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philG wrote:

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days. No other sport...

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days.

No other sport even comes close .

I also think the lack of recovery time between races for the AMA guys is a factor, having all the races back to back, means you cant get stuff properly into the body and get it absorbed between races, in MXGP they have an extra hour , and i think thats a major consideration,

To expect these guys to stay at a top level for a season that runs every weekend pretty much , is asking for trouble.

When you look at Oylmpic athletes , they race so little is untrue , they train all year for one or two major events, with a smattering of others thrown in, You dont see Usain Bolt racing every saturday afternoon.

The only schedule that comes close is Soccer, here in europe, i know baseball play 8 million games a year , but pretty sure. sitting on your arse for most of it doesnt take a lot of effort... same for NFL. although the NFL season is 16 games, those boys know how to milk it.

And then you have the travel, exposed to all sorts of shit air on planes.

i had a virus years ago, literally wiped me out, used to come home from work, and have to sleep for an hour, like the dead. to get through the rest of the day.. i had trained over the winter well ( for me, a bit of gym work and fitness) and changed jobs just as the season started , and it went downhill pretty quick, to the point where i went to one race, did 3 laps of practice and was spent... turned out the Lab i worked in had Aircon that was screwed, i ran the forklift into it and it was down for a week, i felt better after 3 days and in the 9 days from when i 'fixed it' to when they 'fixed it' , i was back to good, by the wednesday of the next week i was back to how i was, 2 weeks later i quit.

All these guys living in fully airconditioned places in Florida Etc are not helping themselves IMO, air quality is a major contributor to so many things,

agn5009 wrote:

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes...

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes on. My personal opinion is this is the greatest sport on earth. However I don’t get blinded by that and say it’s the most physically demanding sport just because it’s my favorite. I’m in pretty decent shape. I could absolutely positively get myself through a professional mx race. Will I be tired? Sure. Will I be able to go 100% the entire time? Probably not. Do you know what I absolutely could not will myself through? A marathon. There’s a 0% chance I’m making it.

I agree with everything else you’ve said though.

t_baum88 wrote:

Judging by your posts, you have exactly a 0.0% chance of of even making it around a pro outdoor track for 30 +2.

FU2 wrote:

Europeans don't have those issues. Well our food isn't that genetically modified food. The poison what your guys putting into your food or whatever is here...

Europeans don't have those issues. Well our food isn't that genetically modified food. The poison what your guys putting into your food or whatever is here on the blacklist as poison. Sooner or later it pops up.

Or it's just the coke,booz and the women.

Maybe they should contact Deano to get some CBD.

bvm111 wrote:

Yes it is... Gregor Mendel discovered genetics by modifying pea plants in Austria in the mid 1800s ... there is no such thing as truly Non...

Yes it is... Gregor Mendel discovered genetics by modifying pea plants in Austria in the mid 1800s ... there is no such thing as truly Non genetically modified anything anymore. And to claim that Blake is having issues because of wheat that can grow in drought conditions that is grown all over the world is disingenuous.

KHI Guy wrote:

I've been wondering if they have reached the point of diminishing returns on their training and fitness regiments? There is so much discussion on how science...

I've been wondering if they have reached the point of diminishing returns on their training and fitness regiments? There is so much discussion on how science an technology has taken moto-fitness to a new level, but maybe that is a level that is either unnecessary or unsustainable? The human body can only do so much, and everyone's body is different.

People like to say that RC wasn't as talented as his competition, he just raised the training stakes to a new level. Personally, I think that is BS. He was that good on a bike, and had the appropriate fitness level to maintain his speed for the race. I can't remember him coming down with any mysterious illnesses.

People also like to say that the older generations of pro-riders didn't train; Since there was no "Baker Factory" in the '80s and 90's, that means that nobody trained back then. That is utter BS! Rick Johnson was in as good of shape as anyone, and Jeff Ward used to compete in triathlons for Christ's sake. These guys were in shape, they went about it differently (and maybe smarter) back then. There wasn't chronic Epstein-Barr going around either.

Also, I don't necessarily think it is correct to train to oblivion then blame the schedule. The schedule is what it is, they need to train to the schedule, not blame it. So yes, I personally think that they really need to be focusing on the proper recovery time and techniques.

agn5009 wrote:

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes...

