Team Fried/USA in Europe: MXdN

sende wrote:

[embed][/embed] Anderson looking mighty fast. Herlings in a total cruise mode.

Anderson looking mighty fast.
Herlings in a total cruise mode.

creature654 wrote:

I’ve been watching the gps all year long..Hoff is winning because of all the injuries and gasjer has checked out as he should after accomplishing the...

I’ve been watching the gps all year long..Hoff is winning because of all the injuries and gasjer has checked out as he should after accomplishing the ultimate goal, seewer and jonass are impressive but there’s nooooo fucking way theyd be top 5 at southwick or WW in the US, which makes me think that ZO and JA probably would have a few GP wins a piece if they raced the whole circuit. I honesty think If you replaced Prado with Jcoop maybe he would have won like one less moto than Jorge in mx2...I get it, it’s sand, all 3 riders killed it at the sand rounds except for team fried at the wick but he’s a savage and probably thinks about that moto where he pushed herlings so hard that he cracked him, ended up winning by like 10 seconds only to get landed on every single night....never was a fan of the team last year, this is the year the losing streak ends and the US tidal wave washes out that little flat sand box

CalimeroFan wrote:

GFY Coldenhoff is the one who started the season injured, after a very heavy crash where he ended up with a serious backinjury. The last GP's...

GFY Coldenhoff is the one who started the season injured, after a very heavy crash where he ended up with a serious backinjury.
The last GP's he has been beating the world champ Gajser, who is top fit and guys like Paulin, Seewer and so on. How the the hell is that winning because of injuries?

Sideways wrote:

Man i wish i could be at lommel right now. All the GP riders and team usa training together. Seems like the americans are being welcomed...

Man i wish i could be at lommel right now. All the GP riders and team usa training together. Seems like the americans are being welcomed in good way. Hanging out with jonass and jasikonis today.

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

crusty_xx wrote:

The total field isn't weak. But most teams are weak. Most of these countries can go from a podium contender to being lucky to be in...

The total field isn't weak. But most teams are weak. Most of these countries can go from a podium contender to being lucky to be in the top 10 if one guy is out (like Switzerland).
The races will be awesome. But the race for the trophy IMO will be among NED and the US

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:

I'm not sure this is a good analysis. When you say 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there, the likes of Febvre, Cairoli...

I'm not sure this is a good analysis.

When you say 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there, the likes of Febvre, Cairoli and Desalle, who would clearly normally be top 5 weren't BECAUSE they were injured.

The top guys at the end of any season will necessarily not include those that are injured and out of MXoN.

sende wrote:

[embed][/embed] Anderson looking mighty fast. Herlings in a total cruise mode.

Anderson looking mighty fast.
Herlings in a total cruise mode.

crusty_xx wrote:

I had my doubts about Cooper. But man he looks good!

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Sideways wrote:

There are alot of 450 riders who wont be there because of injury, dont kid yourself. Cairoli, desalle, tonus, anstie, febvre, nagl etc. Teams who could...

There are alot of 450 riders who wont be there because of injury, dont kid yourself. Cairoli, desalle, tonus, anstie, febvre, nagl etc. Teams who could easily podium or even win if these riders where there. Italy, switzerland, belgium, france

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:

I'm not sure this is a good analysis. When you say 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there, the likes of Febvre, Cairoli...

I'm not sure this is a good analysis.

When you say 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there, the likes of Febvre, Cairoli and Desalle, who would clearly normally be top 5 weren't BECAUSE they were injured.

The top guys at the end of any season will necessarily not include those that are injured and out of MXoN.

Park Boys wrote:

I’m talking point standings, not what we feel are the best.

Sideways wrote:

Man i wish i could be at lommel right now. All the GP riders and team usa training together. Seems like the americans are being welcomed...

Man i wish i could be at lommel right now. All the GP riders and team usa training together. Seems like the americans are being welcomed in good way. Hanging out with jonass and jasikonis today.

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

Maybe because they ride for the same team effectively.

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Sideways wrote:

There are alot of 450 riders who wont be there because of injury, dont kid yourself. Cairoli, desalle, tonus, anstie, febvre, nagl etc. Teams who could...

