Gino Vogliardo Sends the Fox Raceway Quad

theprizefighter 4/29/2019 11:38am
4/29/2019 11:38am Edited Date/Time 4/29/2019 11:39am
theycallmeebryan wrote:
I drew this highly detailed diagram to illustrate my position on triple vs quad..... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/29/342735/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
I drew this highly detailed diagram to illustrate my position on triple vs quad.....

I didn’t know tabletops were doubles. Double means two, not one. Math is not imaginary.
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Buzzard167 4/29/2019 11:44am
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The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out of moto, if a back of the pack C rider wants to hit some ludicrous gap let em. My mom used to rat my brother and I out to my dad if we would get too crazy with the tractor on the practice track, that shit was the WORST and I still blame her to this day for neither my brother or myself becoming factory riders.
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mattyhamz2 4/29/2019 11:48am
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Buzzard167 wrote:
The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out...
The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out of moto, if a back of the pack C rider wants to hit some ludicrous gap let em. My mom used to rat my brother and I out to my dad if we would get too crazy with the tractor on the practice track, that shit was the WORST and I still blame her to this day for neither my brother or myself becoming factory riders.
I get where you are coming from, but unfortunately we live in a sue happy culture. All it takes is that back of the pack C rider to hit it, destroy himself and turn around and sue the track for building something like this and leaving it and boom no more track. I try to keep a realistic view on these types of things and I'd hate to see someone sue and get tracks closed down because of stuff like this.
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zehn 4/29/2019 11:48am
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Buzzard167 wrote:
The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out...
The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out of moto, if a back of the pack C rider wants to hit some ludicrous gap let em. My mom used to rat my brother and I out to my dad if we would get too crazy with the tractor on the practice track, that shit was the WORST and I still blame her to this day for neither my brother or myself becoming factory riders.
You should probably work on your mommy issues
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Buzzard167 4/29/2019 11:55am
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The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out...
The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out of moto, if a back of the pack C rider wants to hit some ludicrous gap let em. My mom used to rat my brother and I out to my dad if we would get too crazy with the tractor on the practice track, that shit was the WORST and I still blame her to this day for neither my brother or myself becoming factory riders.
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You should probably work on your mommy issues
Coming to terms with trauma of this caliber is a long and arduous process my friend.
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Agent717 4/29/2019 11:57am
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It's all in how you see it. I lean toward quad but I can understand people seeing triple. The revised diagram below doesn't change speed or distance at all but one thing is for sure, the consequences would be MUCH bigger.

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motox331 4/29/2019 12:16pm
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This thread is the vital thread ever. Guy shares sick video of a kid hucking a HUGE jump and everyone argues about how uncool it is due to semantics........
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motox331 wrote:
This thread is the vital thread ever. Guy shares sick video of a kid hucking a HUGE jump and everyone argues about how uncool it is...
This thread is the vital thread ever. Guy shares sick video of a kid hucking a HUGE jump and everyone argues about how uncool it is due to semantics........
Lol I was thinking the same thing, so far we’ve got:

1. Not cool because he came in from off the track

2. Not cool because supposedly Bubba could jump it on his rocket bike that defies physics right out of the corner

3. Not cool because it’s only a “triple”

4. Not cool because someone else did it first

5. Anyone who thinks it’s a quad is entitled.

This is just fan-fucking-tastic right here, well done gentlemen and best of luck in the coming pages.
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DUDE that two stroke guy was going for it!
I was actually wondering what would happen to his ankles if he would have cased it...
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Falcon wrote:
gvog himself says "This triple won't be around forever." Just sayin'.
theycallmeebryan wrote:
There's been a never ending debate on whether landing on the backside of a table is considering 2 jumps or 1. Whatever way you look at...
There's been a never ending debate on whether landing on the backside of a table is considering 2 jumps or 1. Whatever way you look at it, its a huge jump.
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A table top jump is singular. When has anyone ever said "That is a long ass tabletop jumps" Never. If you took the 2nd and 3rd...
A table top jump is singular.
When has anyone ever said "That is a long ass tabletop jumps"

Never.

If you took the 2nd and 3rd jump out a a true quad, you now just have a huge ass double or two singles.
It is no longer a quad.

1+1=2.


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theprizefighter 4/29/2019 1:10pm
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Agent717 wrote:
It's all in how you see it. I lean toward quad but I can understand people seeing triple. The revised diagram below doesn't change speed or...

It's all in how you see it. I lean toward quad but I can understand people seeing triple. The revised diagram below doesn't change speed or distance at all but one thing is for sure, the consequences would be MUCH bigger.

Why not just fill it all in and call it a quad? There are three jumps there, not three and an imaginary one if you pretend the dirt is not there.
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Jharper 4/29/2019 1:12pm
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theycallmeebryan wrote:
I go by number of landing opportunities. I consider the top of a table top a landing spot in some cases. Looking at the diagram i...
I go by number of landing opportunities. I consider the top of a table top a landing spot in some cases.

