Rules regarding events being held at AMA sanctioned facilities.

Matthew_Craig
Edited Date/Time 6/11/2019 8:57pm
I work for a dealership that is trying to sponsor or hold a friday night racing under the lights series. Track were working with is an AMA sanctioned facility. We are thinking it will be a bi-weekly event on fridays. The points will be for this series only. NOT effecting our residing district in any way. District officials are telling track owners this cannot happen... We cannot find anything regarding a rule book for charters or track owners. The district rule books we have state nothing about what were trying to do.

Does anyone know the rules regarding AMA tracks or facilities? Can the track be "leased out" to private promotors to hold AMA events or even non ama events? Is what the district telling us truthful? If anyone knows any answers to these questions it would be greatly appreciated. OR answers as to where to look to seek these answers.

Thanks in advance!
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I'd give the AMA a call tomorrow.
On the 614 area code.
Around 9:15 am.
They are gonna know what district you are in.
Get the names of the people you talk to.
Be nice.
They will probably dump you to the district where you are trying to run.
Call them. Text and email them so you can save it and document the correspondence.
Be nice.
Get the names of all you talk to. And what they said.
Then get back here Wednesday or Thursday and let us know what happened.

They might not let you run if the dates conflict with
events the local district already run. I would think that would be the only valid issue.
You might have to join the local district board.
I dunno.

But it would be cool to actually see, instead of what a few guys think, about this process.

Good luck guy.
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I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year.

Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.

If the race is an AMA sanctioned event the points will count towards the riders RPV (Rider Point Value). If it's not part of a particular series it will not count towards that series points standings.

Hopefully that helps.
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Matthew_Craig 6/9/2019 7:28pm
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Zoom wrote:
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year. Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the...
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year.

Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.

If the race is an AMA sanctioned event the points will count towards the riders RPV (Rider Point Value). If it's not part of a particular series it will not count towards that series points standings.

Hopefully that helps.
Do you know where we can find this info in writing? Officially?

Can we hold this as a motocross event and call it that? As it was explained to us by the track owners is the district explained to them that any "motocross" labeled event would have to be scored and tracked as that and included into district scoring. This not being allowed obviously cause of scheduling and other reasons. Which is understandable. We would just like this to be a mini series or something that has nothing to do with our district points and series thus not effecting any scheduling or anything else pertaining to the district.

There are no other events within the district that is point accumulating other than weekends. Were not trying to interfere or step on any toes when it pertains to that. That track owners will still hold there regularly scheduled district sanctioned events and they will never cross nor interfere.

Thanks for reply.
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motogrady 6/9/2019 7:29pm
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Zoom wrote:
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year. Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the...
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year.

Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.

If the race is an AMA sanctioned event the points will count towards the riders RPV (Rider Point Value). If it's not part of a particular series it will not count towards that series points standings.

Hopefully that helps.
Can a track hold both AMA and non AMA events?
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Zoom wrote:
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year. Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the...
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year.

Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.

If the race is an AMA sanctioned event the points will count towards the riders RPV (Rider Point Value). If it's not part of a particular series it will not count towards that series points standings.

Hopefully that helps.
motogrady wrote:
Can a track hold both AMA and non AMA events?
Can a track hold an AMA sanctioned event that isn't a district sanctioned event?
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What fucking horse shit. The AMA doesn't own the track, the owner can do what he wants to do with it. Sounds like extortion to me for a district official to spout bullshit like it's any of his business. I'd tell that asshole to pound sand. As fucked up as California is, at least track owners can do whatever they want, as long as they want and they do run AMA qualifiers. If we had to pay the AMA extortion fees to race here, I wouldn't race. We get plenty of good racing without them.
REM

Mammoth Motocross, Swapmoto series, Over the Hill Gang, Old Timers MX, Cal VMX and American Retro Cross. Fuck AHRMA too. Vet Nationals, 2 Stroke Nationals

Adding a narrower event, the World Police and Fire Games at Thunder Valley
U.S. Police and Fire Championships
Fire and Police Motocross Nationals. FPMX has raced at Budds Creek, Frozen Ocean, NY, Arizona Cycle Park, Perris Raceway, Mesquite MX. Long Island MX Some others I probably missed. All done by the track owners without AMA interference.
Also add that back in the heyday here the Golden State Nationals was run without AMA sanction and drew plenty of top AMA pros.
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Zoom wrote:
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year. Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the...
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year.

Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.

If the race is an AMA sanctioned event the points will count towards the riders RPV (Rider Point Value). If it's not part of a particular series it will not count towards that series points standings.

Hopefully that helps.
motogrady wrote:
Can a track hold both AMA and non AMA events?
His post literally says

''Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.''
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Yes you can have a AMA race and not be a district event. Area qualifiers, Vet races, even some pro-am races are often not district events.
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motogrady 6/9/2019 8:11pm
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Zoom wrote:
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year. Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the...
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year.

Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.

If the race is an AMA sanctioned event the points will count towards the riders RPV (Rider Point Value). If it's not part of a particular series it will not count towards that series points standings.

Hopefully that helps.
motogrady wrote:
Can a track hold both AMA and non AMA events?
aeffertz wrote:
His post literally says

''Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.''
But his post does not say if a track holds Outlaw events on one weekend the AMA will grant a race under them the following week.

There are what are known as Outlaw tracks.

MX900 clarified what was a grey area for me. Kinda.
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calling a non ama track or event "outlaw" is a ridiculous name, who the fuck came up with that.
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steve_97060 wrote:
calling a non ama track or event "outlaw" is a ridiculous name, who the fuck came up with that.
Fucking guys that were racing bikes long before you were born.
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steve_97060 wrote:
calling a non ama track or event "outlaw" is a ridiculous name, who the fuck came up with that.
motogrady wrote:
Fucking guys that were racing bikes long before you were born.
yeah i kind of doubt that.
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motogrady 6/9/2019 9:21pm
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steve_97060 wrote:
calling a non ama track or event "outlaw" is a ridiculous name, who the fuck came up with that.
motogrady wrote:
Fucking guys that were racing bikes long before you were born.
steve_97060 wrote:
yeah i kind of doubt that.
Well if you're not, you weren't in it then.

Up until the 70s, if you were AMA Pro, and you got caught riding an outlaw event, they, the AMA would yank your Pro license.

Literally.
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motogrady wrote:
But his post does not say if a track holds Outlaw events on one weekend the AMA will grant a race under them the following week...
But his post does not say if a track holds Outlaw events on one weekend the AMA will grant a race under them the following week.

There are what are known as Outlaw tracks.

MX900 clarified what was a grey area for me. Kinda.
some tracks absolutely run a mix of ama and non ama sanctioned events, if that's what you are asking.
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motogrady wrote:
But his post does not say if a track holds Outlaw events on one weekend the AMA will grant a race under them the following week...
But his post does not say if a track holds Outlaw events on one weekend the AMA will grant a race under them the following week.

There are what are known as Outlaw tracks.

MX900 clarified what was a grey area for me. Kinda.
AngryBear wrote:
some tracks absolutely run a mix of ama and non ama sanctioned events, if that's what you are asking.
Ya. Captmoto set me straight on that one.
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As long as you dont run it the same weekend as Pala your fine!
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Local track in WI does that. Has a Friday night series that you don't have to even have AMA card to race. They also hold around 3 District point races a year on weekend days.
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Are you sure this doesnt have to do with ama insurance? Who would be insuring the event?
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I think the misunderstanding here is can a track have a AMA race and not be a district race and the answer is yes.
The districts do not decide who can or can not have a AMA event. They are two separate things.
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dickjackson170 6/10/2019 7:21am
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Lol. Motogrady posted all the contact information for the AMA, yet everyone continues to argue based on speculation. Pick up the damn phone and call the AMA and whatever track you're looking to utilize.
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Erek_Kudla 6/11/2019 8:57am
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dickjackson170 wrote:
Lol. Motogrady posted all the contact information for the AMA, yet everyone continues to argue based on speculation. Pick up the damn phone and call the...
Lol. Motogrady posted all the contact information for the AMA, yet everyone continues to argue based on speculation. Pick up the damn phone and call the AMA and whatever track you're looking to utilize.
This...

