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AussieParaMX 4/21/2019 8:31pm
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Helda wrote:
Sure let's wait until someone goes bling then implement it, sounds like a great idea.????
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and...
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and needs to be addressed.

Now guys will just avoid tossing their goggles all together rather than lose 10 seconds. It's fucking stupid and pointless.
Please sir dont make motocross safer, even if it literally has zero negatives except making it safer

And to say, they wont toss their goggles because they will be forced to lose 10 seconds... they were losing 30 seconds at many races already...

This is safe, good for the sport, and good for TV also. Bravo and will likely be implemented in many places all over the world.

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We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid. And that's only used in dire circumstances. MXGP also has a chest protector rule.
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dutch_rider 4/22/2019 12:04am
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CivBars wrote:
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid...
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid. And that's only used in dire circumstances. MXGP also has a chest protector rule.
Maybe because the bikes , tracks and riders going faster almost each year. And safety first.

And there is a HUGE difference if you get roosted from a 450 factory bike from this year than a 1980 model.
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Dirty Points 4/22/2019 12:10am
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Great idea right up to the point they make it mandatory to pull into the goggle lane if you take off your goggle. What if there...
Great idea right up to the point they make it mandatory to pull into the goggle lane if you take off your goggle. What if there is a close race going on and rider B has no choice but to discard his goggles?
He presses his sloppy sleeve against his goopy goggles and just keeps attacking unless he thinks he can gain an advantage through the goggle section.. More drama and more racecraft.
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CivBars wrote:
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid...
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid. And that's only used in dire circumstances. MXGP also has a chest protector rule.
We also used to draw on stone walls and hunt our food with spears
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Helda wrote:
Sure let's wait until someone goes bling then implement it, sounds like a great idea.????
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and...
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and needs to be addressed.

Now guys will just avoid tossing their goggles all together rather than lose 10 seconds. It's fucking stupid and pointless.
CivBars wrote:
I don't know of anytime anyone has started a race with no goggles. Taking them off should be a very last resort. If this isn't implemented...
I don't know of anytime anyone has started a race with no goggles. Taking them off should be a very last resort. If this isn't implemented for professionals, I'd at least like to see an effort made for amateurs. Maybe it tests well and it carries over?
Sorry, let me rephrase... guys have been taking their goggles off during races since, quite literally, forever.

Addressing a problem that never existed in the first place is completely asinine. Unless someone can produce a list of professional (or amateur) motocross athletes who have gone blind in the last 50 years from removing their goggles during a race, I will continue to assert this is an asinine and pointless change to MXGP.
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chuckdavies 4/22/2019 8:51am
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I'm more surprised that it's 2019 and top pro riders are still losing races/championships because they had to remove their goggles during a mudder.

A rethink of helmet/visor/goggle combo needed? I don't know but there has to be some better technology coming over the next few years, you'd hope?
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CivBars wrote:
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid...
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid. And that's only used in dire circumstances. MXGP also has a chest protector rule.
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Maybe because the bikes , tracks and riders going faster almost each year. And safety first. And there is a HUGE difference if you get roosted...
Maybe because the bikes , tracks and riders going faster almost each year. And safety first.

And there is a HUGE difference if you get roosted from a 450 factory bike from this year than a 1980 model.
Now we're getting some traction...
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Airick 4/22/2019 9:27am
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Seems like an opportunity for sponsors to get some t.v. time, not that its a bad thing. Could be a win win if the racers want it.
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chuckdavies wrote:
I'm more surprised that it's 2019 and top pro riders are still losing races/championships because they had to remove their goggles during a mudder. A rethink...
I'm more surprised that it's 2019 and top pro riders are still losing races/championships because they had to remove their goggles during a mudder.

A rethink of helmet/visor/goggle combo needed? I don't know but there has to be some better technology coming over the next few years, you'd hope?
Guys can finish a 3 hour GNCC mudfest with roll-offs no problem. I don't see why motocross racers can't do the same.
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CivBars 4/22/2019 9:29am
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CivBars wrote:
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid...
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid. And that's only used in dire circumstances. MXGP also has a chest protector rule.
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We also used to draw on stone walls and hunt our food with spears
Hahaha yeah! If this comment is being misunderstood, let me clarify. I'm FOR the goggle lane.
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Ray_MXS 4/22/2019 9:37am
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Sorry, let me rephrase... guys have been taking their goggles off during races since, quite literally, forever. Addressing a problem that never existed in the first...
Sorry, let me rephrase... guys have been taking their goggles off during races since, quite literally, forever.

