Ferrandis out for MXON at Assen!

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If it was a week or two after outdoors, I think interest would be a lot higher. But deep into the break, as teams are starting...
If it was a week or two after outdoors, I think interest would be a lot higher. But deep into the break, as teams are starting testing for SX, just is completely out of sync.
if it wasnt like this , what series changed their schedule ?? the 2 weeks you are talking about , are the 2 weeks the AMA...
if it wasnt like this , what series changed their schedule ?? the 2 weeks you are talking about , are the 2 weeks the AMA stops earlier as back in the days when last race was end of september ..it used to be 2 weeks after end of AMA season and then AMA changed schedule ..


last race in 2004 ..11-12 sept
last race in 2010 ...11 sept
last race in 2013 ... 23 august
last race in 2018 -- 25 august

there is your 2 weeks
2000 Motocross des Nations: September 9-10.
2018 Motocross of Nations: October 7-8.

The U.S. teams asked that the MX series end in late August, while at the same time Youthstream was expanding deep into late September with a 20-race schedule. I think it's a two-way street that hurts U.S.-based riders more (and so does that million-dollar bonus that the MEC pays that has the attention of many top riders here...)

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You’re right they were. But why’s that matter? They were still there and still participated.
Ok if I count those two and all the teams, the number is 10% instead of 12%, if you like those numbers better. And this is when the race was in the US. If we use 2017, only 6% was US series riders, and that's counting Puerto Rico. 7 riders out of 111 was from the US series (Osborne, Seely, Wilson, Starling, Sanayei, Weltin and Noren)
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MXdN must be a huge earner for Luongo so why doesn't the greedy little fat man coincide the end of MXGP with the end of the nationals and run the nations next weekend ?
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MXdN must be a huge earner for Luongo so why doesn't the greedy little fat man coincide the end of MXGP with the end of the...
MXdN must be a huge earner for Luongo so why doesn't the greedy little fat man coincide the end of MXGP with the end of the nationals and run the nations next weekend ?
No teams would allow their riders to go in the middle of a championship.
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7/9/2019 2:08pm
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No teams would allow their riders to go in the middle of a championship.
I'm not sure if you misunderstood what he said or are talking about a national championship in the Netherlands or something like that? Do the MXGP teams care that much about those national championships?

He's saying to change the GP schedule so that it ends the same weekend as the US schedule and run MXdN the weekend after, which is exactly how it was done in 2011 so it can be done.
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So, to sum it up

Non American bows out ? = Cool, baddass tell it like it is, Love the guy.

American bows out? = Pussy, Scared, Lame always hated the guy anyways.
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7/9/2019 2:17pm
Remember that the FIM is the parent of the AMA and the AMA is not looked at like it once was. And the cost will never go down for this race as long as the parties that be will continue to get paid what they ask for.
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7/9/2019 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 2:25pm
Don’t worry Dylan, the “global” MxDN will be back to the same three countries it’s always at right after this in one tiny area of the world. Although GL would hold the MxDN in a cow field in the middle of Sudan if he was paid enough.
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7/9/2019 2:31pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 2:33pm
Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just doesn't step back and brings some sense of humor to the table.

That is, in my opinion, a champion's mindset, and mainly the Motocross spirit: hunger for riding wherever it is, whenever it is and with a badass attitude.

The difference between someone who wants trophies and someone who loves this sport.

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7/9/2019 2:41pm
Unless they've changed it / Luongos 'pocketed' it, there is actually some prize money at the MXDN.

Though, it's something absolutely piddling (indeed, laughable), like around a couple of thousand Euro.
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500guy wrote:
So, to sum it up Non American bows out ? = Cool, baddass tell it like it is, Love the guy. American bows out? = Pussy...
So, to sum it up

Non American bows out ? = Cool, baddass tell it like it is, Love the guy.

American bows out? = Pussy, Scared, Lame always hated the guy anyways.
Fair enough. I think there is a key difference: the American riders seem terrified of the Wrath of the Vitards...Dylan seems pretty comfortable in his own skin, and tells it like it is. I like that....just like I appreciated him giving it right back to that scumbag at Southwick...
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7/9/2019 3:56pm
I wouldn't be surprised if they select for MX2 bike Gautier Paulin. Maybe they will give him double shift and give him MX1 bike too. I...
I wouldn't be surprised if they select for MX2 bike Gautier Paulin. Maybe they will give him double shift and give him MX1 bike too.

