Tomac at Hangtown

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5/22/2019 1:34pm
seth505 wrote:
Agree to disagree. If racing the same bike raced last year at Des Nations and it is still not "developed" then I think there is a...
Agree to disagree. If racing the same bike raced last year at Des Nations and it is still not "developed" then I think there is a problem.

That said, maybe he was just playing it safe. He did win the 2nd moto so there can't be many bike issues.
Basically if he wins, all is well.... but if does anything BUT win, better pull out the book of excuses starting with "oh hes still adjusting to the new bike... oh its the setup, hes not used to the setup... he needs more testing."

It's just getting a bit ridiculous.

Especially when he came out and completely looked phenomenal at the monster energy cup... absolutely flying.... and then comes the supercross season and the excuses start flying "oh hes not used to the bike" "oh, hes fighting the setup" "oh its mike williamsons fault"

Its everyone and everythings fault, except for tomac.
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5/22/2019 1:36pm
early wrote:
All the rain leading up to the race made the track look a bit different than other years even if it was a dry race. He...
All the rain leading up to the race made the track look a bit different than other years even if it was a dry race. He had a not great Moto, it happens sometimes especially with him.
Mxracer6y wrote:
Some people come up with the craziest of excuses. Just stop. Please for the love of god stop. EVERYONE IS RACING THE SAME TRACK. If you...
Some people come up with the craziest of excuses. Just stop. Please for the love of god stop.

EVERYONE IS RACING THE SAME TRACK.

If you can't adapt to different conditions, than you aren't the best guy. PERIOD.

Its the same shit i heard during the MXoN. STOP MAKING EXCUSES. EVERYONE HAS TO RACE THE SAME TRACK.
Wow. I don't see anyone making excuses, I see people discussing Eli's performance. He doesn't look to be as good as others in those conditions. How can that be construed as an excuse?
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5/22/2019 1:40pm
early wrote:
All the rain leading up to the race made the track look a bit different than other years even if it was a dry race. He...
All the rain leading up to the race made the track look a bit different than other years even if it was a dry race. He had a not great Moto, it happens sometimes especially with him.
Mxracer6y wrote:
Some people come up with the craziest of excuses. Just stop. Please for the love of god stop. EVERYONE IS RACING THE SAME TRACK. If you...
Some people come up with the craziest of excuses. Just stop. Please for the love of god stop.

EVERYONE IS RACING THE SAME TRACK.

If you can't adapt to different conditions, than you aren't the best guy. PERIOD.

Its the same shit i heard during the MXoN. STOP MAKING EXCUSES. EVERYONE HAS TO RACE THE SAME TRACK.
What excuse? I literally said sometimes he has bad races. The track comment was just to point out that everyone was facing conditions different than previous years.
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5/22/2019 3:57pm
I think we should just wait a few races to decide anything as we all know to well that his Beast Mode could happen at anytime!! Awesome to see Kenny back in mix as well!!
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5/22/2019 4:32pm
Enabler wrote:
I haven't seen much comment regarding Tomac's ride in the first moto at Hangtown. As most already know Tomac usually dominates at Hangtown, this was far...
I haven't seen much comment regarding Tomac's ride in the first moto at Hangtown. As most already know Tomac usually dominates at Hangtown, this was far from that. Not being able to run the pace of Roczen, Webb, or Anderson in the dry is surprising.

Makes me believe he isn't yet comfortable with his 2019 bike in the great outdoors.It's going to be interesting to see how things progress and if he will find the speed to run with the 3 previously mentioned.

Ya I know he got second overall but to Tomac's standards at Hangtown that was actually underperforming.
It was not dry during the first motor at Hangtown, the track was wet and with 15 left, lite rain came. With that said, Roczen was flying. Happy for Ken.
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5/22/2019 5:22pm
seth505 wrote:
Agree to disagree. If racing the same bike raced last year at Des Nations and it is still not "developed" then I think there is a...
Agree to disagree. If racing the same bike raced last year at Des Nations and it is still not "developed" then I think there is a problem.

That said, maybe he was just playing it safe. He did win the 2nd moto so there can't be many bike issues.
Mxracer6y wrote:
Basically if he wins, all is well.... but if does anything BUT win, better pull out the book of excuses starting with "oh hes still adjusting...
Basically if he wins, all is well.... but if does anything BUT win, better pull out the book of excuses starting with "oh hes still adjusting to the new bike... oh its the setup, hes not used to the setup... he needs more testing."