Addressing a problem that never existed in the first place is completely asinine. Unless someone can produce a list of professional (or amateur) motocross athletes who have gone blind in the last 50 years from removing their goggles during a race, I will continue to assert this is an asinine and pointless change to MXGP.
So you aren't making the connection that keeping the goggles on instead of throwing them off lessens the chance of possible injury to the eyes and/or face?

Wow...
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Jeremy Macbeth 4/22/2019 2:05pm
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Ray_MXS wrote:
So you aren't making the connection that keeping the goggles on instead of throwing them off lessens the chance of possible injury to the eyes and/or...
So you aren't making the connection that keeping the goggles on instead of throwing them off lessens the chance of possible injury to the eyes and/or face?

Wow...
If there were more notable incidents, beyond the only one described earlier in this thread, I would understand the connection between a policy and a problem. For now, I'm only seeing a policy that is addressing a "possible" problem.

Life is full of possibilities but I'm more interested in addressing problems, which it doesn't appear motocross has, when it comes to eye injury.

Here's a better solution:
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Leave Us To 4/22/2019 7:39pm
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USA wrote:
Just to make sure I have this right: -MXGP now has a goggle lane so that riders can stop to get expedited goggle replacement. -it is...
Just to make sure I have this right:

-MXGP now has a goggle lane so that riders can stop to get expedited goggle replacement.
-it is not required for riders to stop if they choose to toss their goggles.
-it may be required next year, or in the coming years, to stop and replace goggles if the rider chooses to toss the pair they started with.

That just makes too much damn sense. Not much controversy here but I hope we start doing this in MX.
craigathan404 wrote:
It really makes way too much sense. Although weve been riding without goggles during mud races for decades, I’ve always thought it was kinda dangerous. It...
It really makes way too much sense. Although weve been riding without goggles during mud races for decades, I’ve always thought it was kinda dangerous. It only takes one rock to the eye kicked up from a 450 and then you are blind. I’m glad this is being implemented.
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We all saw what happened at the last MXoN
Eye injuries have actually determined the outcome of the last two MXoNs.
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CivBars 5/16/2019 9:31pm
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Anyone know how the Goggle Lane has been working out in MXGP? Photo is from Pit Bits. There are a few more relevant ones in there too.

2019 MXGP Lombardia Pit Bits

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aees 5/17/2019 12:43am
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CivBars wrote:
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid...
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid. And that's only used in dire circumstances. MXGP also has a chest protector rule.
Let's go back to cars without seat belt also, and no airbags. We used to have it so it must have work...
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and...
Guys have been racing without goggles since, quite literally, forever. There was one incident in recent years. All of the sudden it's a major issue and needs to be addressed.

Now guys will just avoid tossing their goggles all together rather than lose 10 seconds. It's fucking stupid and pointless.
CivBars wrote:
I don't know of anytime anyone has started a race with no goggles. Taking them off should be a very last resort. If this isn't implemented...
I don't know of anytime anyone has started a race with no goggles. Taking them off should be a very last resort. If this isn't implemented for professionals, I'd at least like to see an effort made for amateurs. Maybe it tests well and it carries over?
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Sorry, let me rephrase... guys have been taking their goggles off during races since, quite literally, forever. Addressing a problem that never existed in the first...
Sorry, let me rephrase... guys have been taking their goggles off during races since, quite literally, forever.

Addressing a problem that never existed in the first place is completely asinine. Unless someone can produce a list of professional (or amateur) motocross athletes who have gone blind in the last 50 years from removing their goggles during a race, I will continue to assert this is an asinine and pointless change to MXGP.
Bagget almost lost his eye with goggle's on, vlaanderen to. Plenty of people I know on local level have had so much shit in their eyes coming in they had to go to hospital to clean it out.

Let's stop all development until something bad happens, several times. Classic old time thinking.
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aees 5/17/2019 12:53am
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chuckdavies wrote:
I'm more surprised that it's 2019 and top pro riders are still losing races/championships because they had to remove their goggles during a mudder. A rethink...
I'm more surprised that it's 2019 and top pro riders are still losing races/championships because they had to remove their goggles during a mudder.