There are alot of 450 riders who wont be there because of injury, dont kid yourself. Cairoli, desalle, tonus, anstie, febvre, nagl etc. Teams who could easily podium or even win if these riders where there. Italy, switzerland, belgium, france

Park Boys wrote:

Translation when America sends a “B” team per say, it’s quit calling it a B team! They want to be there.. Tomac sucks. When everyone else...

Translation when America sends a “B” team per say, it’s quit calling it a B team! They want to be there.. Tomac sucks. When everyone else sends a B team, ah shit weak year. As every rider you listed is from a diffrerent country. It’s a sad state of affairs when the Belgians are as front end loaded as they are. I hope there are a bunch of kids coming from Belgium for the sake of motocross.

Park Boys wrote:

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450...

I keep reading about how weak this years MxDN is, they usually are. It’s not the hey days anymore. Look at 16 for example. No 450 champs raced it. Not unusual. This year 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there. Top 3 in MX2 as well. I feel like this is a built in excuse in case USA does well which there is no guarantee they will any ways. Quit staying the obvious, injuries and the lack of top AMA guys going has been going on for years now.

Sideways wrote:

There are alot of 450 riders who wont be there because of injury, dont kid yourself. Cairoli, desalle, tonus, anstie, febvre, nagl etc. Teams who could...

There are alot of 450 riders who wont be there because of injury, dont kid yourself. Cairoli, desalle, tonus, anstie, febvre, nagl etc. Teams who could easily podium or even win if these riders where there. Italy, switzerland, belgium, france

Park Boys wrote:

Translation when America sends a “B” team per say, it’s quit calling it a B team! They want to be there.. Tomac sucks. When everyone else...

Translation when America sends a “B” team per say, it’s quit calling it a B team! They want to be there.. Tomac sucks. When everyone else sends a B team, ah shit weak year. As every rider you listed is from a diffrerent country. It’s a sad state of affairs when the Belgians are as front end loaded as they are. I hope there are a bunch of kids coming from Belgium for the sake of motocross.

RG1 wrote:

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it...

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it won’t be as strong as some years previous.

France: Without Febvre, Ferrandis, Vialle
Belgium: Without Desalle and Lieber
GBR: Without Anstie, Ben Watson, Wilson and Searle
Australia: Without Lawrence and Mitch Evans
USA: Without Tomac and Cianciarulo
Italy: Without Cairoli and Cervellin
Germany: Without an entire team in Roczen, Jacobi & Nagl
Switzerland: Without Tonus

If you don’t think those absentees are gonna cause any detriment to the performance of those teams and the overall level of competition at the event, you’re sadly deluded. You can moan that people have a different attitudes towards a Team USA ‘B team’ and B teams from other nations. But the fact is, the size and talent pool of the USA means that no matter what happens, they are able to send a team that on paper is a contender. No other country has that luxury

Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:

I'm not sure this is a good analysis. When you say 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there, the likes of Febvre, Cairoli...

I'm not sure this is a good analysis.

When you say 4 of the top 5 MXGP guys will be there, the likes of Febvre, Cairoli and Desalle, who would clearly normally be top 5 weren't BECAUSE they were injured.

The top guys at the end of any season will necessarily not include those that are injured and out of MXoN.

Park Boys wrote:

I’m talking point standings, not what we feel are the best.

St Ann More wrote:

Points standings: 2019 MXdN - 16 riders inside the top ten (MXGP, MX2, AMA 450, AMA 250) are racing. 2018 MXdN - 22 riders inside the...

Points standings:

2019 MXdN - 16 riders inside the top ten (MXGP, MX2, AMA 450, AMA 250) are racing.
2018 MXdN - 22 riders inside the top ten (MXGP, MX2, AMA 450, AMA 250) raced.
2017 MXdN - 20 riders inside the top ten (MXGP, MX2, AMA 450, AMA 250) raced.
2016 MXdN - 21 riders inside the top ten (MXGP, MX2, AMA 450, AMA 250) raced.

It's weaker, both on paper and "feel".

From a euro team perspective, it's even worse, RG1 nailed it in the post above!

Park Boys wrote:

I’m talking top end talent, Roczen was not there in his title years and injuries have kept the top US riders out more often than not...

I’m talking top end talent, Roczen was not there in his title years and injuries have kept the top US riders out more often than not and now they(Tomac) dosent want to go and I don’t blame him. In 15 there was no Dungey,Roczen,Tomac,RV,Herlings,DeSalle, etc. In 16 the 450 GP champ was not there nor the 450 MX champ or SX champ for that reason, no Tomac, etc. I think in general not just this year the glory days of the MxDN being ablsoulty stacked are gone. More injures now plus the dates being harder to work with for AMA riders, IE zero offseason are contributing factors.

