Sexton out for RedBud

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naterbomb88 wrote:
I definitely think some of these guys that train hard everyday during the week need to ease back some and try to rest more. I think...
I definitely think some of these guys that train hard everyday during the week need to ease back some and try to rest more. I think they exhaust themself before race day and then race day just takes so much, that they are making themselves sick. I hope Sexton gets himself back to 100% and comes back strong.
What does their normal program have to do with heat exhaustion?
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Sweetd31 I know your trying to lighten up the seriousness of his issues but he doesn’t get paid if he doesn’t do his job and he...
Sweetd31 I know your trying to lighten up the seriousness of his issues but he doesn’t get paid if he doesn’t do his job and he could have problems from now on with hot or hot and humid races.
Was a comment deleted? I'm a bit lost by this.
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I had a heatstroke 20 years ago. Didn't seem to cause any lingering effects, except I was stupid for a week afterwards.
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Sorry for the dumb question, but what is that exiting Chase's mouth? At first I thought it was a mouth piece. I'm don't believe I would have chosen that picture
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I know my side of the fence likes to razz you guys (and you, us), but when the chips are down I have huge respect for...
I know my side of the fence likes to razz you guys (and you, us), but when the chips are down I have huge respect for what you do. I’ve seen some stuff on assist fire calls that would’ve given me the willies...Thank you for your service.
Yeah, had some scary shit a time or two where the cavalry came to save the day. Back at you brother.
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ShipLap wrote:
I had a heatstroke 20 years ago. Didn't seem to cause any lingering effects, except I was stupid for a week afterwards.
Damn, I think I found my problem.
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tcallahan707 wrote:
What does their normal program have to do with heat exhaustion?
Not enough rest, rehab and rehydration.
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Highflier wrote:
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick. Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida...
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick.
Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida that he couldn’t cool down after 1st moto.
He then said the next week he rode 3 days and his dad wouldn’t let him go into air conditioning between his practice motos to cool down and recover.
His dad made him sit out in the heat.
Dumb, very dumb.

Sounds like he should fire his dad as a trainer
His dad did a good job raising him, but if he really did that he really needs to step aside and let his son go out on his own.
naterbomb88 7/5/2019 8:39pm
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naterbomb88 wrote:
I definitely think some of these guys that train hard everyday during the week need to ease back some and try to rest more. I think...
I definitely think some of these guys that train hard everyday during the week need to ease back some and try to rest more. I think they exhaust themself before race day and then race day just takes so much, that they are making themselves sick. I hope Sexton gets himself back to 100% and comes back strong.
tcallahan707 wrote:
What does their normal program have to do with heat exhaustion?
I think it really depends on the guy but I was just thinkin that maybe if Sexton and Kenny wouldn't have been out all week in the Florida heat grinding before WW and did some more resting would have maybe not been as hit so hard by the heat. Just an idea with a lot of maybes and probably totally wrong
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His dad did a good job raising him, but if he really did that he really needs to step aside and let his son go out...
His dad did a good job raising him, but if he really did that he really needs to step aside and let his son go out on his own.
Just to be clear I’m not throwing crap out there.....
54:50 mark of the Weege and Bailey pod.
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Kyle_McNab wrote:
Who ever made him ride between ww and south wick made a terrible decision. Is it not common sense he shouldn’t have been on the bike?
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He probably forced himself to ride. I've heard all of the Sandbox guys (Roczen, AC, Seely, Craig) at some point say how hard Sexton works. He...
He probably forced himself to ride. I've heard all of the Sandbox guys (Roczen, AC, Seely, Craig) at some point say how hard Sexton works. He almost always does the most laps, the longest bike rides, etc. Some of that is dedication, but a tiny part of it can be insecurity. At his young age, he's learning some valuable lessons about pushing too hard in training. All of those guys from Sandbox were a bit flat at WW, and AC even said they all did too much.