A rethink of helmet/visor/goggle combo needed? I don't know but there has to be some better technology coming over the next few years, you'd hope?
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Guys can finish a 3 hour GNCC mudfest with roll-offs no problem. I don't see why motocross racers can't do the same.
Because most of the time in GNCC 3h race you are not getting shit thrown at you from other rider right in front of you.
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CalimeroFan 5/17/2019 4:38am
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I think it is a pretty good idea actually. Even now you see riders stop during races to get a new goggle. Making it easier and faster to change wil make it better (and safer) for the riders.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/17/2019 7:44am
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CalimeroFan wrote:
I think it is a pretty good idea actually. Even now you see riders stop during races to get a new goggle. Making it easier and...
I think it is a pretty good idea actually. Even now you see riders stop during races to get a new goggle. Making it easier and faster to change wil make it better (and safer) for the riders.
I agree but I would go as far as the riders have to come in on that lap if they toss the goggles. How that would be policed I don’t know.
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It’s pretty easy to work it out. Make sure that the goggle lane is a shortcut and costs maybe just 2-3 seconds. that way there is no real time penalty for being safe and changing goggles. If they could implement it without it being a disadvantage to take the time to change goggles it wouldn’t have to be obligatory. The riders would just do it because it’s the best way for them to be safe.
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Ranman68 5/17/2019 8:16am
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I think this is an excellent idea. If a rider loses a full minute changing goggles, he's far more likely to risk injury to his eyes by tossing them or injury to his body by riding with dirty goggles and poor vision.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/17/2019 8:37am
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Ranman68 wrote:
I think this is an excellent idea. If a rider loses a full minute changing goggles, he's far more likely to risk injury to his eyes...
I think this is an excellent idea. If a rider loses a full minute changing goggles, he's far more likely to risk injury to his eyes by tossing them or injury to his body by riding with dirty goggles and poor vision.
Didn’t Gajser crash in the 2nd moto because he couldn’t see through his goggles? I believe Malin mentioned it.
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Ranman68 5/17/2019 9:21am
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I think this is an excellent idea. If a rider loses a full minute changing goggles, he's far more likely to risk injury to his eyes...
I think this is an excellent idea. If a rider loses a full minute changing goggles, he's far more likely to risk injury to his eyes by tossing them or injury to his body by riding with dirty goggles and poor vision.
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Didn’t Gajser crash in the 2nd moto because he couldn’t see through his goggles? I believe Malin mentioned it.
I can't say I know one way or another. I only watched the highlights, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are no telling how many crashes are linked in some way to inadequate vision. I raced motocross many years, and I remember how much more of a problem that roost and dirty goggles were when I went up to 250 expert class from 125s in the late 80s. In a second flat, a bike in front of you could muddy up your goggles to the point where you were at 50 percent vision if you were directly behind him. This was just in the 250 class in the late 80s, and only on a local level. I can only imagine what it's like on a national level in 2019 behind a bunch of 450s. These guys are eating twice as much roost at way higher speeds and getting way higher in the air for a way longer period of time. In a mudder I don't know how they do it. I would need 400 tear offs, and I'd have to come to a complete stop most of the time to pull one. I remember watching mxon at Red Bud and wondering how anybody outside of the top 10 could see anything at all coming out of the first turn. No telling how many were literally blind, and no telling for how far before they could pull a tear off. I don't know how they do it. I would bet any amount of money that when Gasjer crashed, a big part of his goggles had mud on them and his range of vision was very small. I'd bet it was a factor. I'd bet a huge number of crashes (outdoors at least) might have been avoided had their vision been better.
Yes I fully believe Gasjers goggles were muddy as F when he crashed. I would probably struggle to navigate a bicycle down a sidewalk with whatever range of vision he had in that moto. I can imagine what it's like being on a muddy track like that with some tiny little guy like Cairoli in front of you on a 450 with a pinned throttle.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/17/2019 9:25am
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I can't say I know one way or another. I only watched the highlights, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are no telling how many crashes...