Call 614-856-1900 ext 1239 to speak with Alex Hunter, AMA Motocross Manager. (or email ahunter@ama-cycle.org) He'll answer all your questions.

The name "outlaw" event came from the 60's and 70's where one person randomly said it and then everyone just ran with it and it stuck. Same with the saying "1%er". There's no specific quote but people ran with it.

mattyhamz2 6/11/2019 9:09am
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steve_97060 wrote:
calling a non ama track or event "outlaw" is a ridiculous name, who the fuck came up with that.
Thought that was a well known term.
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motogrady 6/11/2019 10:17am
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Erek_Kudla wrote:
This... Call 614-856-1900 ext 1239 to speak with Alex Hunter, AMA Motocross Manager. (or email ahunter@ama-cycle.org) He'll answer all your questions. The name "outlaw" event came...
This...

Call 614-856-1900 ext 1239 to speak with Alex Hunter, AMA Motocross Manager. (or email ahunter@ama-cycle.org) He'll answer all your questions.

The name "outlaw" event came from the 60's and 70's where one person randomly said it and then everyone just ran with it and it stuck. Same with the saying "1%er". There's no specific quote but people ran with it.

And the term 1%er?

I always heard it was the head of the AMA, or HD, at the time, coined it in a speech on the virtues of motorcycling. Saying that by and large, most that rode were normal, law abiding moral citizens.

It was only a fraction that rode, about 1%, that were
truly outlaw types. Kinda like the rap 338 carries in the motocross world.

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dickjackson170 wrote:
Lol. Motogrady posted all the contact information for the AMA, yet everyone continues to argue based on speculation. Pick up the damn phone and call the...
Lol. Motogrady posted all the contact information for the AMA, yet everyone continues to argue based on speculation. Pick up the damn phone and call the AMA and whatever track you're looking to utilize.
Meh,

We are talking about the ama, an organization that for years sent cease and disist notices to tracks that used "supercross" in their advertising and replace it with "stadium style motocross" only for it to be discovered that they didn't even have a right to do so.
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A Sanctioned event is one that you pay for a sanction for. Your track does not have to run AMA event sanction if you don't want the AMA involved. And when you do sanction it you best follow AMA rules.
Helen America's favorite track only runs an AMA sanction when we have AMA events of their own. Nut District 37 has to get their own for any of the Big 6 races and other sanctioned district events.
Unless the AMA owns the track you can pretty much do what you want until you hold an AMA event.
Derek Harris 6/11/2019 6:26pm
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Zoom wrote:
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year. Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the...
I was an AMA charter promoter for 12 years. Sold my series last year.

Tracks can hold AMA or non AMA races. It's up to the track. Some will some won't.

If the race is an AMA sanctioned event the points will count towards the riders RPV (Rider Point Value). If it's not part of a particular series it will not count towards that series points standings.

Hopefully that helps.
Matthew_Craig wrote:
Do you know where we can find this info in writing? Officially? Can we hold this as a motocross event and call it that? As it...
Do you know where we can find this info in writing? Officially?

Can we hold this as a motocross event and call it that? As it was explained to us by the track owners is the district explained to them that any "motocross" labeled event would have to be scored and tracked as that and included into district scoring. This not being allowed obviously cause of scheduling and other reasons. Which is understandable. We would just like this to be a mini series or something that has nothing to do with our district points and series thus not effecting any scheduling or anything else pertaining to the district.

There are no other events within the district that is point accumulating other than weekends. Were not trying to interfere or step on any toes when it pertains to that. That track owners will still hold there regularly scheduled district sanctioned events and they will never cross nor interfere.