It's just getting a bit ridiculous.

Especially when he came out and completely looked phenomenal at the monster energy cup... absolutely flying.... and then comes the supercross season and the excuses start flying "oh hes not used to the bike" "oh, hes fighting the setup" "oh its mike williamsons fault"

Its everyone and everythings fault, except for tomac.
Monster Energy Cup really isn’t the typical supercross track.

Tomac has taken responsibility for himself when he doesn’t have good rides.
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5/22/2019 6:24pm
Dust601 wrote:
2nd overall, and someone starts a post asking what’s wrong with him. You people are ridiculous. I can think of 38 riders who’d love to get...
2nd overall, and someone starts a post asking what’s wrong with him. You people are ridiculous. I can think of 38 riders who’d love to get the overall results he got after he apparently “dropped an Anchor”
Feeds into what all the retired greats talk about. The pressure to win... always. Dude went 4-1 and people ask what’s wrong. These same idiots will call tomac an idiot when he crashes out by mid season trying to go 1-1 every race. It’s called managing a title and taking it when you Feel it and being consistent when you don’t
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5/22/2019 6:52pm
ET3 is like Stew with less titles, “3rd, what happened”?

He seems to having a bit more fun. Got some of that Monster money.

Dude is awesome, love watching his ham fisted beast ripping.
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5/22/2019 7:00pm
Enabler wrote:
I haven't seen much comment regarding Tomac's ride in the first moto at Hangtown. As most already know Tomac usually dominates at Hangtown, this was far...
I haven't seen much comment regarding Tomac's ride in the first moto at Hangtown. As most already know Tomac usually dominates at Hangtown, this was far from that. Not being able to run the pace of Roczen, Webb, or Anderson in the dry is surprising.

Makes me believe he isn't yet comfortable with his 2019 bike in the great outdoors.It's going to be interesting to see how things progress and if he will find the speed to run with the 3 previously mentioned.

Ya I know he got second overall but to Tomac's standards at Hangtown that was actually underperforming.
Roczen won Hangtown in 13,14,16 and 19 now. Not being able to keep with Roczen should not be to crazy. Been awhile since Roczen has been on point. Yes Tomac killed everyone in one of the motos In 2015 and won his very first race there but the argument could be made that Hangtown is Roczens track.
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5/22/2019 7:32pm
My 2 cents.

I wondered how his bike would react in outdoor. I saw that she reacted like a bull in a rodeo in moto 1.

The difference with the Honda HRC was clear to me.

It's a complete new bike. Need more testing for outdoor but he have no time because Roczen and his Honda HRC are dialed in.

Pala should be interesting.


5/22/2019 7:44pm
Moto 1 - Got a bad start, moved forward then faded a little. Not sure why. His fastest lap time was competitive with Webb, Anderson, et al except Roczen. Nobody could touch Ken in Moto 1, not even close. But Eli was right there with the others in terms of best lap time.

Moto 2 - dominating win in bad conditions (granted Ken had the overall and managed the race to take second and the win).

Eli - 2nd on the day

Can't win the championship at Hangtown, but you can lose it if you mess up. Not sure why this is worthy of too much discussion.
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5/22/2019 8:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/22/2019 8:13pm
Villo2fan wrote:
Feeds into what all the retired greats talk about. The pressure to win... always. Dude went 4-1 and people ask what’s wrong. These same idiots will...
Feeds into what all the retired greats talk about. The pressure to win... always. Dude went 4-1 and people ask what’s wrong. These same idiots will call tomac an idiot when he crashes out by mid season trying to go 1-1 every race. It’s called managing a title and taking it when you Feel it and being consistent when you don’t
You are right. Lance Armstrong said something along those lines, you win by going fast when you feel good. You lose by trying to go fast when you don't feel good.
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5/22/2019 8:27pm
I know this may be deep and difficult to comprehend - but I think the other guys were going faster than him. KROC is no joke. When Eli doesn’t wax everyone by 30s it’s a fn disaster apparently.
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5/23/2019 3:57pm
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Roczen won Hangtown in 13,14,16 and 19 now. Not being able to keep with Roczen should not be to crazy. Been awhile since Roczen has been...
Roczen won Hangtown in 13,14,16 and 19 now. Not being able to keep with Roczen should not be to crazy. Been awhile since Roczen has been on point. Yes Tomac killed everyone in one of the motos In 2015 and won his very first race there but the argument could be made that Hangtown is Roczens track.
Tomac absolutely destroyed everyone in BOTH motos in 2015 by a large margin.
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yz133rider wrote:
Some of you are dense. The 19 is ground up brand new engine and chassis. Zero settings translated from the 18. In 2020 itll have minor...
Some of you are dense. The 19 is ground up brand new engine and chassis. Zero settings translated from the 18. In 2020 itll have minor changes if any. All/most of the settings will carry over in 2020. First outdoor national was last week besides the mxon which was muddy and a wash essentially for settings.