Also, I said this before, but Blake Savage was coaching KR, Cole, Craig and I believe Sexton. One has to wonder with his horrible injury and not being around what effect that is having on the training programs. I'm sure he's still in contact but not being there firsthand to keep an eye on the fatigue is a big factor.
Highflier wrote:
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick. Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida...
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick.
Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida that he couldn’t cool down after 1st moto.
He then said the next week he rode 3 days and his dad wouldn’t let him go into air conditioning between his practice motos to cool down and recover.
His dad made him sit out in the heat.
Dumb, very dumb.

Sounds like he should fire his dad as a trainer
Wow.

If that is true, Geico Honda should demand that he cuts his dad off and gets a proper trainer.
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Highflier wrote:
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick. Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida...
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick.
Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida that he couldn’t cool down after 1st moto.
He then said the next week he rode 3 days and his dad wouldn’t let him go into air conditioning between his practice motos to cool down and recover.
His dad made him sit out in the heat.
Dumb, very dumb.

Sounds like he should fire his dad as a trainer
Thanks for posting that. I listened to that and totally forgot about what went on during the week. I think his dad is only the practice bike guy, but obviously he has a lot of influence. Still not 100% sure if Chase is coached by Blake Savage but I think so, and I really think not having a coach right there on the day and during the week was not ideal either.

He's young and he'll bounce back, Tomac had a similar meltdown at Freestone in 2010 and he learned how to handle the heat well enough to earn 3 MX titles.
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Sorry for the dumb question, but what is that exiting Chase's mouth? At first I thought it was a mouth piece. I'm don't believe I would...
Sorry for the dumb question, but what is that exiting Chase's mouth? At first I thought it was a mouth piece. I'm don't believe I would have chosen that picture
Its water.
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mark_swart wrote:
So here's my question- was it better for him to go all out that first moto to establish that he had the speed to win, or...
So here's my question- was it better for him to go all out that first moto to establish that he had the speed to win, or would it have been better to back it down, survive, and lock down probably 3rd in the overall championship? I think you could make an argument for either.
ride around, couple of 5ths... be fresh for the next weekend.
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tcallahan707 wrote:
Was a comment deleted? I'm a bit lost by this.
No, 10/10 agree this has been a dangerous summer, page 1
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tcallahan707 wrote:
What does their normal program have to do with heat exhaustion?
captmoto wrote:
Not enough rest, rehab and rehydration.
The week after WW, yea. But you’re inferring that they normally don’t do enough of that. I have to disagree considering that many times they are barely sweating after the motos/mains. They are pretty dialed in. If anything, they focus on recovery. It’s what helps then work harder.
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hamncheeze wrote:
He probably forced himself to ride. I've heard all of the Sandbox guys (Roczen, AC, Seely, Craig) at some point say how hard Sexton works. He...
He probably forced himself to ride. I've heard all of the Sandbox guys (Roczen, AC, Seely, Craig) at some point say how hard Sexton works. He almost always does the most laps, the longest bike rides, etc. Some of that is dedication, but a tiny part of it can be insecurity. At his young age, he's learning some valuable lessons about pushing too hard in training. All of those guys from Sandbox were a bit flat at WW, and AC even said they all did too much.

Also, I said this before, but Blake Savage was coaching KR, Cole, Craig and I believe Sexton. One has to wonder with his horrible injury and not being around what effect that is having on the training programs. I'm sure he's still in contact but not being there firsthand to keep an eye on the fatigue is a big factor.
Highflier wrote:
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick. Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida...
I listened to the Weege pod with Bailey today, it was from last week before Southwick.
Sexton was on it talking about his problem in Florida that he couldn’t cool down after 1st moto.
He then said the next week he rode 3 days and his dad wouldn’t let him go into air conditioning between his practice motos to cool down and recover.
His dad made him sit out in the heat.
Dumb, very dumb.

Sounds like he should fire his dad as a trainer
Motofinne wrote:
Wow.

If that is true, Geico Honda should demand that he cuts his dad off and gets a proper trainer.
It is true but I mean why doesn’t anyone from Honda step in, like you invest all this money into rider to let this happen? They act like they have never seen heat exhaustion. Made it worse than it was probably going to be had he chilled out during the week.
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tcallahan707 7/6/2019 6:37am
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tcallahan707 wrote:
Was a comment deleted? I'm a bit lost by this.
Sweetd31 wrote:
No, 10/10 agree this has been a dangerous summer, page 1
Right. I replied to Mr. Info because I don’t see where you were trying to make light of the situation.