RG1 wrote:

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it...

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it won’t be as strong as some years previous.

France: Without Febvre, Ferrandis, Vialle
Belgium: Without Desalle and Lieber
GBR: Without Anstie, Ben Watson, Wilson and Searle
Australia: Without Lawrence and Mitch Evans
USA: Without Tomac and Cianciarulo
Italy: Without Cairoli and Cervellin
Germany: Without an entire team in Roczen, Jacobi & Nagl
Switzerland: Without Tonus

If you don’t think those absentees are gonna cause any detriment to the performance of those teams and the overall level of competition at the event, you’re sadly deluded. You can moan that people have a different attitudes towards a Team USA ‘B team’ and B teams from other nations. But the fact is, the size and talent pool of the USA means that no matter what happens, they are able to send a team that on paper is a contender. No other country has that luxury

Park Boys wrote:

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive...

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive. Italy, UK, France and Germany are not small countries. Your not filling a gate your grabbing three guys. I love the population argument.. so basically your saying throughout history everyone but the Belgians suck. It’s not all about population if it was the UK should have more than 1 MxDN title in the last 40 some odd years. Germany has 80 million people and without three guys it’s game over? My point stands, when we don’t send are best it’s big deal. This team has one national win this year between three guys. It’s the same for the US team as well, plus it’s in a GP wheel house track.

presto170 wrote:

Bro he was talking about depth of top tier riders per nation not the general public population. he didn’t even say that in the first place...

Bro he was talking about depth of top tier riders per nation not the general public population. he didn’t even say that in the first place where did you get that from? 😂😂

presto170 wrote:

Bro he was talking about depth of top tier riders per nation not the general public population. he didn’t even say that in the first place...

Bro he was talking about depth of top tier riders per nation not the general public population. he didn’t even say that in the first place where did you get that from? 😂😂

Park Boys wrote:

Really? Or you can’t equate things unless they are spelled out for you literally?

RG1 wrote:

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it...

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it won’t be as strong as some years previous.

France: Without Febvre, Ferrandis, Vialle
Belgium: Without Desalle and Lieber
GBR: Without Anstie, Ben Watson, Wilson and Searle
Australia: Without Lawrence and Mitch Evans
USA: Without Tomac and Cianciarulo
Italy: Without Cairoli and Cervellin
Germany: Without an entire team in Roczen, Jacobi & Nagl
Switzerland: Without Tonus

If you don’t think those absentees are gonna cause any detriment to the performance of those teams and the overall level of competition at the event, you’re sadly deluded. You can moan that people have a different attitudes towards a Team USA ‘B team’ and B teams from other nations. But the fact is, the size and talent pool of the USA means that no matter what happens, they are able to send a team that on paper is a contender. No other country has that luxury

Park Boys wrote:

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive...

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive. Italy, UK, France and Germany are not small countries. Your not filling a gate your grabbing three guys. I love the population argument.. so basically your saying throughout history everyone but the Belgians suck. It’s not all about population if it was the UK should have more than 1 MxDN title in the last 40 some odd years. Germany has 80 million people and without three guys it’s game over? My point stands, when we don’t send are best it’s big deal. This team has one national win this year between three guys. It’s the same for the US team as well, plus it’s in a GP wheel house track.

presto170 wrote:

Bro he was talking about depth of top tier riders per nation not the general public population. he didn’t even say that in the first place...

Bro he was talking about depth of top tier riders per nation not the general public population. he didn’t even say that in the first place where did you get that from? 😂😂

Park Boys wrote:

Really? Or you can’t equate things unless they are spelled out for you literally?

presto170 wrote:

Just applying your logic back to you. India has 1.4 billion people living there right now. Where are all there riders at bro they should have...

Just applying your logic back to you. India has 1.4 billion people living there right now. Where are all there riders at bro they should have won multiple mxon by now 😉

RG1 wrote:

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it...

The only 2 nations who finished in the top 10 last year that have their best team are the Netherlands and Estonia. It’s clear that it won’t be as strong as some years previous.