Its still being developed. Goodness.
Mxracer6y wrote:
Do you think they dont test during the week???
yz133rider wrote:
Dense.
So they bring out the 2019 in 2018
Tomac test it and likes it decides to run it MXON. Runs very bad there it’s the bike, him and savatagy finish 1,2 at the MEC a week later and beats all the other works bikes. Does the SX season and one week he struggles the next he wins easy including Daytona which is more outdoors looking than hardpack jumpity jump SX. In the meantime Savatgy is running good and is the rookie of the year. Get to outdoors he has a mediocre 1st Moto and dominates a muddy 2nd Moto just like the way he did in the 2018 bike.
Your saying I’m dense because I reckon if they know what there doing they should have the thing sorted by now and you are saying the it’s a completely different bike than the 18 one but similar to the fourth coming 2020 bike and that will be better.
Wow
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5/23/2019 4:54pm
I think the 2 blown out shoulders made Tomac a more calculated rider at times.
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Stewart talks in his 3rd video about the whole "why didn't you win deal" and the pressure and expectation to win and how much he doesn't miss it... And here we all are saying the same things about Eli.

However, I also agree with what Stew said in part 1 about how Eli should be dominating everything, but at the end of the day, as amazing as he has shown he can be, he's also human too. He finished 4th (not 10th or 14th) in moto 1, absolutely crushed moto 2, and its still not good enough for the the fans. I'm not excluded from this group either, I also wonder at times, but I think we all need a little reality check sometimes.
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Yeah because dominating the first 3 rounds with +30 seconds helped him those years to get the title right? He's smart enough now to know that you have the finish the series to be a champ. You guys are ridiculous
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Mxracer6y wrote:
Do you think they dont test during the week???
yz133rider wrote:
Dense.
teamddr wrote:
So they bring out the 2019 in 2018 Tomac test it and likes it decides to run it MXON. Runs very bad there it’s the bike...
So they bring out the 2019 in 2018
Tomac test it and likes it decides to run it MXON. Runs very bad there it’s the bike, him and savatagy finish 1,2 at the MEC a week later and beats all the other works bikes. Does the SX season and one week he struggles the next he wins easy including Daytona which is more outdoors looking than hardpack jumpity jump SX. In the meantime Savatgy is running good and is the rookie of the year. Get to outdoors he has a mediocre 1st Moto and dominates a muddy 2nd Moto just like the way he did in the 2018 bike.
Your saying I’m dense because I reckon if they know what there doing they should have the thing sorted by now and you are saying the it’s a completely different bike than the 18 one but similar to the fourth coming 2020 bike and that will be better.
Wow
They have basically done no testing until last week's of sx for outdoor. Tomac has said himself the bike is not ready for outdoors, did you watch mxon was his answer to when Blair asked if the bike setup was ready for outdoors now.

Sx is not the same as MX. Osborne and Roczen for their bikes dialed for sx end of the season. Tomac is not unique in that sense.

Tomac in first race is exactly how he behaves when he is not comfortable on the bike.

If you listen to the press conference before the race, I think there was not one rider 250 and 450 that did not talk about setting up the bike and how important it is and that they don't know where they are until the first race.

There are no tracks to setup a bike for like a national track on race day.
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5/24/2019 7:17am
It was the first race of the season. Doesn't really mean a whole lot in the overall picture of the season. It's like A1, tons of hype, nerves, new set up's, bugs that need worked out, track conditions to get use to riding again, etc.....

You have to take round 1 with a grain of salt. Kind of like Barcia winning A1.....

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