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes on. My personal opinion is this is the greatest sport on earth. However I don’t get blinded by that and say it’s the most physically demanding sport just because it’s my favorite. I’m in pretty decent shape. I could absolutely positively get myself through a professional mx race. Will I be tired? Sure. Will I be able to go 100% the entire time? Probably not. Do you know what I absolutely could not will myself through? A marathon. There’s a 0% chance I’m making it.

I agree with everything else you’ve said though.

t_baum88 wrote:

Judging by your posts, you have exactly a 0.0% chance of of even making it around a pro outdoor track for 30 +2.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep. Because internet posts correlate to physical ability :laugh: All I said was other athletes in other sports train just as hard as mx guys and...

Yep. Because internet posts correlate to physical ability

All I said was other athletes in other sports train just as hard as mx guys and people like you take it as a bash on this sport. God forbid I agree with only 9 out of the 10 things he posted about

t_baum88 wrote:

Judging by your posts, you have exactly a 0.0% chance of of even making it around a pro outdoor track for 30 +2.

agn5009 wrote:

Yep. Because internet posts correlate to physical ability :laugh: All I said was other athletes in other sports train just as hard as mx guys and...

Yep. Because internet posts correlate to physical ability

All I said was other athletes in other sports train just as hard as mx guys and people like you take it as a bash on this sport. God forbid I agree with only 9 out of the 10 things he posted about

t_baum88 wrote:

“I was a local pro/ top A rider in nationals (in harescrambles) when I was 17-18. Gave it all up and went to college, started a...

“I was a local pro/ top A rider in nationals (in harescrambles) when I was 17-18. Gave it all up and went to college, started a career and a family. I would ride once or twice a year throughout the years off but right around late last year I decided to get back into racing a little. It took a little while to get the fitness back but honestly the speed was still there. Was I as fast as I was when I was 18? Hell no. But I could still turn quick laps and can still win vet A.”

Your description of yourself from another thread.

Should we throw him out on Southwick or High Point on the Sunday after the national for 30+2 and take bets?

geeZ177 wrote:

Bring back the 90's. More parties and less training. In all seriousness though, the emphasis on training is definitely over the top. No way would I...

Bring back the 90's. More parties and less training. In all seriousness though, the emphasis on training is definitely over the top. No way would I want to be a pro racer in this era, due to it's less about riding a dirt bike and more about physical training.

m21racing wrote:

Fuckyea! Let's see more beer sponsorship. I think RV2 has it right. Win, then enjoy a cold one.

philG wrote:

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days. No other sport...

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days.

No other sport even comes close .

I also think the lack of recovery time between races for the AMA guys is a factor, having all the races back to back, means you cant get stuff properly into the body and get it absorbed between races, in MXGP they have an extra hour , and i think thats a major consideration,

To expect these guys to stay at a top level for a season that runs every weekend pretty much , is asking for trouble.

When you look at Oylmpic athletes , they race so little is untrue , they train all year for one or two major events, with a smattering of others thrown in, You dont see Usain Bolt racing every saturday afternoon.

The only schedule that comes close is Soccer, here in europe, i know baseball play 8 million games a year , but pretty sure. sitting on your arse for most of it doesnt take a lot of effort... same for NFL. although the NFL season is 16 games, those boys know how to milk it.

And then you have the travel, exposed to all sorts of shit air on planes.

i had a virus years ago, literally wiped me out, used to come home from work, and have to sleep for an hour, like the dead. to get through the rest of the day.. i had trained over the winter well ( for me, a bit of gym work and fitness) and changed jobs just as the season started , and it went downhill pretty quick, to the point where i went to one race, did 3 laps of practice and was spent... turned out the Lab i worked in had Aircon that was screwed, i ran the forklift into it and it was down for a week, i felt better after 3 days and in the 9 days from when i 'fixed it' to when they 'fixed it' , i was back to good, by the wednesday of the next week i was back to how i was, 2 weeks later i quit.

All these guys living in fully airconditioned places in Florida Etc are not helping themselves IMO, air quality is a major contributor to so many things,

agn5009 wrote:

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes...

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes on. My personal opinion is this is the greatest sport on earth. However I don’t get blinded by that and say it’s the most physically demanding sport just because it’s my favorite. I’m in pretty decent shape. I could absolutely positively get myself through a professional mx race. Will I be tired? Sure. Will I be able to go 100% the entire time? Probably not. Do you know what I absolutely could not will myself through? A marathon. There’s a 0% chance I’m making it.