I mean why to stop there they can give him the OPEN bike participation too. They can make him even the manager of team Paulin... I mean team France. That's how you save costs on MXoN.
I can see why it's your third and last attempt.
7/9/2019 5:02pm
500guy wrote:
So, to sum it up Non American bows out ? = Cool, baddass tell it like it is, Love the guy. American bows out? = Pussy...
So, to sum it up

Non American bows out ? = Cool, baddass tell it like it is, Love the guy.

American bows out? = Pussy, Scared, Lame always hated the guy anyways.
Fair enough. I think there is a key difference: the American riders seem terrified of the Wrath of the Vitards...Dylan seems pretty comfortable in his own...
Fair enough. I think there is a key difference: the American riders seem terrified of the Wrath of the Vitards...Dylan seems pretty comfortable in his own skin, and tells it like it is. I like that....just like I appreciated him giving it right back to that scumbag at Southwick...
What example do you have of an American rider being terrified of the wrath of vitards?
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its the olympics of MX , there is no payout ... you think athletes gets paid by international Olympic Committee ? they dont give prize money...
its the olympics of MX , there is no payout ...

you think athletes gets paid by international Olympic Committee ? they dont give prize money, but many countries reward their medalists with a bonus. U.S. Olympians, for example, earned $37,500 for each gold medal won this year, $22,500 for each silver and $15,000 for each bronze ..


The Olympics in many cases is the one opportunity in 4 years for its athletes to gain exposure, we're not talking about diving or badminton every day of the week. This is not the case for MX. Look at how many of the top stars opt out of the Olympics in Basketball, that's a more viable comparison. The best stars in that sport earn their cash in a week in week out national competition, much like the MX stars do. Those teams struggle to release their players once every 4 years to attend the olympics.

But youthstream not only expect the best rider to show up every year, they expect their team to foot the bill, at a time which is inconvenient for them to do so.

Youthstream have every right to put the race on whenever and wherever they choose. The teams and the riders have every right to choose their core business over it and not attend. National pride only goes so far. Fact is its convenient for a team/rider that competes in the GP's, its not convenient if you're contracted to win MEC/US SX or US MX. If im Dylan or Tomac im not going either.
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7/9/2019 5:25pm
I remember when David Bailey did a USGP while he was leading a points race for a title. He raced because he wanted to win and it was a matter of pride. Very few riders would do that today. Bailey, Ward, Glover have all given their opinions on riders not racing the MXoN, and it's not very favorable.
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I remember when David Bailey did a USGP while he was leading a points race for a title. He raced because he wanted to win and...
I remember when David Bailey did a USGP while he was leading a points race for a title. He raced because he wanted to win and it was a matter of pride. Very few riders would do that today. Bailey, Ward, Glover have all given their opinions on riders not racing the MXoN, and it's not very favorable.
With all due respect to Bailey Ward and Glover. Who cares what they think?

Its a different time, different responsibility's and a shit load more money on the line these days. How pumped do you think Bobby Hewitt was when the Japanese rider landed on his number one rider in some rando overseas race which means nothing in the grand scheme of things. How do you think Anderson would've felt? That could literally have been a million dollar injury, all for national pride. Yeah great take that to the bank.
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I remember when David Bailey did a USGP while he was leading a points race for a title. He raced because he wanted to win and...
I remember when David Bailey did a USGP while he was leading a points race for a title. He raced because he wanted to win and it was a matter of pride. Very few riders would do that today. Bailey, Ward, Glover have all given their opinions on riders not racing the MXoN, and it's not very favorable.
haydos25 wrote:
With all due respect to Bailey Ward and Glover. Who cares what they think? Its a different time, different responsibility's and a shit load more money...
With all due respect to Bailey Ward and Glover. Who cares what they think?

