sp, 10sp, 11sp. Most dj set ups are going with 170 cranks and a 28-13 gear set

three9zero wrote:

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the...

A dj bike is basically a BMX bike with front suspension. The hardest part about building a bike with a horizontal drop out, is getting the proper front chain ring, to rear chain ring alignment. Chain tension is easy as you just pull the axle back in the drop outs. If you ride hard and lots, then you can build up a bike as you are constantly fixing and placing parts on a weekly basis, like I do as I have a family that all ride DH and enduro. All 4 of us also race BMX, I build all of our bikes from ground up. If you can find a nice mid-end hard tail/dual suspension bike with fox 32 or better forks, its not much work to swap front ends, put a single speed conversion kit on the rear wheel, install a set of cranks, a rear brake, fit a chain, and rip it.....26' wheels are dirt cheap, if you smash em, replace them.
I literally live in the birth place of freeride mtn biking, and have a world class jump park designed by one of the best riders in North America 3 KM from my shop, and half the people that ride there on hard tails, do exactly what I mentioned. I not talking about throwing parts off a P>O>S XC bike , something half decent. The 26" wheel stuff is so cheap used now days, somebody can buy an older all mtn bike for$ 600-1000 around here.
This is my donor for my upcoming build, its a bad ass mtn bike, but because its a 26", I cant sell it for what I have in it for parts...

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2686277/


Offered this fella $800 shipped on a 2018 P3.

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Any one have experience shipping a bike. Wow it's more expensive then I thought

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Any one have experience shipping a bike. Wow it's more expensive then I thought

Dtat720 wrote:

https://www.bikeflights.com/

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Thanks. if I can find a good deal on a bike that needs shipped I check their prices. Assuming they could get a box from walmart...

Thanks. if I can find a good deal on a bike that needs shipped I check their prices. Assuming they could get a box from walmart or a bike shop to put it in for shipment.

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Thanks. if I can find a good deal on a bike that needs shipped I check their prices. Assuming they could get a box from walmart...

Thanks. if I can find a good deal on a bike that needs shipped I check their prices. Assuming they could get a box from walmart or a bike shop to put it in for shipment.

Doddy wrote:

Try searching for "Dirt Jumper" on Offerup.com. I have 5-6 decent ones in my area from 450-600.

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Nothing in my area. I said screw it went to the local shop and ordered the Verde, 645 out the door. Chromo frame, sealed everything, tampered...

Nothing in my area.
I said screw it went to the local shop and ordered the Verde, 645 out the door. Chromo frame, sealed everything, tampered headset.
Forks will be the weak link but I figure if needed I'll upgrade at a later time. Will pick it up Tuesday.

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Nothing in my area. I said screw it went to the local shop and ordered the Verde, 645 out the door. Chromo frame, sealed everything, tampered...

Nothing in my area.
I said screw it went to the local shop and ordered the Verde, 645 out the door. Chromo frame, sealed everything, tampered headset.
Forks will be the weak link but I figure if needed I'll upgrade at a later time. Will pick it up Tuesday.

Doddy wrote:

Well in that case....Congrats on your new bike!