I agree with everything else you’ve said though.

philG wrote:

Fucking boxing... top guys are lucky to have to fight twice a year. Cycling is probably closest, rest of them ate fucking part time sports

agn5009 wrote:

Have I said I have the fitness of any pro athlete? I’m a regular guy. You’re really trying to compare my fitness to Roczen, Tomac, Usain...

Have I said I have the fitness of any pro athlete? I’m a regular guy. You’re really trying to compare my fitness to Roczen, Tomac, Usain Bolt, Saquan Barkley, Kobe Bryant, Eddie Merckx etc etc etc? Keep digging bud. You’re only making yourself look more pathetic.

agn5009 wrote:

Have I said I have the fitness of any pro athlete? I’m a regular guy. You’re really trying to compare my fitness to Roczen, Tomac, Usain...

Have I said I have the fitness of any pro athlete? I’m a regular guy. You’re really trying to compare my fitness to Roczen, Tomac, Usain Bolt, Saquan Barkley, Kobe Bryant, Eddie Merckx etc etc etc? Keep digging bud. You’re only making yourself look more pathetic.

t_baum88 wrote:

Dude you said you could make it around a pro outdoor track for 30+2. I’m just saying I’d like to see it happen.

philG wrote:

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days. No other sport...

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days.

No other sport even comes close .

I also think the lack of recovery time between races for the AMA guys is a factor, having all the races back to back, means you cant get stuff properly into the body and get it absorbed between races, in MXGP they have an extra hour , and i think thats a major consideration,

To expect these guys to stay at a top level for a season that runs every weekend pretty much , is asking for trouble.

When you look at Oylmpic athletes , they race so little is untrue , they train all year for one or two major events, with a smattering of others thrown in, You dont see Usain Bolt racing every saturday afternoon.

The only schedule that comes close is Soccer, here in europe, i know baseball play 8 million games a year , but pretty sure. sitting on your arse for most of it doesnt take a lot of effort... same for NFL. although the NFL season is 16 games, those boys know how to milk it.

And then you have the travel, exposed to all sorts of shit air on planes.

i had a virus years ago, literally wiped me out, used to come home from work, and have to sleep for an hour, like the dead. to get through the rest of the day.. i had trained over the winter well ( for me, a bit of gym work and fitness) and changed jobs just as the season started , and it went downhill pretty quick, to the point where i went to one race, did 3 laps of practice and was spent... turned out the Lab i worked in had Aircon that was screwed, i ran the forklift into it and it was down for a week, i felt better after 3 days and in the 9 days from when i 'fixed it' to when they 'fixed it' , i was back to good, by the wednesday of the next week i was back to how i was, 2 weeks later i quit.

All these guys living in fully airconditioned places in Florida Etc are not helping themselves IMO, air quality is a major contributor to so many things,

agn5009 wrote:

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes...

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes on. My personal opinion is this is the greatest sport on earth. However I don’t get blinded by that and say it’s the most physically demanding sport just because it’s my favorite. I’m in pretty decent shape. I could absolutely positively get myself through a professional mx race. Will I be tired? Sure. Will I be able to go 100% the entire time? Probably not. Do you know what I absolutely could not will myself through? A marathon. There’s a 0% chance I’m making it.

I agree with everything else you’ve said though.

level wrote:

If it’s Epstein Barr I don’t think it has anything to do with training and all to do with getting the virus like the flu etc...

If it’s Epstein Barr I don’t think it has anything to do with training and all to do with getting the virus like the flu etc. mostly through kissing.
Now if they are over trained that is not a virus. A virus is well a virus.

philG wrote:

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days. No other sport...

I think that its a result of the level of fitness and training required to be a top line MX rider these days.

No other sport even comes close .

I also think the lack of recovery time between races for the AMA guys is a factor, having all the races back to back, means you cant get stuff properly into the body and get it absorbed between races, in MXGP they have an extra hour , and i think thats a major consideration,

To expect these guys to stay at a top level for a season that runs every weekend pretty much , is asking for trouble.

When you look at Oylmpic athletes , they race so little is untrue , they train all year for one or two major events, with a smattering of others thrown in, You dont see Usain Bolt racing every saturday afternoon.

The only schedule that comes close is Soccer, here in europe, i know baseball play 8 million games a year , but pretty sure. sitting on your arse for most of it doesnt take a lot of effort... same for NFL. although the NFL season is 16 games, those boys know how to milk it.