France: Without Febvre, Ferrandis, Vialle
Belgium: Without Desalle and Lieber
GBR: Without Anstie, Ben Watson, Wilson and Searle
Australia: Without Lawrence and Mitch Evans
USA: Without Tomac and Cianciarulo
Italy: Without Cairoli and Cervellin
Germany: Without an entire team in Roczen, Jacobi & Nagl
Switzerland: Without Tonus

If you don’t think those absentees are gonna cause any detriment to the performance of those teams and the overall level of competition at the event, you’re sadly deluded. You can moan that people have a different attitudes towards a Team USA ‘B team’ and B teams from other nations. But the fact is, the size and talent pool of the USA means that no matter what happens, they are able to send a team that on paper is a contender. No other country has that luxury

Park Boys wrote:

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive...

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive. Italy, UK, France and Germany are not small countries. Your not filling a gate your grabbing three guys. I love the population argument.. so basically your saying throughout history everyone but the Belgians suck. It’s not all about population if it was the UK should have more than 1 MxDN title in the last 40 some odd years. Germany has 80 million people and without three guys it’s game over? My point stands, when we don’t send are best it’s big deal. This team has one national win this year between three guys. It’s the same for the US team as well, plus it’s in a GP wheel house track.

agn5009 wrote:

You’re right, It’s not about population. Netherlands has roughly 19 million people which is about the same size of the state of New York. It’s crazy...

You’re right, It’s not about population. Netherlands has roughly 19 million people which is about the same size of the state of New York. It’s crazy they have produced some of the fastest riders the last couple years.

Park Boys wrote:

Really? Or you can’t equate things unless they are spelled out for you literally?

presto170 wrote:

Just applying your logic back to you. India has 1.4 billion people living there right now. Where are all there riders at bro they should have...

Just applying your logic back to you. India has 1.4 billion people living there right now. Where are all there riders at bro they should have won multiple mxon by now 😉

Park Boys wrote:

Again you are way off base, I don’t use the population argument as much as most do. I brought up population because he said the talent...

Again you are way off base, I don’t use the population argument as much as most do. I brought up population because he said the talent pool is so large, Aka there is a lot of people which is why I brought up the fact that some European countries are not exactly that small. Read and if you don’t understand, read it again. Most importantly if you still don’t understand.... don’t comment!

Park Boys wrote:

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive...

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive. Italy, UK, France and Germany are not small countries. Your not filling a gate your grabbing three guys. I love the population argument.. so basically your saying throughout history everyone but the Belgians suck. It’s not all about population if it was the UK should have more than 1 MxDN title in the last 40 some odd years. Germany has 80 million people and without three guys it’s game over? My point stands, when we don’t send are best it’s big deal. This team has one national win this year between three guys. It’s the same for the US team as well, plus it’s in a GP wheel house track.

agn5009 wrote:

You’re right, It’s not about population. Netherlands has roughly 19 million people which is about the same size of the state of New York. It’s crazy...

You’re right, It’s not about population. Netherlands has roughly 19 million people which is about the same size of the state of New York. It’s crazy they have produced some of the fastest riders the last couple years.

Park Boys wrote:

I have always used Belgium as an example. When Everts retired before the rise of AC the all time title and wins lists for the most...

I have always used Belgium as an example. When Everts retired before the rise of AC the all time title and wins lists for the most part were a bunch of Belgians and it used to be Belgians beating Belgians for world titles for years. For a time it wasn’t USA vs Europe it was USA vs Belgium.

presto170 wrote:

I’m not gunna lie I just love winding you up on here cause it’s so easy, don’t let me ruin your day mr parkboys. Have a...

I’m not gunna lie I just love winding you up on here cause it’s so easy, don’t let me ruin your day mr parkboys. Have a good weekend 😂

Park Boys wrote:

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive...

The French are contenders no matter what, it’s the team boss that causes them not to be, and for years the Belgians talent pool was massive. Italy, UK, France and Germany are not small countries. Your not filling a gate your grabbing three guys. I love the population argument.. so basically your saying throughout history everyone but the Belgians suck. It’s not all about population if it was the UK should have more than 1 MxDN title in the last 40 some odd years. Germany has 80 million people and without three guys it’s game over? My point stands, when we don’t send are best it’s big deal. This team has one national win this year between three guys. It’s the same for the US team as well, plus it’s in a GP wheel house track.