Its a different time, different responsibility's and a shit load more money on the line these days. How pumped do you think Bobby Hewitt was when the Japanese rider landed on his number one rider in some rando overseas race which means nothing in the grand scheme of things. How do you think Anderson would've felt? That could literally have been a million dollar injury, all for national pride. Yeah great take that to the bank.
What they were making back then was a lot of money back then. But they still rode, and plenty of people care what they think.
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Does this mean all the non-American posters are going to pile on Dylan for "making excuses" and not wanting to participate because he "might lose" like...
Does this mean all the non-American posters are going to pile on Dylan for "making excuses" and not wanting to participate because he "might lose" like they do for team USA? Doubt it. Funny that a French rider who has won the event recently shares the same sentiment as the Americans, yet he won't catch any flack for it.
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Yeah but he’s completely transparent about it. No room for speculation. And he’s won twice.
I think it's pretty well know that our riders feel the same way. It isn't some conspiracy.

Not sure what winning has to do with someone's opinion but I'd think if the multitime winner feels this way, it's only reasonable that the the ones who aren't winning due to the same circumstances would feel similar.
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If I was Dylan I woulda kept quiet about it cause chances were pretty good they were gonna go with Vialle this year anyway, and next year it's in France which is epic for a French rider! But now he's gone on record as turning it down and they'll make sure not pick him because of it..
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I don't blame him, Assen is a shit track built for deep sand riders . Please don't say it's the same for everyone. It's the same...
I don't blame him, Assen is a shit track built for deep sand riders . Please don't say it's the same for everyone.
It's the same as putting a supercross track in for the mxdn, it would be built for supercross riders.

Keep it as neutral as possible or put a supercross track in the agenda at some point as well.

I think the latter would be as demoralising to most riders as the deep sand is for others.
France would have a strong chance of winning that too!
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7/9/2019 7:03pm
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Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just...
Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just doesn't step back and brings some sense of humor to the table.

That is, in my opinion, a champion's mindset, and mainly the Motocross spirit: hunger for riding wherever it is, whenever it is and with a badass attitude.

The difference between someone who wants trophies and someone who loves this sport.

I would have thought that most of the 90 odd riders who willingly show up for MXoN are warned that they have little chance of winning, but want to race anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why you think that Adam Cianciarulo is some kind of stand-out in this regard.

The true heros of MXoN are the amatuer riders from smaller nations who bust their balls to get there to ride for their country, not the highly paid pros that get the attention of star-struck muppets like you..
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7/9/2019 7:11pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 7:14pm
DC wrote:
2000 Motocross des Nations: September 9-10. 2018 Motocross of Nations: October 7-8. The U.S. teams asked that the MX series end in late August, while at...
2000 Motocross des Nations: September 9-10.
2018 Motocross of Nations: October 7-8.

The U.S. teams asked that the MX series end in late August, while at the same time Youthstream was expanding deep into late September with a 20-race schedule. I think it's a two-way street that hurts U.S.-based riders more (and so does that million-dollar bonus that the MEC pays that has the attention of many top riders here...)

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Edit: Again just going off what I can work out from google

1996- 22nd September
1997- 14th September
1998- 27th September
1999- 26th September
(This is a screen shot of a post I put in another thread)
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7/9/2019 7:27pm
RDX wrote:
Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just...
Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just doesn't step back and brings some sense of humor to the table.

That is, in my opinion, a champion's mindset, and mainly the Motocross spirit: hunger for riding wherever it is, whenever it is and with a badass attitude.

The difference between someone who wants trophies and someone who loves this sport.

I would have thought that most of the 90 odd riders who willingly show up for MXoN are warned that they have little chance of winning...
I would have thought that most of the 90 odd riders who willingly show up for MXoN are warned that they have little chance of winning, but want to race anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why you think that Adam Cianciarulo is some kind of stand-out in this regard.

The true heros of MXoN are the amatuer riders from smaller nations who bust their balls to get there to ride for their country, not the highly paid pros that get the attention of star-struck muppets like you..
He's a standout because he's a top tier rider in the States
Being one of the fastest national riders, if he loses, he loses bragging rights so to say. Some guy from Latvia who is barely a top 20 GP rider isn't putting as much on the line because no one expects to uch from them. This is just another reason to like AC.
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7/9/2019 7:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2019 7:40pm
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No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5...
No chance. USA will easily make it, it will be a challenging track for them but I fully expect them to be around the Top 5 in the team standings.