And then you have the travel, exposed to all sorts of shit air on planes.

i had a virus years ago, literally wiped me out, used to come home from work, and have to sleep for an hour, like the dead. to get through the rest of the day.. i had trained over the winter well ( for me, a bit of gym work and fitness) and changed jobs just as the season started , and it went downhill pretty quick, to the point where i went to one race, did 3 laps of practice and was spent... turned out the Lab i worked in had Aircon that was screwed, i ran the forklift into it and it was down for a week, i felt better after 3 days and in the 9 days from when i 'fixed it' to when they 'fixed it' , i was back to good, by the wednesday of the next week i was back to how i was, 2 weeks later i quit.

All these guys living in fully airconditioned places in Florida Etc are not helping themselves IMO, air quality is a major contributor to so many things,

agn5009 wrote:

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes...

No other sport comes close? That’s complete nonsense. Lots of sports are equally as physically demanding. Bicycling, boxing, swimming, soccer, marathon running and the list goes on. My personal opinion is this is the greatest sport on earth. However I don’t get blinded by that and say it’s the most physically demanding sport just because it’s my favorite. I’m in pretty decent shape. I could absolutely positively get myself through a professional mx race. Will I be tired? Sure. Will I be able to go 100% the entire time? Probably not. Do you know what I absolutely could not will myself through? A marathon. There’s a 0% chance I’m making it.

I agree with everything else you’ve said though.

whateversclever69 wrote:

You could not make it through an entire outdoor moto on the tracks they run with 39 other riders at 70% of your version of full...

You could not make it through an entire outdoor moto on the tracks they run with 39 other riders at 70% of your version of full speed.

Log Hopper wrote:

Just read the Blake story on Racer X https://racerxonline.com/2019/07/26/blake-baggett-dealing-with-unknown-virus-will-sit-out-washougal Vitards know all about the top riders but everyone else I know talk about other sports and...

Just read the Blake story on Racer X https://racerxonline.com/2019/07/26/blake-baggett-dealing-with-unknown-…
Vitards know all about the top riders but everyone else I know talk about other sports and I dont hear about all these sicknesses. So what's up? Everyone here talks about eating dirt, overworked, diets, track snacks, metal body parts, humidty, etc. Us fans and these badasses are getting screwed. My experience says not many major problems have a single solution. Maybe the 80s and 90s badasses didn't talk about it? Not enough alcohol to kill the bugs? Not enough public schooling? "Excuse" for other problems? Do Europeans have same issues?

Last Braaap wrote:

It is caused by the prolonged exposure to 4 strokes.

#2smokerssavelives

philG wrote:

Fucking boxing... top guys are lucky to have to fight twice a year. Cycling is probably closest, rest of them ate fucking part time sports

philG wrote:

Fucking boxing... top guys are lucky to have to fight twice a year. Cycling is probably closest, rest of them ate fucking part time sports

SeaClassExpert wrote:

Part time sports including 2 of the top 4 most popular in America where the NBA and NHL go from October to April LMAOOO if you...

Part time sports including 2 of the top 4 most popular in America where the NBA and NHL go from October to April LMAOOO if you make the finals you go halfway into June for fucks sake. This doesn’t even count training camp or the pre-season.

Some of the shit i read on this website I swear; I can’t wait to hear about how in the ol’ days Bob Hannah and Jeff Ward walked up a hill 2.5 miles EACH WAY to get to the track.

philG wrote:

Fucking boxing... top guys are lucky to have to fight twice a year. Cycling is probably closest, rest of them ate fucking part time sports

SeaClassExpert wrote:

Part time sports including 2 of the top 4 most popular in America where the NBA and NHL go from October to April LMAOOO if you...

Part time sports including 2 of the top 4 most popular in America where the NBA and NHL go from October to April LMAOOO if you make the finals you go halfway into June for fucks sake. This doesn’t even count training camp or the pre-season.

Some of the shit i read on this website I swear; I can’t wait to hear about how in the ol’ days Bob Hannah and Jeff Ward walked up a hill 2.5 miles EACH WAY to get to the track.

agn5009 wrote:

Pretty comical, isn’t it? To discredit those who are the best in the world at anything is pretty pathetic. It takes a lot of hard work...

Pretty comical, isn’t it? To discredit those who are the best in the world at anything is pretty pathetic. It takes a lot of hard work and determination to be a professional at any sport. It’s very rare that an athlete makes it as a professional while leaning on talent alone. Most work their asses off more than any of us normal people could ever imagine.