Looking at the diagram i drew, what would you call it when a guy jumps from the first takeoff and lands on top of the table? (What i'm calling triple in the diagram). I'd say most people would call it "tripling on to the table".
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A table is one jump. "Tabletop jump" It has never been called a tabletop jumps, denoting two. Tabletop jump(S), refers to 2 jumps. Because the only...
A table is one jump. "Tabletop jump" It has never been called a tabletop jumps, denoting two.

Tabletop jump(S), refers to 2 jumps.
Because the only time you'd want to land on the top is when jumping the scenario in your diagram and coming up short.

A tabletop is not two jumps unless you cut out the middle.
Then it becomes a double.
Therefore a tabletop, by definition, is one jump. If you delete the middle section, it is now two single jumps, or one double.

But in this day an age of everyone wanting a participation trophy, a guy riding over two single jumps can tell everyone
"I jumped the double"

But really he went single, single.

Another scenario would be single, tabletop, single.

If you clear it all, you could claim "I tripled over the tabletop" Because if you did each obstacle singularly, there are 3 obstacles. Not 4.

Simple math.



I've always thought it has to do with places you CAN land.

For example you can double two singles or your can "double" a tabletop. Who says I singled that tabletop? Nobody.
You can either jump on top of it, thereby singling it, or you can clear it and therefore double it.

If you have a single, single, then table, and jump over the entire section, you are doubling the first two, tripling to land on the table like YZ125 guy did, or quadding to land on the downside of the last jump... IMHO. I truly get both sides of the argument, and don't really care because distance is all that really matters.

Anyone could quad 50' of singles and nobody would be impressed. Regardless, this jump looks pretty gnarly.
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Dirtydeeds 4/29/2019 1:31pm
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Lets settle it once and for all. If he lands on top of the table we can call it a double and a halfer. If he clears the whole mamba jamba to the downside it’ll be known as a triple.
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Agent717 4/29/2019 1:34pm
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Agent717 wrote:
It's all in how you see it. I lean toward quad but I can understand people seeing triple. The revised diagram below doesn't change speed or...

It's all in how you see it. I lean toward quad but I can understand people seeing triple. The revised diagram below doesn't change speed or distance at all but one thing is for sure, the consequences would be MUCH bigger.

theprizefighter wrote:
Why not just fill it all in and call it a quad? There are three jumps there, not three and an imaginary one if you pretend...
Why not just fill it all in and call it a quad? There are three jumps there, not three and an imaginary one if you pretend the dirt is not there.
Yeah point taken, but there are 3 takeoffs (hence triple) and 4 landings (hence quad) in the actual jump. That's why nobody can agree.
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Sooooo....let's say we have a single-single and a 75 foot long table top all in line. Let's say you clear everything. Did you just clear a cinco? Fuck no. Do you start stepping off where the jumps would have been/could have been had they not been filled in with dirt making it a table top? Fuck no.

A single has 2 sides to it. A double has 4 sides to it. A triple has 6 sides...right? A table top has 2 sides. This shit ain't rocket science. A table top is a single. Fuck...IDK, but it sounded like a good argument.
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theycallmeebryan wrote:
I drew this highly detailed diagram to illustrate my position on triple vs quad..... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/29/342735/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
I drew this highly detailed diagram to illustrate my position on triple vs quad.....

77Moto wrote:
That is 3 jumps. If you did them all separate it would be single, single, tabletop. " I tripled over the double tabletop" ^ ^ ^...
That is 3 jumps.

If you did them all separate it would be single, single, tabletop.

" I tripled over the double tabletop"

^ ^ ^ ^ is a quad.
For example, This is a Triple, Quad.

theycallmeebryan wrote:
I go by number of landing opportunities. I consider the top of a table top a landing spot in some cases. Looking at the diagram i...
I go by number of landing opportunities. I consider the top of a table top a landing spot in some cases.

Looking at the diagram i drew, what would you call it when a guy jumps from the first takeoff and lands on top of the table? (What i'm calling triple in the diagram). I'd say most people would call it "tripling on to the table".
Landing opportunity?
Downslope of 1st jump
Flat area b/w 1st & 2nd jump
Face of 2nd jump
Downslope of 2nd jump
Flat area b/w 2nd jump & tabletop
Top of tabletop
Downslope of tabletop
7 jumps ? = septuple
Your welcome Cool
theprizefighter 4/29/2019 3:49pm
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mac3-d wrote:
Landing opportunity? Downslope of 1st jump Flat area b/w 1st & 2nd jump Face of 2nd jump Downslope of 2nd jump Flat area b/w 2nd jump...
Landing opportunity?
Downslope of 1st jump
Flat area b/w 1st & 2nd jump
Face of 2nd jump
Downslope of 2nd jump
Flat area b/w 2nd jump & tabletop
Top of tabletop
Downslope of tabletop
7 jumps ? = septuple
Your welcome Cool
The landing opportunity argument holds no water. A regular table top has two possible landing opportunities, one on top and one the downside. It's not a double jump though. Anyone who thinks that is a quad probably grew up on common core math.
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SlowAndLowe 4/29/2019 4:41pm
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Agent717 wrote:
It's all in how you see it. I lean toward quad but I can understand people seeing triple. The revised diagram below doesn't change speed or...