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It's interesting Sexton mentioned having AC all the time as a factor. Apparently they have a tougher time finding young people that can tolerate heat these days to serve in the military also. I grew up without AC and it still feels weird and artificially cold. Usually I start sneezing when I go from heat to AC.
Hannah got heat stroke at one of his first races and stopped using AC. I read an interview that he used to drive around with the heater on. I don't think you can live in AC all the time and then go do two 30+2's in 100 degree heat. I would be acclimating myself to the heat but slowly.
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
It's interesting Sexton mentioned having AC all the time as a factor. Apparently they have a tougher time finding young people that can tolerate heat these...
It's interesting Sexton mentioned having AC all the time as a factor. Apparently they have a tougher time finding young people that can tolerate heat these days to serve in the military also. I grew up without AC and it still feels weird and artificially cold. Usually I start sneezing when I go from heat to AC.
Hannah got heat stroke at one of his first races and stopped using AC. I read an interview that he used to drive around with the heater on. I don't think you can live in AC all the time and then go do two 30+2's in 100 degree heat. I would be acclimating myself to the heat but slowly.
Exactly correct. You have to acclimate by being out in the heat all the time. I work outside in the heat most of the day and easily outlast the people I ride with when it is hot. Probably just because I am used to it.

Can't blame his Dad when we know none of the facts. Did we blame Eli's father (training genius and superb athlete) when he had trouble in TX that time?
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yak651 7/6/2019 7:07pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
It's interesting Sexton mentioned having AC all the time as a factor. Apparently they have a tougher time finding young people that can tolerate heat these...
It's interesting Sexton mentioned having AC all the time as a factor. Apparently they have a tougher time finding young people that can tolerate heat these days to serve in the military also. I grew up without AC and it still feels weird and artificially cold. Usually I start sneezing when I go from heat to AC.
Hannah got heat stroke at one of his first races and stopped using AC. I read an interview that he used to drive around with the heater on. I don't think you can live in AC all the time and then go do two 30+2's in 100 degree heat. I would be acclimating myself to the heat but slowly.
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Exactly correct. You have to acclimate by being out in the heat all the time. I work outside in the heat most of the day and...
Exactly correct. You have to acclimate by being out in the heat all the time. I work outside in the heat most of the day and easily outlast the people I ride with when it is hot. Probably just because I am used to it.

Can't blame his Dad when we know none of the facts. Did we blame Eli's father (training genius and superb athlete) when he had trouble in TX that time?
2 different situations. Eli's issue with the heat in Texas was during a race. The issue people are raising with Chase's dad is that he had him basically doing the typical training week after he had heat issues during the race 2-3 days earlier. Common sense says you need to rest and recover after basically passing out a couple days earlier.
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Teamoatmealpie 7/7/2019 12:09pm
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Knowledgeable trainers will have their athletes record their resting heart rate every morning upon waking up. This will provide a base line. After a race or max exertion most will see an increased resting heart the next day indicating their body is still recovering. If resting HR is not back to normal then it's time to rest and let the body recover.

I would think this is training 101 stuff, but then you never know.

I was blown away when Cole Seely said in an interview a few years ago something to the effect of "why do I need a heart rate monitor to tell me what my body can take?"

There's always this solution to heat stroke.

https://youtu.be/wVbP2S17Pfk
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DoctorJD wrote:
I suffered from heat exhaustion on a road bike ride a couple of years ago. It took me months to recover. It seems like you're hypersensitive...
I suffered from heat exhaustion on a road bike ride a couple of years ago. It took me months to recover. It seems like you're hypersensitive to heat for a long time after you get heat exhaustion.
I'd agree with that. I did a mountain bike ride last summer where I ran out of water 2.5 hours into a four-hour ride. I didn't feel good for quite a while after that.
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Why has it not been mentioned yet that you’re apparently using a Windows Phone? Don’t get me wrong - I work for Microsoft, loved Windows Phone and miss it dearly, but I’ve let it go and moved on a long time ago.

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