I can't say I know one way or another. I only watched the highlights, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are no telling how many crashes are linked in some way to inadequate vision. I raced motocross many years, and I remember how much more of a problem that roost and dirty goggles were when I went up to 250 expert class from 125s in the late 80s. In a second flat, a bike in front of you could muddy up your goggles to the point where you were at 50 percent vision if you were directly behind him. This was just in the 250 class in the late 80s, and only on a local level. I can only imagine what it's like on a national level in 2019 behind a bunch of 450s. These guys are eating twice as much roost at way higher speeds and getting way higher in the air for a way longer period of time. In a mudder I don't know how they do it. I would need 400 tear offs, and I'd have to come to a complete stop most of the time to pull one. I remember watching mxon at Red Bud and wondering how anybody outside of the top 10 could see anything at all coming out of the first turn. No telling how many were literally blind, and no telling for how far before they could pull a tear off. I don't know how they do it. I would bet any amount of money that when Gasjer crashed, a big part of his goggles had mud on them and his range of vision was very small. I'd bet it was a factor. I'd bet a huge number of crashes (outdoors at least) might have been avoided had their vision been better.
Yes I fully believe Gasjers goggles were muddy as F when he crashed. I would probably struggle to navigate a bicycle down a sidewalk with whatever range of vision he had in that moto. I can imagine what it's like being on a muddy track like that with some tiny little guy like Cairoli in front of you on a 450 with a pinned throttle.
When he crashed he immediately launched the goggles & Malin said he was wiping them going pass the pit area. I believe forcing the riders to wear eye protection can only be a good thing.
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CivBars 5/17/2019 9:34am
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We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid...
We used to wear open faced helmets, now we can't even start a Pro race without a Hats Off/ Helmet Eject System installed in your lid. And that's only used in dire circumstances. MXGP also has a chest protector rule.
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Let's go back to cars without seat belt also, and no airbags. We used to have it so it must have work...
And 2 strokes and carbs and kickstarters and..
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Ranman68 5/17/2019 9:38am
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I can't say I know one way or another. I only watched the highlights, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are no telling how many crashes...
I can't say I know one way or another. I only watched the highlights, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are no telling how many crashes are linked in some way to inadequate vision. I raced motocross many years, and I remember how much more of a problem that roost and dirty goggles were when I went up to 250 expert class from 125s in the late 80s. In a second flat, a bike in front of you could muddy up your goggles to the point where you were at 50 percent vision if you were directly behind him. This was just in the 250 class in the late 80s, and only on a local level. I can only imagine what it's like on a national level in 2019 behind a bunch of 450s. These guys are eating twice as much roost at way higher speeds and getting way higher in the air for a way longer period of time. In a mudder I don't know how they do it. I would need 400 tear offs, and I'd have to come to a complete stop most of the time to pull one. I remember watching mxon at Red Bud and wondering how anybody outside of the top 10 could see anything at all coming out of the first turn. No telling how many were literally blind, and no telling for how far before they could pull a tear off. I don't know how they do it. I would bet any amount of money that when Gasjer crashed, a big part of his goggles had mud on them and his range of vision was very small. I'd bet it was a factor. I'd bet a huge number of crashes (outdoors at least) might have been avoided had their vision been better.
Yes I fully believe Gasjers goggles were muddy as F when he crashed. I would probably struggle to navigate a bicycle down a sidewalk with whatever range of vision he had in that moto. I can imagine what it's like being on a muddy track like that with some tiny little guy like Cairoli in front of you on a 450 with a pinned throttle.
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When he crashed he immediately launched the goggles & Malin said he was wiping them going pass the pit area. I believe forcing the riders to...
When he crashed he immediately launched the goggles & Malin said he was wiping them going pass the pit area. I believe forcing the riders to wear eye protection can only be a good thing.
I agree. The roost behind those bikes is crazy hard and can bruise you up in nothing flat. The odds of losing an eye from it is way too high. If a rider chunks his goggles, he should not be allowed no more than a full lap to pull off and get new ones. I think the goggle Lane is an excellent idea for rider safety and for motocross in general. A rider doesn't wind up screwed because he lost half a lap from pulling in to get new goggles. That's better for fans as well. I see no down side whatsoever.
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peelout 5/17/2019 11:47am
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as someone who lost vision in one eye for almost 6 months from an eye injury that could have been avoided, i applaud this move.

i would also mention that if a rider wants to take their goggles off during a moto, it should be mandatory to go to the goggle lane before 2 laps is up. this gives the team time to get a goggle guy to the goggle lane. anyone that goes past the 2 laps without goggles would be black flagged.

eye injuries are no fuckin' joke.
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