It's all in how you see it. I lean toward quad but I can understand people seeing triple. The revised diagram below doesn't change speed or distance at all but one thing is for sure, the consequences would be MUCH bigger.

This is correct. You triple onto the tabletop, or tripled over the tabletop.

A tabletop is never a double because there is no risk factor.
Unless a site lap if you jump a single tabletop and land on top, I've gotten more air on the toilet after eating a 10 pack of tacos from taco bell.

Thw only thing being doubled is the dose of Pepto Bismol!

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BAMX 4/29/2019 4:42pm
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Buzzard167 wrote:
The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out...
The jump was still pretty cool regardless of whether or not he had to cut the track. Also we need to keep the nanny culture out of moto, if a back of the pack C rider wants to hit some ludicrous gap let em. My mom used to rat my brother and I out to my dad if we would get too crazy with the tractor on the practice track, that shit was the WORST and I still blame her to this day for neither my brother or myself becoming factory riders.
It's only a matter of time until a track gets shutdown from one of these guys ending up in chair or worse.
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shredder23 wrote:
Who gives a shit whether its a triple or quad, sending yourself into oblivion like that is gnarly. How bout a 125 going for it... View...
Who gives a shit whether its a triple or quad, sending yourself into oblivion like that is gnarly. How bout a 125 going for it...

Way cooler on the 125.
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I guess most pros are super entitled, common core idiots but if they say it’s a quad then I think they know more then some washed up vet joe.
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Im a simple man, I like big jumps. This was cool.
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Naanak wrote:
I guess most pros are super entitled, common core idiots but if they say it’s a quad then I think they know more then some washed...
I guess most pros are super entitled, common core idiots but if they say it’s a quad then I think they know more then some washed up vet joe.
They don't. The guys in the booth did.
I have 2 tabletops that are about 17 meters(about 55 feet) across with a 9 meter or so (about 30 feet) in between.

A local pro doubles over both tabletops. Nobody has every called it a quad. Not once. Simply because it is two jumps.

It won't ever be a quad unless I take out the centers.



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mac3-d wrote:
Landing opportunity? Downslope of 1st jump Flat area b/w 1st & 2nd jump Face of 2nd jump Downslope of 2nd jump Flat area b/w 2nd jump...
Landing opportunity?
Downslope of 1st jump
Flat area b/w 1st & 2nd jump
Face of 2nd jump
Downslope of 2nd jump
Flat area b/w 2nd jump & tabletop
Top of tabletop
Downslope of tabletop
7 jumps ? = septuple
Your welcome Cool
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The landing opportunity argument holds no water. A regular table top has two possible landing opportunities, one on top and one the downside. It's not a...
The landing opportunity argument holds no water. A regular table top has two possible landing opportunities, one on top and one the downside. It's not a double jump though. Anyone who thinks that is a quad probably grew up on common core math.
This^^^^^^ all day every day!
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What now?

C’mon guys, check yourself
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theprizefighter 4/29/2019 7:21pm
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brocster wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/29/342884/s1200_58597328_193A_41D0_8F8B_546C97EBFE3F.jpg[/img] What now? C’mon guys, check yourself




What now?

C’mon guys, check yourself
Exactly! By their standard, landing in the middle of the last jump can be considered a quad. Makes no sense.
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I watched him do it, full speed tuck up to the lip. It’s big, but in my book it’s a triple. He ate his crossbar pretty good the first time, props to him for sending it.
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That’s a huck. To be young and dumb again!
theycallmeebryan 4/29/2019 8:12pm
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I watched him do it, full speed tuck up to the lip. It’s big, but in my book it’s a triple. He ate his crossbar pretty...
I watched him do it, full speed tuck up to the lip. It’s big, but in my book it’s a triple. He ate his crossbar pretty good the first time, props to him for sending it.
Yeah he's a tough dude. Why didnt you come say hi? My Alta doesn't bite, it just flings a shit ton of roost.
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Naanak 4/29/2019 8:17pm
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77Moto wrote:
They don't. The guys in the booth did. I have 2 tabletops that are about 17 meters(about 55 feet) across with a 9 meter or so...
They don't. The guys in the booth did.
I have 2 tabletops that are about 17 meters(about 55 feet) across with a 9 meter or so (about 30 feet) in between.

A local pro doubles over both tabletops. Nobody has every called it a quad. Not once. Simply because it is two jumps.

It won't ever be a quad unless I take out the centers.



There’s countless videos on Instagram of guys jumping over a table and saying it’s a quad. I’m not talking about two tables I’m talking about the drawing theycallmebryan drew. You obviously can’t grasp that.
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