As far as Ferrandis not going, I think that sucks, he’s basically saying he’s not going cos the track is too difficult, which is a bit lame, he rides the sand well, so I don’t understand why he’s that worried about it. It’s a bit of a blow to France, but they have some capable young talent around at the moment. I still fancy them to challenge for the win
Adam’s comment about how they maybe should race the MotoGP track and not the sand is absolute gold Laughing
Yeah until you remember Febvre came from SuperMoto.
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7/9/2019 8:34pm
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Blame circus cross, the same easy tracks every week, i don't know when the manufacturas are going to realize that sx dont sell Bikes, the same...
Blame circus cross, the same easy tracks every week, i don't know when the manufacturas are going to realize that sx dont sell Bikes, the same People Who goes sx , fills the stadiums on a monster jam event
Put a top level Euro sand rider on one of our “easy” Supercross tracks and they’ll get passed by guys they've never heard of like they’re standing still.

I can’t believe I even responded to your shit-tier post
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7/9/2019 8:54pm
Poor Fernando not going to a temporary throw away track. He races these tracks from Jan to May why bother going to this crap show.
des Nations should be on a proper circuit if its not its just another side show
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What they were making back then was a lot of money back then. But they still rode, and plenty of people care what they think.
But were they racing 30 national races a year back then? I'm not sure i'm genuinely asking the question.

I hear all the time that its only 1 extra race, just do it. But its not, its like 5 weeks training in your short period of holiday. It's one week before the start of the most important part of your year (ie. supercross basically starts at MEC now) Not only that you do it all against the wishes most of the time of your primary employer, who is then expected to financially and logistically support those endeavours with zero to gain on there end and a hell of a lot to lose.

In my opinion its a miracle teams still go to this event at all as it relys solely on national pride. Thats wearing pretty thin on both sides of the pond from the sounds of it.
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Funny shit. France wouldnt have picked Ferrandis anyway. With Paulin, Febvre and VIALLE on a 250 they have a perfect team, and much less costs than if they would choose Ferrandis and Musquin.

With Dylan saying he doesn't wanna ride anyway, it just makes it simpler for the French federation to pick a team without anyone wining about it, They proved more than once that they don't need the AMA riders...
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7/10/2019 1:03am
Funny shit. France wouldnt have picked Ferrandis anyway. With Paulin, Febvre and VIALLE on a 250 they have a perfect team, and much less costs than...
Funny shit. France wouldnt have picked Ferrandis anyway. With Paulin, Febvre and VIALLE on a 250 they have a perfect team, and much less costs than if they would choose Ferrandis and Musquin.

With Dylan saying he doesn't wanna ride anyway, it just makes it simpler for the French federation to pick a team without anyone wining about it, They proved more than once that they don't need the AMA riders...
You mean Dylan was saying he wouldn’t ride coz he knew he wouldn’t get pick anyway so he threw it out there before the team was picked?
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7/10/2019 1:05am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2019 1:06am
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Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just...
Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just doesn't step back and brings some sense of humor to the table.

That is, in my opinion, a champion's mindset, and mainly the Motocross spirit: hunger for riding wherever it is, whenever it is and with a badass attitude.

The difference between someone who wants trophies and someone who loves this sport.

I would have thought that most of the 90 odd riders who willingly show up for MXoN are warned that they have little chance of winning...
I would have thought that most of the 90 odd riders who willingly show up for MXoN are warned that they have little chance of winning, but want to race anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why you think that Adam Cianciarulo is some kind of stand-out in this regard.

The true heros of MXoN are the amatuer riders from smaller nations who bust their balls to get there to ride for their country, not the highly paid pros that get the attention of star-struck muppets like you..
Those 90 odd riders are not supposed to win. AC is. Anything else than winning it's a failure. He will go anyways.

Amateur true heros? For sure, riders who just love the sport for what it is. But they are not supposed to win. They won't be claimed and cursed everywhere if they don't win. That's a big difference.

Watch your mouth gentleman, this is not about insulting others.
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