Thanks for reply.
That official.

You as a track can run any event you want

To be ama sanctioned event - the track has to be fenced and meet some stds. But the EVENT of an AMA santioned TRACK - does not need to be an ama sanctioned event

Here in texas - more and more tracks are going away from ama sanctioning. It offers practically nothing for the tracks and adds a cost to local racers who dont hold ama cards.

AMA sanctioned events do get insurance of some sort from ama - but I don't know all those details
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Erek_Kudla wrote:
This... Call 614-856-1900 ext 1239 to speak with Alex Hunter, AMA Motocross Manager. (or email ahunter@ama-cycle.org) He'll answer all your questions. The name "outlaw" event came...
This...

Call 614-856-1900 ext 1239 to speak with Alex Hunter, AMA Motocross Manager. (or email ahunter@ama-cycle.org) He'll answer all your questions.

The name "outlaw" event came from the 60's and 70's where one person randomly said it and then everyone just ran with it and it stuck. Same with the saying "1%er". There's no specific quote but people ran with it.

motogrady wrote:
And the term 1%er? I always heard it was the head of the AMA, or HD, at the time, coined it in a speech on the...
And the term 1%er?

I always heard it was the head of the AMA, or HD, at the time, coined it in a speech on the virtues of motorcycling. Saying that by and large, most that rode were normal, law abiding moral citizens.

It was only a fraction that rode, about 1%, that were
truly outlaw types. Kinda like the rap 338 carries in the motocross world.

In my research there is no specific record of it being said by anyone however there was a paraphrase of a speech given by a representative of the AMA after a big incident in 1947 Hollister, CA where they reassured the public that 99% of motorcyclists are law abiding citizens, the other 1% are not. There is no television or actual article with this quote, but it is referenced as having been said in "the past" when talking about "outlaw" clubs.

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Erek_Kudla wrote:
This... Call 614-856-1900 ext 1239 to speak with Alex Hunter, AMA Motocross Manager. (or email ahunter@ama-cycle.org) He'll answer all your questions. The name "outlaw" event came...
This...

Call 614-856-1900 ext 1239 to speak with Alex Hunter, AMA Motocross Manager. (or email ahunter@ama-cycle.org) He'll answer all your questions.

The name "outlaw" event came from the 60's and 70's where one person randomly said it and then everyone just ran with it and it stuck. Same with the saying "1%er". There's no specific quote but people ran with it.

motogrady wrote:
And the term 1%er? I always heard it was the head of the AMA, or HD, at the time, coined it in a speech on the...
And the term 1%er?

I always heard it was the head of the AMA, or HD, at the time, coined it in a speech on the virtues of motorcycling. Saying that by and large, most that rode were normal, law abiding moral citizens.

It was only a fraction that rode, about 1%, that were
truly outlaw types. Kinda like the rap 338 carries in the motocross world.

Erek_Kudla wrote:
In my research there is no specific record of it being said by anyone however there was a paraphrase of a speech given by a representative...
In my research there is no specific record of it being said by anyone however there was a paraphrase of a speech given by a representative of the AMA after a big incident in 1947 Hollister, CA where they reassured the public that 99% of motorcyclists are law abiding citizens, the other 1% are not. There is no television or actual article with this quote, but it is referenced as having been said in "the past" when talking about "outlaw" clubs.

That's what I remember. I vaguely recall an article in the old Cycle or Cycleguide saying it was the head of HD or the AMA saying it.

And yes, it was The Hollister incident that brought it to a head. Even tho that pic of a greasy biker sprawled out on a Harley, surrounded by empty beer bottles, was said to be staged days after the event by the newspapers, that incident was in fact real and did happen.



And the movie that was loosely based on that weekend in Hollister......The Wild One.
Yep, The Godfather, when he was young, and contrary to popular belief, did not ride a Harley in it.
Look close, Marlon's on a Triumph.



https://youtu.be/dlKWlx-Yxkg
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